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Bravo616
01-26-2012, 09:05 PM
I made the mistake of test riding the K1600GT. It is a unbelievable ride. They seemed to have addressed all of the issues that plagued the K1300. The tranny was slightly notchy but smooth if you shift within the proper rev range. Handling does take some getting used to because of the duo lever, but I like it. The torque comes quickly and nailing it from almost anywhere will push your eyeballs back in the sockets. The seat will be swapped for a Sergeants when it comes out. The integration of the Garmin is great. Now I don't have to remove it when parked. Great wind protection, as I took my test ride in 30 degree weather. Grips and seat warmers worked great. I did not want to get off. Found out that the maintenance is not as bad as some think. Valve adjustment at the 20-24K range. 4 hours labor. After talking to the Honda reap at the New York auto show about the next ST1300 he indicated that Honda is waiting for the economy to pick up before introducing another platform. He stated that the Goldwing will get a major renovation perhaps 2014. For now Honda decided to just do a refresh. After hearing that, I ordered the BMW K1600GT with every option and accessory. For what it is worth BMW sold a record number of bike for 2011!!! I just wish there were more dealers.

John Anthony
01-26-2012, 09:41 PM
Nice! I had a chance to ride one for a half day a few months back. They are nice bikes, that's for sure.

John

970mike
01-26-2012, 09:58 PM
Nice! Enjoy your new ride and please keep us updated on your findings!

iride
01-26-2012, 10:12 PM
I sure am glad the nearest BMW shop is 355 miles away,,,, Between the new 1600 and the GS 1250 and the GS 800 I am sure I would have to come out of retirement,,,,, LOL
I really like reading about them.....
Mike

Coucours Grad
01-27-2012, 01:48 AM
I sure am glad the nearest BMW shop is 355 miles away,,,, Between the new 1600 and the GS 1250 and the GS 800 I am sure I would have to come out of retirement,,,,, LOL
I really like reading about them.....
Mike

Same way I feel about the Triumph's....


Maybe we'll win the lottery and go on a buying spree!??

Mellow
01-27-2012, 04:41 AM
Congrats on the bike! I'm sure you'll love it.

Bones
01-27-2012, 04:57 AM
Enjoy the ride. :yes:

redst05
01-27-2012, 06:00 AM
Congrats. I am sure you will love it!

dduelin
01-27-2012, 06:02 AM
Congratulations on your new ride. I know that you had been on the look for a while.

Jeff F
01-27-2012, 06:34 AM
Nice!! Congrats

Was there much wiggle room on the price? -- if I may be so bold to ask ;-)

Bravo616
01-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Thanks to all for the wishes. I will keep the ST for a while and will really hate to loose it. But I will try to sell to a family member first, that way if for whatever reason, the BMW proves to be a bust, I can return to old faithful!!!
I guess what really drove me over the edge was Honda's reluctance to provide their faithful with any sort of pathway in terms of product development. Everything is a mystery. While BMW does have it's issues, I really admire their efforts to stay in front of the pack in terms of innovation. Unfortunately, I think in their rush to be first, some of that quality control suffers. Their dealer network is severely lacking in being anyway robust. Both in Fayetteville, NC and my home state of Delaware, I have many dealers to choose from. Now my choices to go 1 in NC, 2 in MD, 1 NJ, and none in DE. When home it's Bob's in MD or Cross Country in NJ. Both are over an hour away and I'm lucky compared to some others that are hundreds of miles away. I do have a trailer so it will be a modest adjustment. To all who can I would recommend a test drive but bring willpower or a check!!!

Mellow
01-27-2012, 06:43 AM
I guess what really drove me over the edge was Honda's reluctance to provide their faithful with any sort of pathway in terms of product development. Everything is a mystery

That's nothing new... WE never know what they're up to unless THEY want US to know... which is usually at the very last minute. I can see that as both a good and bad business decision. Leaking info can come back to bite you just as badly as not leaking any info. I think it's a wash myself. Those looking for a new bike are frustrated while those not looking are content to just watch and wait.

pepollock
01-27-2012, 07:56 AM
If Honda announced today that a new ST#### will be out as a 2013 model, what would they do with all the ST1300s that are still new-in-the-crate. Sales would disappear, at least until they become orphans and some bargain-hunters snatch a few up for cheap money. Best for business to keep the new models secret, although a concept bike peaks, and gauges, interest.

Can't say Honda has been asleep lately, though. Look at the proliferation of 700cc models and a couple of VFR variants, too. Now that the BMW K16 has been in the hands of the public for a while, Honda can finish-up the design of the new ST (surely they've got one just about ready to roll?). Just don't expect to hear about it. Prematurely leaking information at Honda, and BMW, brings out the hit squad and a swim with the fishes.

pete
(Hey! Winter is half over!)

fnmag
01-27-2012, 08:11 AM
Congrats on your new BMW.

Bravo616
01-27-2012, 11:53 AM
Well I see both sides. BMW created quite a stir last year when the rumblings of their new K series can out, there were sketches, mysterious sightings etc. In their case the factory is hard pressed to keep up with the demand. There were also the rumblings of the new C-14 well prior to the release. I believe Honda could give their customers perhaps just a small bone to keep the faithful engaged. I think there are those ST's still sitting in crates because those sales were stolen by Kawasaki and BMW. In any case many parts of me will always bleed Honda red, just now other parts will bleed BMW blue!!!

Bones
01-27-2012, 02:03 PM
I believe Honda could give their customers perhaps just a small bone to keep the faithful engaged.

I wish they would, too. I seek out that bone on a regular basis with my contact at Honda, as does another member of our forum. On occasion we compare notes and neither of us finds much to be optimistic about if an ST1300 replacement is on your radar. The best information I have is that the ST, despite how many of us own one, is a bike with European roots and most of its market is in Europe. For those of you who don't follow markets, Europe is tanking economically, with Germany the exception. Until things look up there, I wouldn't count on seeing a replacement for the ST1300.

There is one thing you can count on: no one at Honda who likes his job, or hers, will divulge anything publically before Mother Honda says it's OK.

stgolfer
01-27-2012, 04:06 PM
If Honda announced today that a new ST#### will be out as a 2013 model, what would they do with all the ST1300s that are still new-in-the-crate. Sales would disappear, at least until they become orphans and some bargain-hunters snatch a few up for cheap money.

That's how I got my 2000 Goldwing SE for about 1/2 price. Everyone was waiting on the '01s to come out and the dealers were stuck with several bikes taking up valuable floor space.

Congrats on the new beemer! It sure is a pretty bike.

86Magna
01-27-2012, 05:06 PM
Bravo616 I'm with you. Every MC I have owned has been Honda. I was in Colorado Springs on our GW and saw the GTL and was taken with it. So was the wife. When I got home I went to the local dealer and test rode one. The rest is history. Took a week to sell the GW and have a blue GTL that should be delivered the end of March. Looking forward to it. Will sell the ST when it comes. It's been a great MC just desired to go from 2 to 1 in the garage. It will be only my second new MC since my 86 Magna. Can't wait.

Bravo616
01-27-2012, 06:06 PM
The good thing has BMW has done is to provide optional tip over protection. I ordered it with that also, but may still go aftermarket. That is one of many things I give to Honda and glad to see another manufacturer provide from the factory. So far with top case, alarm, and all the other crap I'm about 28K and that's with BMW military discount and dealer throw in's. I'de be at 30K without it. The retail for the top case is 1600.00, the aux lighting is 1000.00, etc. Adds up very fast, but there will be nothing to add but maybe aftermarket seat. The other thing I'de like to add is the 7 gallon fuel tank and a 300+ mile range. That's one of the reasons I didn't go with the C-14. I like to ride 300+ at a shot if I want to. I should be riding by end of March. Took ST out today, I can already see she's pissed.

barto
01-28-2012, 12:04 AM
I made the mistake of test riding the K1600GT. It is a unbelievable ride.


Hmmm, doesn't sound like a mistake to me. Congrats on the new ride - I'm sure you're gonna love it!

Bravo616
03-15-2012, 07:55 PM
"Son of Trigger" has been built and is on the way to CONUS. Will be here next week. Until then I can only stare at pictures. Took the Honda out this week. She knows she is going to share the stable.....she is NOT happy. She gives me the "one fingered" kickstand salute as I leave the garage.

Mellow
03-16-2012, 05:39 AM
It's just a bike, so is this one.. get what makes you happy until something else that will make you happy comes along...

Anxious to see pics when you get it, that white looks nice!

barto
03-16-2012, 05:52 AM
After talking to the Honda reap at the New York auto show about the next ST1300 he indicated that Honda is waiting for the economy to pick up before introducing another platform.

I ordered the BMW K1600GT with every option and accessory. For what it is worth BMW sold a record number of bike for 2011!!! I just wish there were more dealers.

Congrats on the new ride!

If this keeps up I've got a name for our next event: BMW-SToc:D

bmcdonau
03-16-2012, 08:32 PM
They'd blow them out the door at $10999 like they did the $7999 VFRs.

Colossus
03-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Congrats on the new bike. I looked at the Beemers too but chose the ST. Why? BMW wouldn't let me test drive without filling out all of the financial paperwork and running my credit and reviewing their contract. Seriously? For a test drive? They wanted everything done short of signing on the line. People Please. I went to a local Honda dealer. I walked in they told me I could test drive anything I wanted. Just a drivers license and insurance card please. I test drove 4 bikes and couldn't get over how smooth the ride was on the ST. They had a 2010 left in stock w/ ABS and I got it for $50 over invoice. They were so easy to deal with and made the buying experience pleasurable. I understand that the bikes are expensive but so are cars and I've never had to do that. Unfortunately, service and attitude also sell bikes. We're both happy with our choices so that is all that matters at this point. From what I read in the forms, I'll have this one for while before I have to go bike shopping again. :bannana

Bravo616
03-22-2012, 04:38 PM
I think it really depends on the dealer. One dealer wanted me to hold 2K on my credit card, while another handed me the keys and said "bring it back sometime today". Needless to say, I bought the bike from them. Even though the BMW is great, the ST1300 for a lot of reasons will still be the king of the road to me!! Indeed, you will be very happy with the ST. It is still the best bike I have ever owned!!

Ride Safe

Riltle
03-22-2012, 06:52 PM
I wish they would, too. I seek out that bone on a regular basis with my contact at Honda, as does another member of our forum. On occasion we compare notes and neither of us finds much to be optimistic about if an ST1300 replacement is on your radar. The best information I have is that the ST, despite how many of us own one, is a bike with European roots and most of its market is in Europe. For those of you who don't follow markets, Europe is tanking economically, with Germany the exception. Until things look up there, I wouldn't count on seeing a replacement for the ST1300.

There is one thing you can count on: no one at Honda who likes his job, or hers, will divulge anything publically before Mother Honda says it's OK.

Yes sir, for darn sure. ended up getting seduced by a R1200RT. Bled red for 20 years. If when one comes out, I will definitely take a look, in the mean time miles of smiles. All good.

BruceP
03-22-2012, 07:19 PM
I picked mine up last year. I road it off the showroom floor and by the time I got home 3 weeks later I had 14,000 on it and needed tires. 10 provences and 8 states. NO REGETS

Colossus
03-23-2012, 09:41 PM
:rofl1:

Bravo616
03-25-2012, 03:23 AM
I picked up new ride yesterday, only to leave it at dealer to install more "stuff". It will be interesting to see how the ST reacts when it has to share garage space.