View Full Version : Boiling Gasoline! Ouch!!!
Well most of you know how hot it is outside. I've decided to stop riding my bikes when the temps get over 90F. Two bikes that you won't catch me on when the temps rise above 80F are the old FJR (which I don't own any longer) and the current ST13. For anyone who is curious I now have four bikes in my garage. Ed's ST13 is the fourth.
Unfortunately, I'm now reluctant to ride the ST after spending some serious time on it last week. My trips through New Hampshire and the surrounding area convinced me... the bike has a serious and undeniable heat problem. Apparently it's also convinced more than a few others.
Actually I planned to limit my responses to the subject of HEAT until I read the post about "boiling" gasoline. I thought that it must be tongue in cheek. Then I read a response stating that someone else had experienced a similar episode. I guess the difference between me and a few of you is that I would have gotten off the bike, or not gone out in that heat.
What I find really bizzare are the number of people who defend the so named HEAT issue. Talk about "ego issues". I wonder if the people issues will also be addressed by Honda when they are forced to correct the HEAT problem.
Vlad:bow1: :)
clmixon
07-26-2006, 09:52 PM
Good lake, Bad bait......
chris:06biker:
Rob Hephner
07-26-2006, 09:54 PM
Horrible stinky bait! LOL
If I stopped riding my bike at 90 degrees I would virtually never ride. Makes me question if you really are a rider?
Polovision
07-26-2006, 10:09 PM
I'll stop riding when they prey it from my cold dead fingers.
Just kidding, I've been riding in 109 degree weather and it's hot but not boiling.
Vlad,
Your a hoot!!! :crackup
Putt...
ST1300 Alicia
07-27-2006, 12:52 AM
Came home from work tonight and it was 100 degrees. Love my ST1300, dropped the windscreen and hammered down. Just love the wind. Could have ridden for hours but have to be back at work tomorrow. I will ride again in the morning.
Either you are not riding the same bike that the rest of us are, or you need to replace it.
:trolls
Mellow
07-27-2006, 07:12 AM
Tick Tock.... Tick Tock.... :D
The boiling point of your average gasoline (it varies by region of the country and world you're in) is 82ºF/27.8ºC. Please do not ride your ST1300, FJR, or any of your other two motorcycles in temperatures above 82ºF 'lest your gasoline boils.
I suggest you fill your tanks with water instead as it has a significantly higher boiling point, and will therefore be safer.
ToroGuy
07-27-2006, 07:42 AM
I'll bet you're using that expensive hi-test gasoline. Fill'er up with that green nozzle next time. You'll save a few pennys on fuel purchase and your fuel will never boil again. It's worked great in my Kubota for years.:eek: :eek:
I have never seen a heat issue with the ST1300. It gets warm but not hot. In the same breath my last bike was a 72' Harley Superglide. Now that got "HOT". On a 90+ day it was difficult to straddle at a stop.
tdeboeser
07-27-2006, 09:01 AM
I thought I never say something like this...
Please sell your ST and get the FJR you so desperately want...
geez,
Tom de
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok. I'm better now.
Pred8tor
07-27-2006, 09:29 AM
No need to leave the Honda fold when you sell the ST... Honda makes Accords and Civics with air conditioning that will probably be more to your liking. Just stay out from under the hood. ;)
tdeboeser
07-27-2006, 11:02 AM
My .kill file don't work :mad:.... LOL
STirps
07-27-2006, 11:06 AM
:BDH: WOW. 107 mon, 104 tue, 105 wed suppose to be 103 today. I ride everyday. Even if it 19 degrees in the morning. Again I say WOW! Buy a Hardly so it can sit in the garage and be ok, wait you don't even own a ST.:rolleyes:
Mellow
07-27-2006, 11:12 AM
My .kill file don't work :mad:.... LOL
I think I have one that does..... :D
Just for the record, I don't agree with this guy on the heat problems, but, he does now own a ST13. He says he bought Ed's.
Mellow
07-27-2006, 11:34 AM
I guess my only problem is that he's saying everyone is denying a heat problem with everyone is giving their account of how much heat they see. I have no doubt that HE has an issue with the heat... Maybe it's the bike and maybe he just isn't as tolerable to it as others, maybe it's just a few bikes that have issues...
I think to ignore his concern is not a good thing but also I think he shouldn't assume everyone is trying to cover up some conspiracy for Honda. I have felt heat on the ST and it's more than I have felt on the Wing but again, I've ridden the ST in 100+ weather and it was never more uncomfortable than the Wing... except for the seat.. now the ST seat... that sucked big time for me...
Blrfl
07-27-2006, 11:34 AM
My .kill file don't work :mad:.... LOL
You're such a Unix geek.
% nc http://www.st-owners.com?get=everything | fgrep -v vlad
:)
--Mark
sherob
07-27-2006, 12:05 PM
And because one person has reported boiling gas doesn't mean everyone has that problem, is pretending it doesn't exist, trying to cover it up, or is a liar either ;)
As seen in that thread, plenty of responses on what could be wrong... and that it isn't an issue that others have really had. ;)
As I said last night in chat, my ST does not put out excessive heat, does not wobble above 120, gets more than 45 MPG on the road, it will pull the front wheel on a 1st gear throttle roll on... I feel that I am being screwed cause I am not having all these problems... Time to sell the dang thing and look around for one that does.....
Putt...
Mellow,
Maybe you could start a SOS (same ol sh*!) sub forum so the guys that want to ***** about their ST13's can do so without bothering the rest of us.
Mellow
07-27-2006, 12:44 PM
Doesn't bother me at all, if a member was having problem with his brakes would you call that bothering you? If 10 had this problem would it be bothering you? 100?.. At what point would it be the sos? Heck, the entire board could be sos except the the introductions area.
I understand the frustration.. you don't have this problem, it appears few do to the point that they would consider it a problem, so why have to read about it?
Well, just to be nice and try to help fellow members. If you don't want to see or read about the issue the post was titled appropriately so it's easy to ignore it.
Sorry, not trying to stir anything and not tryint to single you out, just trying to state that this site is a great site because people don't get flamed when then come on and post what oil to use or abs or not or is there a heat issue... they are directed to good information and not slapped in the face when the enter the door.
That's about the best response
I have... hope it helps.
All I'm saying is that the heat problem is getting a little old. Some people seem to have it and others don't. There are a few people that find the need to bring up their heat problem every chance they get. For example, (I don't remember what thread it was) but a new member was introducing himself and his ST. Someone posted his congrats on the new purchase and basiclly told him to go ride his new bike and tell everyone how hot it was. Now thats not right.
And just for the record I don't think that I'm the only one that this subject is bothering.:rolleyes:
Mellow
07-27-2006, 01:11 PM
All I'm saying is that the heat problem is getting a little old. Some people seem to have it and others don't. There are a few people that find the need to bring up their heat problem every chance they get. For example, (I don't remember what thread it was) but a new member was introducing himself and his ST. Someone posted his congrats on the new purchase and basiclly told him to go ride his new bike and tell everyone how hot it was. Now thats not right.
And just for the record I don't think that I'm the only one that this subject is bothering.:rolleyes:
I know you aren't the only one. Like I said I wasn't trying to single you out, just to answer your question/conern. Dave actually created this forum 'Known Issues/Concerns' so that the heat issue could be here and it would not only be easy to find but easy to bypass if not interested.
I think that is someone is unhappy enough with their bike that they take pot shots every chance they get... they won't last long on the site. Not that I'll remove them but they just aren't going to get the response they want and will probably leave..I think everyone here does the best they can to try to help those with concerns and to keep them from getting rid of a bike because of those concerns.
I guess I don't have a good answer... just my typical politically correct one where I take both sides and yet no side... :rolleyes:
Daryl
07-28-2006, 10:03 AM
I said mine "gurgles" on occasion in the other thread.
I think mine is venting related - NOT boiling.
ajpags
07-28-2006, 12:34 PM
All I'm saying is that the heat problem is getting a little old. Some people seem to have it and others don't. There are a few people that find the need to bring up their heat problem every chance they get. For example, (I don't remember what thread it was) but a new member was introducing himself and his ST. Someone posted his congrats on the new purchase and basiclly told him to go ride his new bike and tell everyone how hot it was. Now thats not right.
And just for the record I don't think that I'm the only one that this subject is bothering.:rolleyes:
Am I missing something here? Do you HAVE to read these posts? Is there some auto-director to these posts that I'm not aware of?
If you don't want to read the posts, read the subject line, and move on.
In the spirit of a forum, I would think that others might want to be able to see if anyone else has had a similar experience, and learn something from that experience.
Pags
Am I missing something here? Do you HAVE to read these posts? Is there some auto-director to these posts that I'm not aware of?
If you don't want to read the posts, read the subject line, and move on.
In the spirit of a forum, I would think that others might want to be able to see if anyone else has had a similar experience, and learn something from that experience.
Pags
Well they have almost 40 Threads to read thru to learn something about the heat related issue. Kind of excessive don't ya think. Why start a new one every other day. I mostly read (heat threads) for the entertainment value to see how many people can get into an argument about the subject.
sport_tourer
07-28-2006, 02:13 PM
The boiling point of your average gasoline (it varies by region of the country and world you're in) is 82ºF/27.8ºC. Please do not ride your ST1300, FJR, or any of your other two motorcycles in temperatures above 82ºF 'lest your gasoline boils.
I suggest you fill your tanks with water instead as it has a significantly higher boiling point, and will therefore be safer.
Where do u guys get your facts? The internet? Remember, Al Gore created the internet :D If the boiling point of gasoline is 82 degrees F, come over to my house, put some gasoline in a pot, set it outside when the temperature is above 82 degrees F and if it starts boiling I'll buy you the bike of your choice. If it doesnt boil, you get to drink the gasoline.
One of us is not going to feel good after this experiment!
naturally wired
07-28-2006, 02:27 PM
:p: "Who gets to light his burp"
ToroGuy
07-29-2006, 03:06 AM
One of us is not going to feel good after this experiment!
Well, the results are in:
Danny C
08-01-2006, 03:39 PM
Rode from Canada down to Monterey to attend the MotoGP at Laguna Seca two weeks ago. Hot ride all the way down............worst was around Corning, Calif. where temp guage read 43C or 118F. Was the bike hot? Of course it was but now hotter than my previous bike, a '97 Magna, would have been. I rode a total of 3400 miles round trip..........high temps most of the way and I honestly can't say that I think the ST has any greater a heat issue than I would expect from most other bikes. And......................it ran flawlessly the entire time.
And on the other often reported concern of stability...............rode 90 mph much of the way (have the ticket to prove it)...........passing many a long semi on busy highways......freeways and there were NO stability issues experienced at all. A bit of wind buffeting...........sure, but nothing to scare me. My riding buddy however, who rides a '03 ST did complain of some stability issues. I have never touched the preload on my bike since set by the dealer and it seems to hold steady with luggage loaded or not.
Needless to say I was very pleased with the way the bike performed on this, my longest ride, ever.:)
If the boiling point of gasoline is 82 degrees F, come over to my house, put some gasoline in a pot, set it outside when the temperature is above 82 degrees F and if it starts boiling I'll buy you the bike of your choice. If it doesnt boil, you get to drink the gasoline.
One of us is not going to feel good after this experiment!
I did. And it did, just like it boils in my ST1300 all the time. ;)
UNTMatt
08-04-2006, 07:27 AM
Gasoline's boiling point is kept below 437° F. Actual depends on formulation for the time of year. If you can boil gas in your tank, you've got more problems than boiling gas.
huxtablejones
08-04-2006, 08:16 AM
I thought I never say something like this...
Please sell your ST and get the FJR you so desperately want...
geez,
Tom de
If you think the ST is hot you better stay far, far away from an FJR.
JReviere
08-04-2006, 08:52 AM
Vlad:
It sounds to me as though YOU have a heat problem, not the bike. I have an 03 ST1300A.... it has none of the heat blankets, none of the 'mods' or shields against heat etc. of the later bikes. I ride it in 95°F to over 100°F weather with no "heat" issues. But then I don't have a heat problem. I suspect it's YOU who have the heat problem.
JR
STOC 394
Lake Livingston, TX
(Where it is often VERY HOT and VERY HUMID)
disco1999
08-04-2006, 08:10 PM
this is what this guy did with the heat issue on his vehicle
threexcharm
08-05-2006, 04:47 PM
If you think the ST is hot you better stay far, far away from an FJR.
Obviously you have not read about the improved heat management engineered into the 06 FJR.
Now all Yamaha has to do is produce enough units so they will be available for those that wish to buy one.
Special Order Program???? What a joke!!!! Is Yamaha getting their advice from Hardly Ableson??
Opinions vary
Joe :puk1:
sstains
05-06-2007, 10:07 AM
I love all this conversation about boiling gasoline. Isn't there at least one organic chemist who rides a 1300? Gasoline is a mixture of many differant compounds, all with their own boiling points. It also has a flash point below the temp at which water freezes, meaning it evaporates very easily and is why an open container is so dangerous. However, capturing it in an enclosed container changes everything. If you increase the air presure over a liquid you raise its boiling point. A vacum lowers the boiling point. (You can lower the boiling point of water to its freezing point.) If you go to the MSDS sheets (Material Safety Data Sheets), http://hazard.com/msds/f2/bqx/bqxms.html, many brands of gasoline are listed with a boiling point of around 87 degrees. But more importantly, who cares? Just ride.
uptoblackwood
05-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Just for the record, I don't agree with this guy on the heat problems, but, he does now own a ST13. He says he bought Ed's.
I'll buy Vlad some nice paste wax so that when he rolls the ST out of the garage it looks good and can be properly admired by others. :-)
v65saber
05-06-2007, 12:43 PM
:BDH: :BDH:
I've just cast Unstable Affliction on Vlad. That should do it.
Computer Nerd
05-15-2007, 11:23 AM
Do his bikes draw straws to see which one gets taken out?
Nooooo!! Not meeee!! Take the Harley! The Harley!! :D
bygdawg
05-15-2007, 02:30 PM
this is what this guy did with the heat issue on his vehicle
Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. :crackup :crackup :crackup
sundesj
05-15-2007, 02:38 PM
when i installed a mccruise this winter i wrapped the air box with heat reflector tape (top and bottom) this seams to help the heat problem some.
Piveteau
05-17-2007, 11:16 AM
Maybe Vlad is over casting his "Leaky Cases, Under-powered " Bait at the nearest Harley Bulletin Board....
Oh well, weather is gorgeous here in Southeast Texas, I'm gonna go boil some gasoline!!
bygdawg
05-17-2007, 06:56 PM
Boiling Gas...:crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup
grinstead
06-13-2007, 01:56 AM
G'day all.I am a newbie to the site and have joined to read information on the ST as a possible next tourer. I previously owned an FJR. Here in parts of Western Australia it gets pretty hot. There was a problem with fuel "boiling" in the FJR tank and it was apparently caused by the following : in very high temps the fuel tank would become super hot, especially the bottom of the tank. As the tank neared empty, the bottom of the tank naturally became hotter. When attempting to refuel, the first fuel to hit the tank bottom would actually eject thru the filler hole! Not funny if you had your face above said hole while refuelling!
Ask me how I know :eek:
Interestingly these bikes varied from one to the other in the amount of heat given off............strange
CZman
06-13-2007, 06:08 AM
In Georgia, at 95 degrees and almost as high humidity levels, my ST is warm, but by no means unbearable. When I feel too warm, I soak my socks in solvent so the ants don't crawl up and eat my candy bum. You need a Corolla.
UNTMatt
06-13-2007, 09:28 AM
The gas boils due to the speed of the ST exceeding the capibilities of the space time continuum. When this happens the fuel heats up to extreme levels. Although this sounds serious, it actually benfits the ST by pre-heating the fuel prior to the cylinder firing.
bygdawg
06-14-2007, 01:40 AM
:crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup :crackup
:crackup :crackup :crackup
I needed that. lol
Don-STOC237
06-14-2007, 09:22 AM
I was out riding my ST1100 yesterday, over at the lower altitudes in California, and it was really hot outside, ~100F or so in one area.
My legs, especially my left leg, got quite warm when I was going slow on some of the golf cart trails they call roads over there.
I've therefore decided that the ST1100 has a definite heat problem, in that the heat produced by cooling air coming through the radiator is way too hot, and it comes out the sides, and it touches my legs. I'm really lucky I had my Darien pants on or my legs would have been uncomfortably overheated.
I have actually experienced this phenomena many times in the past, especially in the summertime, and with several different ST1100's I've owned, so I therefore have become convinced that this is a design problem with ST1100's.
I've never seen my gas boiling, but I did hear it go "whoosh" when I opened the gas tank lid, so I know there's something wrong there too.
I am therefore and forthwith notifying Honda of America that the ST1100 has a large heat issue and I expect them to be shortly forthcoming with a remedy.
Thanks for listening.
:D
CGRedRed
06-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Here's a cool idea for reducing gas tank temperature: On my ST1300 I completely lined the underside of the tank with strips and pieces of polished gold vinyl film from the scrap bin at the sign company where I occasionally work between writing tech tips for my hobby. After a hot ride, the tank is now noticeably cooler to the touch when compared side-by-side with a friend's identical bike. Every little bit helps and I think the same film would benefit the front and lower parts of the ST1100 tank.
The gas boils due to the speed of the ST exceeding the capibilities of the space time continuum. When this happens the fuel heats up to extreme levels. Although this sounds serious, it actually benfits the ST by pre-heating the fuel prior to the cylinder firing.
I see... Sounds like more hot air to me!
Vlad
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