Heat Issue: Match Those With & Without

[Pred8tor]

This thread is for matching those who have the "heat issue" with those who don't. Hopefully we can discover if it's a personal tolerance thing, or a individual ST defect. Maybe some ST's are hotter than others - let's find out once and for all.

So - If you are willing to swap bikes for a test ride post here.

[sherob]

Houston area... I'm game... PM me ;) I have an 05, the prettiest, fastest color :D

p.s. I do not feel heat... so I don't have an issue with my bike ;)

[Putt]

Oh yea, like we can give creedence to a guy that uses a long haired hippy cat in his avatar.... :crackup

Putt..


Houston area... I'm game... PM me ;) I have an 05, the prettiest, fastest color :D

p.s. I do not feel heat... so I don't have an issue with my bike ;)

[Pred8tor]

I meant to add this to my post...

I don't feel excessive heat - I'm willing to meet anyone in the VA, NC. or SC region who would like to compare their hot ST to mine.

[Mellow]

Oh yea, like we can give creedence to a guy that uses a long haired hippy cat in his avatar.... :crackup

Putt..

He's got you there Rob... after all...he's Putt... see'er of all things...

[clmixon]

06 in lafayette, No heat issue....Had an 04, No heat issue. Willing to trade around and see. WESTOC may be the perfect place to do some temp measuring as riders come in each day, would give us a gigantic (n) to evaluate if someone had an IR thermometer at the hotel.

Temp Right side?
Temp left Side?
Total Miles?
Syn or Dino?
Model Year?
Any Mods?

Bueller?

Having said this, I also do agree that there can be significant differences between ST's. As I have said before, I do not find the 06 to be a smooth as my 04 was. I cannot quantify it, but the new bike just does not seem as overall "perfect" as my 04 did.

Maybe after I get this one over 10,000 miles it will change character, I do remember that my 04 seemed like a different bike around that point. The WESTOC, NATSTOC loop should get me close to 10K and I will re-evaluate.

Chris :04biker: ----->:06biker:

Oh Yeah, Set up a closed course and allow everybody to run up to 80MPH and see if they wobble.:rolleyes:

Check all gas tanks for boiling fluid:D

[Ken]

Western New York - I'm in.

[ajpags]

With.

Located in Bethlehem PA - can swap with anyone in NJ willing to meet in the central-ish area.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually compare two bikes, locate a problem bike and take them both to a Honda dealer for a comparison?

[Spencer]

From someone who has two '06 1300's in South Florida

Mine-no heat problem to me, regular everyday heat expected after 20+ years
and as many bikes. I only feel any heat to the lower legs, nowhere else.

Tina's- does put off a little more heat to the shin area, pipes look the same on
both bikes, both same gas-oil-etc., she does have risers and a lower seat so
my legs are closer (not touching) the fairing. But is is only noticeable in low
speed maneuvers. Have not checked the heat blanket yet. Hers also put out
some heat between the seat and the tank (why I think I need to check the
heat blanket) but some foam insulation fixed that. Don't notice any difference
on the highway. If I start them side by side, cold, both reach three bars almost simultaneously.

I just wonder what kind of bikes those with heat problems rode before, and
what is being expected out of a 1.3 L engine between your legs. I have
owned many bikes that had much worse heat management (Ducati 900SS was probably the worse one :mad: )
and some better. I love it, and you'll have to pry it from my .......yada yada yada

Spencer

[sherob]

He's got you there Rob... after all...he's Putt... see'er of all things...

I think the reason I don't feel heat is because I use Putt Paste... and the cats like it too, controls hair balls :D

[STumpy]

I think the reason I don't feel heat is because I use Putt Paste... and the cats like it too, controls hair balls :D


Putt Paste? :shock: Please DO NOT elaborate further. :eek:

[Littlejohn64]

I do not find the 06 to be a smooth as my 04 was. I cannot quantify it, but the new bike just does not seem as overall "perfect" as my 04 did.


Just one more who know what Blue :04biker: can do!!! LOL

[Littlejohn64]

I do not find the 06 to be a smooth as my 04 was. I cannot quantify it, but the new bike just does not seem as overall "perfect" as my 04 did.


Just one more who know what Blue :04biker: can do!!! LOL

[STill Fiddlin]

At WeSTOC maybe you can buy a case of Orville Redenbacker's microwave popcorn, distribute packages to everyone, put them in the left pocket, and go on a group ride. Have each rider record the time when the popcorn starts to spill out. Please report your results here :)

[NCrider]

This thread is for matching those who have the "heat issue" with those who don't. Hopefully we can discover if it's a personal tolerance thing, or a individual ST defect. Maybe some ST's are hotter than others - let's find out once and for all.

So - If you are willing to swap bikes for a test ride post here.

On our next ride remind me and I'll bring an IR themometer and we'll compare the ST's in the group.

[Jamesmx5]

Indianapolis...2003, I definitely feel the heat. I also have an '03 VRod, '04 Roadking Custom, CB 750 Nighthawk, and previously a R1150RT. The ST is by far the hottest of any of them.

Any other Indy area riders on here?

[nm6r]

...I also do agree that there can be significant differences between ST's. As I have said before, I do not find the 06 to be a smooth as my 04 was. I cannot quantify it, but the new bike just does not seem as overall "perfect" as my 04 did.


hmmmm. I knew it!

Chris, have you gapped the plugs, adjusted the counterbalancers and synched the starter valves?

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[clmixon]

Ray,

I wanted to , but the allen wrench in the 06 toolkit will not allow me to do all those things.. I tried the mysterious "wonderfoam" tool last week but all it did was slide around, I can't make it do anything!:p:

I am really looking forward to doing some adjustments after I get over 10k but since we are only a few weeks from Westoc I am in my no new farkles or major mtce period. ONly thing I will do to it until after the trip is oil changes.

Chris :04biker: ---------->:06biker:

[turbocity tom]

In So. Cal No heat problem on my 04. Come by my shop any time take a test ride.


Thanks Tom

[NormanPCN]

This thread is for matching those who have the "heat issue" with those who don't. Hopefully we can discover if it's a personal tolerance thing, or a individual ST defect. Maybe some ST's are hotter than others - let's find out once and for all.

So - If you are willing to swap bikes for a test ride post here.

Been there, done that, no bike difference. All recorded on the MSN site years ago.

[ajpags]

Care to post a link Norm?

You old timers gotta' realize that not all of us have had pre-production prototype STs since 1985. ;-)

Heck, I'd bet tons of people don't even know about the MSN site...

[AZST]

At WeSTOC maybe you can buy a case of Orville Redenbacker's microwave popcorn, distribute packages to everyone, put them in the left pocket, and go on a group ride. Have each rider record the time when the popcorn starts to spill out. Please report your results here :)

SCIENCE !!!!! :D

:popcorn

--Bryan
04ST1300A
STOC# 5197
:04biker:

[dbst1300]

I have owned two 2003 ST1300 ABS bikes and one 2004 ST1300 non-ABS bike. I ride in the hot, humid St. Louis, Mo. area and feel that the bike(s) put off a lot of intolerable heat above 80 degrees with the humidity in the area. On all three bikes, I have either removed the inner fairing liners or cut them down and life is good on the cooler ST. My current 2004 bike has the FPR/ the fairing/mirror deflectors/cut down liners and is cool enough to ride all year round. BTW, I also ride with First Gear HT overpants and Alpinestars boots virtually year round.

Dennis

[bobsblu]

Hot, but not a problem. No hotter than the 98 Valk or the 2003 GL1800

[nm6r]

:popcorn

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[Pred8tor]

Guys - I didn't intend for this to turn into yet another heat debate thread. We all know there are way too many of those as it is. :BDH: This is a attempt to determine whethet the "heat problem" is bike or rider related. Comparing "hot" and "not so hot" bikes together can probably answer the question.

Can't we find a bike/rider who has the "heat problem" in the same vicinity as a bike/rider who doesn't have the same "problem"? :confused:

[Imrubicon]

Only had my St 2 weeks .
I ride in Austin TX and today it was 103 was damm hot on a bike .The other night 86 and felt nice compared to today !

The bike is pretty hot and the fairing (with extenders ) does seem to pass the heat rght around the ankles area .
Not much worse than the 1100 shadow on a hot day .
I ride latter in the evening and early morning and it seems anything below 88 is well inside the I can take it range .
But I havent ridden many bikes with this much fairing so the naked bikes are cooler going down the but the heat is well within acceptable range during all but the hot days .
Being I just had my extened fairing put on after the first week I can say it redirected the heat in a big way .
There seems to be some extra heat when I raised the seat to a higher postion.
Being I sweat over 75 anyway I find that I just dont ride during the hot part of the day if I can help it .
I will try and break out the meat cooking gauge for next to ankle

[Raven]

I'm new here and new to the ST as well (3 weeks on a 2006 - mileage now at 3551). There's definitely more heat coming off the engine than my previous ride (2002 Shadow Aero 1100) but I think that's due to the layout versus the output. However, crossing the Mojave Desert a couple of weeks ago the combination of air temp (122+) and engine heat was enough to give me a really impressive burn on my right knee. If I'd had a chicken with me it would have been perfectly roasted just in time for supper!

If you want to do a test in AZ, I'm in.

[Mellow]

I'm new here and new to the ST as well (3 weeks on a 2006 - mileage now at 3551). There's definitely more heat coming off the engine than my previous ride (2002 Shadow Aero 1100) but I think that's due to the layout versus the output. However, crossing the Mojave Desert a couple of weeks ago the combination of air temp (122+) and engine heat was enough to give me a really impressive burn on my right knee. If I'd had a chicken with me it would have been perfectly roasted just in time for supper!

If you want to do a test in AZ, I'm in.

Just curious, did you have riding pants on or just jeans?

I did a quick ride this weekend and didn't wear my riding pants.. on the Wing, my legs were hot and all of a sudden I kept thinking about this thread, probably more mental than anything.

I don't think we'll every get this issue resolved, yeah the bike is hot... most are... some feel it more than others... some will sell their bike because of it and some won't...

Maybe someone will come up with a cool idea to reduce the impact on the rider, maybe not... we'll see.

[MilesFromNowhere]

Things could be worse.

Your bike could have a newly designed Heat Management System so utterly effective that even after several months, owners still cannot figure out how to configure the vents.

http://www.fjrforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10950

[STinner]

:a13:
i ride with the shield down no heat. shield allthe way up seems like the air forms a clould of heat around rider. '04 blue ride like the wind trigger

[AZST]

I never ride in shorts, until today. Made a run to the local pizza place for a couple of slices. Very noticable heat on shins...when I hung my feet on the rear pegs...caught alot of heat on my knees.
I really noticed the heat on my left ankle at one point on the lower peg but then realized the sun was on my left side....after a couple of miles...yeeeowwwie.

The heat is there. It never bothers me though, I believe, because I normally wear my gear.

Conditions: 3pm, indicated temp on gauge- 109, rode for approx 5 miles at about 40 mph, then 5 miles to home.

(Lunch special, 2 slices + extra topping, beverage for $4.45 :eat2:
I sent my expense report to Hamamatsu for reimbursement)

--Bryan
04ST1300A
STOC# 5197
:04biker:

[NormanPCN]

Care to post a link Norm?

You old timers gotta' realize that not all of us have had pre-production prototype STs since 1985. ;-)

Heck, I'd bet tons of people don't even know about the MSN site...

I would have to use the search feature to find the post(s) so you could likely find it just as easily as me. For the record I was the one with an issue with heat and Mark Lawrence (Calsci) was the one without. He rides in shorts and sandals. No ****:eek: For the test we both rode in shorts and swapped bikes. We rode highway and stop and go. Both bikes felt the same, the fans cycled on/off about the same and various parts on the bike measured the same with an IR termometer. Duh...

For record I do not really have an issue anymore. I position my legs/feet a little differently and I am fine. At least that is my guess as this can make a difference as I posted from my experiment riding up to Mark's to do the test. At least that is my speculation. I do not know for sure and nor do I care why I ceased to have any issue. Maybe the nerves on my shin have been fried and are somewhat dead.:D

[Raven]

Just curious, did you have riding pants on or just jeans?

I usually wear Outlast Temperature Control Long Undies (supposedly some kind of high-tech material that keeps you warm in the cold and cooler in the heat - they also act like "compresion" undies and give a little extra muscle support) and Cabela's Cordura/GoreTex Pants (not officially motorcycle riding pants - fairly sturdy but no padding).

On my Mohave Desert day, I was wearing the Outlast Long Undies and Wranglers. I think the jeans gave a little less heat protection even though they did not feel as hot at the time as the Cordura/GoreTex pants. I also decided to go with the jeans to take advantage of the old "bag of ice on the tank" evaporative cooling trick. I'm thinking about making a couple of knee pads out of one of the thick, padded-style space blankets that I can just slide into a knee pad pocket in my Cordura pants (or use as knee pads when I wear jeans).

I've a friend with a ST1100 who made half chaps out of ironing board cover to give a little insulation from the heat but they usually ride in shorts.

[ajpags]

Maybe the nerves on my shin have been fried and are somewhat dead.:D

And there's my solution - I just need to put even more miles on the bike to get to this point. ;-)

Pags

[NormanPCN]

Care to post a link Norm?

You old timers gotta' realize that not all of us have had pre-production prototype STs since 1985. ;-)

Heck, I'd bet tons of people don't even know about the MSN site...

I searched and found the article (http://groups.msn.com/st1300us/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=6754&LastModified=4675425768178137925).

[BJFazio]

[QUOTE=clmixon]06 in lafayette, No heat issue....Had an 04, No heat issue. Willing to trade around and see........

05 here in Deridder, LA. I consider the ST my 'cold weather bike'. My problem is that I don't have a 'hot weather bike'. Willing to swap rides anytime, especially with someone who does not have a heat issue.

Chris, please stop by if you're ever in the area. I'll do the same if I'm in Lafayette.

B.J.

[chiller]

i had a chance in the last 3 months to test ride 4 different ST's, my own, 1 dealer demo and 2 demo's from the honda canada demo days (at there toronto area hq office)....the heat was there on all 4 of them, there was not noticeable change from to the next, the only thing i noticed was MORE HEAT on the knees and legs if the bike i was riding didn't have the fairing deflectors on it...other then that all the same

[mark4252]

i've read here so many that dont have it, makes me wonder if its just me but i seen a guy at a bike meet the other day, he always had the 1100 and it was spotless, when i asked him about it, first thing he said was he hated it, the st1100 was so much cooler and he couldnt understand how anyone could stand to ride it with the heat. he also commented that due to fuel injection it wasnt as smooth taking off as the carb model 1100, and the center of gravity was much lower, he also got his wife a goldwing and he said its easier to move the goldwing around the garage than the st1300, probably due to the high center of gravity, now i love my o4 but it is a bit jerky taking off, it is top heavy at a stop and the heat, well my pants will be soaked after about a 2hr ride in 90 degree weather, i've put the deflectors on, i've changed seats to the sargent seat, i've put a foil bubble sheild under the seat which it still gets so hot after 2hrs that i stings so i dont think its all in my mind, not when i end the day with a red butt, i've checked in the mirror, oh not a good image, lol i've noticed the slightest movement of the feet can make a little difference, i've also went synthetic on the oil and with a thermography camera that did seem to lower the temp about 10 degrees but its still hot but on the postive side in the cold this is a great bike, the lower half sure doesnt get hot, i've also went to riding with the nike dry fit shirts in the hot and that helps over a tshirt, much better and i ride in all kind of weather, last weekend i took a two hour trip and it was in 108 degree weather, hot but i managed, but the shorts under my riding pants were pretty soaked and took a long time to dry, even the trip home in the dark was 90 and still hot. it would be nice to figure this out, why some have it and some not, and is it just what your tolerances are as compared to the next guy, i wish i knew cause i do love the bike on the road

[ajpags]

Hey Mark...

Curious - do you have the seat in the lowest position? I find that I get little/no heat through the seat in the lowest spot, but that transfers it to my ankles through the brackets.

There are a couple of us in NJ/PA trying to isolate the problem(s) - yes, again - and we will keep the thread apprised of our findings.
Pags

[Lou65]

On one of my first visits to this site I saw an infared image
of an ST showing where heat was.... does anybody know the location of this image?

Thanks

[whittlebeast]

Lately the outside air temp is about 60 deg. I have my headers wrapped on my 2005. I own an infrared thermometer. The aluminum chassis right next to my foot brake is now running about 120 degrees. The other issue is the air coming from in front of the heads. I can easily tell when the thermostat opens on my bike. The air temp at my shins instantly jumps about 50 degrees F. Then when the fans turn on the air temp must go to 150 or so. After about a hour on the bike my shins really start to sting even after I get off the bike. It really is hot.

Now the solution I found is a little off the wall. I went to the local Sports Authority and got some Softball base running leg guards. These things run about $12 each. They are about 3/8 inch thick and are about 14 inches tall. They really appear to protect the lower legs. They easily fit under a pair of jeans and are fairly unnoticeable.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/hitrunscore_1935_18410933

AW

[sundesj]

no heat problems here, can't share perfer the st

[ST Dan]

no heat problems for me...

just a thought...well two...reading these posts makes me wonder about rider height and seat position. I am 5'7 (28" inseam), so my legs..if i remember correctly..aren't up against the fairing. seat position as that can also determine placement of legs.

just a little fuel to the fire!