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tccox
08-02-2006, 06:29 PM
First of all, many apologies if the has already been posted.
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.860066.0.motorbike_withdrawn_from_use_ by_the_police.php
Whats the deal here ???? Why the problem only in England ?????? Really strange.
Hate to see this.
I wonder if the bikes were taken out of service as matter of routine or the previous fatality.
--Bryan
04ST1300A
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Burger
08-02-2006, 07:17 PM
I don't get it...
"PC Allan Shaw, aged 33, died last month after his Honda ST1300 motorbike struck a stationary lorry in Crompton Way, Astley Bridge."
Why does an officer striking a stationary truck throw concern at the model of bike? This seems to me like complete overeaction. The article doesn't say anything about instability but just wait for MCN to get hold of the story... more wild speculation coming your way soon.
Regards,
UNTMatt
08-02-2006, 07:28 PM
I don't get it...
"PC Allan Shaw, aged 33, died last month after his Honda ST1300 motorbike struck a stationary lorry in Crompton Way, Astley Bridge."
Why does an officer striking a stationary truck throw concern at the model of bike? This seems to me like complete overeaction. The article doesn't say anything about instability but just wait for MCN to get hold of the story... more wild speculation coming your way soon.
Regards,
I feel the same way. The article is too vague to be informative.
Britman
08-02-2006, 08:44 PM
Well to be really hard. The dumb s-o-b hit a vehicle (lorry)that wasn't moving. Not moving, those are the key words. The vehicle didn't swerve into his path. The vehicle didn't hit him head on. However you want to read the published words the rider ran into a stationary vehicle.
If the accident happened at night and the lorry had no lights on illuminating it then I guess there weren't any street lights. If and I repeat if there weren't any street lights then the rider should have been riding at a speed at which he could see far enough to either stop or swerve so as to avoid the stationary vehicle.
Anyway all there is to go on is the words printed by the local media. The report also read "His death came eight months after a fatal crash when an officer on a similar model was in collision with a lorry in Skelmersdale."
Maybe they should be banning lorries in England - not police ST1300's.
RibsST1300
08-02-2006, 09:06 PM
Hmm says it happened during a training exersise-practicing escorting limos or something?? Sounds like they just hot dogged it too much and he hit an obstacle...
Whatever happened to riding within your own personal limits, he must of been killed by the "GROUP MENTALITY".
Sad, no matter how it happened....
sttourer
08-02-2006, 10:10 PM
Do they pull all the panda cars when one of them crashes?
There has to be more to the story....
Pat
HankSTer
08-03-2006, 12:51 AM
Well I"m gonna guess that it's not a silly report, and more along the lines "the bike was traveling at a high rate of speed, the officer lost control, and hit a parked lorry". Or something to that effect.
I think all we can do is make sure our suspensions are set up as they should be, with the proper sag / pre load in the rear. Going to be doing mine very soon. Regards,
Burger
08-03-2006, 02:50 AM
The accident happened on 19th July.
More info here...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/219/219477_police_death_smash_bike_grounded_.html
This seems to be a fair article and they do say there is nothing to indicate his accident was because of the model of motorcycle. They were withdrawn because of the previous accident. What the police do in such situations is their business, but what really bothers me about this kind of thing is the way the story will get twisted and there'll be mass speculation over it. I think if I was Honda I would be doing an awful lot to counteract this BEFORE it develops into more criticism of the ST. The more Honda stay quiet on such a public issue, the more I for one think they're hiding something.
Regards,
Well to be really hard. The dumb s-o-b hit a vehicle (lorry)that wasn't moving. Not moving, those are the key words. The vehicle didn't swerve into his path. The vehicle didn't hit him head on. However you want to read the published words the rider ran into a stationary vehicle.Yes, it could be that simple, but we don't actually know what caused him to hit the truck. For example, if the bike went out of control because of a high-speed wobble, you could hardly blame the guy for what he hit... (Key words: "out" "of" and "control"...) That's like blaming the LAPD motor officer who rode off the collapsed overpass after the earthquake for hitting the ground. :mad:
Ciao,
Blrfl
08-03-2006, 04:55 AM
These days I find myself wondering about how sane England's constabularies actually are (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397240&in_page_id=1766&in_page_id=1766&expand=true).
--Mark
Burger
08-03-2006, 05:08 AM
I agree, on the face of it that story should make our police the laughing stock of the world, but that's on the face of it. The trouble is that news papers are very rarely unbiased or accurate. They're always looking for the 'angle' on a story and they always take one side or the other. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but this has been proved to me time and time again... if you actually know first hand the details of a story being reported then the news papers always get it wrong. So knowing that's the case, just what can you believe? If they get all the stories wrong you know of first hand, why should any of them be accurate?
In this case, the article, photographer and of course the parents have painted a picture of three innocent little angels. The truth could be miles away from this. I have seen and heard plenty of 12 year olds that could make a foul mouthed coal mining thug from Yorkshire appear as an innocent angel.
Back on topic, it's this level of innaccurate reporting that concerns me on stories such as this PC's death. News reporters of all mediums have an attitude and approach that seems to dictate scare mongering speculation to the point of being ridiculous until it then becomes the truth.
You can't believe anything you read or hear on the news and so just take it all with a pinch of salt.
Regards,
Trekker
08-03-2006, 09:43 AM
... The trouble is that news papers are very rarely unbiased or accurate. They're always looking for the 'angle' on a story and they always take one side or the other. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but this has been proved to me time and time again... if you actually know first hand the details of a story being reported then the news papers always get it wrong. So knowing that's the case, just what can you believe? If they get all the stories wrong you know of first hand, why should any of them be accurate?
Yeah...... I think we do.....here we call it the Main Stream Media (MSM). Problem now is that people tend to believe most "news" obtained from the NEW Media (cable news channels, internet news sites, blogs...), which is just as slanted in many cases. And let's not forget comedy fake news shows that certain percentages believe are real. Or celebs/comdians that preach politics.....which in my opinion makes them pundits with influence on society.
ToroGuy
08-03-2006, 09:51 AM
...You can't believe anything you read or hear on the news and so just take it all with a pinch of salt.
+1...lot of recent personal experience to back it up!?!?
MilesFromNowhere
08-03-2006, 10:04 AM
Could the training exercises be too aggressive and risky?
For the sake of the motor officers, one hopes that the training and exercises receive as much scrutiny as the bike handling.
Finewest
08-03-2006, 01:44 PM
I got to wondering how much the ST's touchy throttle was a factor in this? Maybe they should contact Turbo City for a bunch of FPR's...
campernh
08-03-2006, 02:26 PM
How is Lorry doing?
Why was she standing in the middle of the road.
BTW: I thought it was spelled Laurie.
Brian
;)
campernh
08-03-2006, 02:27 PM
What the heck is a lorry?
Brian
Pred8tor
08-03-2006, 02:52 PM
What the heck is a lorry?
Truck, if I'm not mistaken.
...could have been an Artic?
Ciao,
First of all, many apologies if the has already been posted.
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.860066.0.motorbike_withdrawn_from_use_ by_the_police.php
Whats the deal here ???? Why the problem only in England ?????? Really strange.
The answer to your question.
Most depts. in the USA use HD's. Anyone riding an HD for several years is unable to notice anything subtle going on. In the majority of US cities HD's plod along on back roads and tend to stay off major highway systems. They are primarily used for traffic enforcement and parades. In the UK and rest of Europe police motorcycles are expected to perform at high speeds with manueverability and total control.
The big exception is CA where they constantly patrol the freeways and have used Kawasakis till recently. They wanted to change over to ST's. but rejected the newST's after testing, then went to BMW. The BMW would not have been my first choice, but...;)
First of all, many apologies if the has already been posted.
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.860066.0.motorbike_withdrawn_from_use_ by_the_police.php
Whats the deal here ???? Why the problem only in England ?????? Really strange.
In addition to my above post I want to mention that Cambridge, MA has gone over to BMW's, after having used HD's like everyone else in this region for many years.
To those of you who don't know, Cambridge has something politically in common with most of CA. Whether or not this influenced their choice of police bikes I can't say. The other day I saw three of them resting in Harvard square suspiciously near a brick abutment.
Vlad:)
I don't get it...
"PC Allan Shaw, aged 33, died last month after his Honda ST1300 motorbike struck a stationary lorry in Crompton Way, Astley Bridge."
Why does an officer striking a stationary truck throw concern at the model of bike? This seems to me like complete overeaction. The article doesn't say anything about instability but just wait for MCN to get hold of the story... more wild speculation coming your way soon.
Regards,
For the same reason you would close down the entire tunnel to inspect the entire ceiling if a slab of concrete fell from that ceiling on only one car and killed only one occupant of that car.
Thanks Boston Big Dig,
Vlad
For the same reason you would close down the entire tunnel to inspect the entire ceiling if a slab of concrete fell from that ceiling on only one car and killed only one occupant of that car.
Thanks Boston Big Dig,
Vlad
I thought we managed to run your http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/BUTTkissass.gif off a while back. Evidently we're gonna have to do a better job in the future. Go take your http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/Topes.gifelsewhere.
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