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crazykz
08-23-2006, 06:38 PM
Hi All,

First off I want to thank everyone that supported Mike and myself on the ButtLite. I wish I could have had more contact but as the rally went on I needed to focus more and more. I liked being able to have people message me and thanks to everyone that did. It was great to know that I wasn't out there alone. It really did keep me going.

Although I owe you all I ride report from the ButtLite I know that there are a lot of you that want to know what happened with the Waffle House bonus which, in turn, caused my standing to slip from 10th to 17th. So I will explain it as it happened which is not the way Eddie will explain it. It is now part of LD history and the story will be told for years to come as long as Eddie is around. I will say that as much static as I got about the screw up from Eddie and Adam they both have a small thread of decency about it. Not a big thread but a little. It took me a couple days to get over it but I learned from it and I've moved on.

Here's the story:
The third leg of the ButtLite left from Atlanta on return to Niobrara, NE for the finish. I arrived in Atlanta very early, probably too early. I believe my arrival was around 7:00pm the evening before the checkpoint opened. I used this time to my advantage and took my sleep bonus at the Days Inn near the checkpoint. I picked up two receipts from McDonalds for my sleep bonus around 7:30pm and 10:30pm. The reason I got them both at McDonald's is that nothing would be open at 4:00am to get my last receipt and the hotel did not provide timestamps on their receipts. So I slept from around 11:00pm until 4:00am when the checkpoint opened.

I got to the checkpoint and had some breakfast then tried to sleep a little more. Eventually the last bonus packet was handed out and we were free to leave at anytime. I believe I left the checkpoint to go back to my room around 9:00am I think. I went back to my room and started planning my third leg. I spent about 2.5 hours planning a route that I hoped would at least hold my standing in the rally. However as I read one of the last bonuses I made a reading comprehension error and interpreted the bonus wrong.

The bonus read something close to this. "You can't swing a dead cat in the south without hitting a Waffle House or a Sonny's BarBQ. Obtain a receipt from any Waffle House or Sonny's BarBQ". The bonus was worth 441 points which is an easy 441 points. I thought this may have been a mean trick, that is not beneath Eddie or Adam (you know I'm right guys), to have us run around all day and collect receipts when we are tired and just want to head for Niobrara. Since it was at the end of the bonus pack I kind of panicked and wasn't thinking straight. No one was at the checkpoint at this point to ask questions of because I did ride back over to see if anyone was there. I found out later that I was not the only one that read the bonus in that way. However that person read it at the checkpoint and asked if it was one or as many as we could get. He was told it was only one and the scorers were told the same thing at Niobrara.

Since I interpreted this as a progressive bonus, meaning collect as many as you can for 441 points each I set out on a plan of action. I obtained a listing of all the Waffle Houses along interstate exits in all states. I then ran I-285 around Atlanta stopping at every exit where one was located. Sometimes there were 2 or 3 at each exit. I decided to truncate my route and collect these until late afternoon and then start collecting other bonuses that I had selected in my route. Then I would pick up more the next day across Tennessee. By the time the sun set I had collected 30 receipts in Atlanta by purchasing a coffee or a lemonade at about $1.50 a pop. I thought for a spur of the moment plan it wasn't bad.

I headed out to start collecting other bonuses at night through South Carolina, North Carolina, and Tennessee. I slept in Asheville, NC for the evening and headed across Tennessee in the morning. A lot of exits have them and at the end of that day I was done with collecting them. I know had 47 of them and had run out of ones to collect as I rolled into Iowa/Missouri. I still had a decent amount of bonuses to collect and focused on those as I rode through the night. I rode all night to get back to Niobrara on time but had to pull over a couple times to catch 30 minutes to an hour of sleep.

When I sat down to score myself before going to the scoring table I read the bonus again and read the scoring sheet. At that point I knew I was sunk. There were a few times my head told me this doesn't make sense because everyone would be doing this if that was the case but I didn't see other riders at Waffle Houses although one of them said there were 3 riders in a while before me that all wanted receipts also. I think at that point I was in denial and didn't want to be wrong but had this sneaky suspicion that I was. It was too late though at that point. I was ready to be scored and I wasn't going to present the receipts at the table. I asked Eddie at that point if the bonus was one or as many as you can get. Eddie said that you can only collect a bonus once. Then he said "If it was that way you could just ride around to all the Waffle Houses and win the rally". At that point I said "I know". Then Eddie obviously caught on and said "What? Did you go to like 40 of them?". I said "47 to be exact". Eddie busted out laughing and said that I had to tell Adam that. I had a feeling I wouldn't have to tell him myself.

As I sat down to the scoring table with Rebecca, who knew what I had done but didn't know that I knew they didn't count, I was waiting for Adam or Eddie to start in. I presented one valid receipt for the Waffle House bonus and got the points for it. Eddie thought it would be funny if I didn't get the points for that one because it was incorrect. As I presented the one Adam asked where the other ones were. I pulled the other 46 out of my receipts bag and put them on the table. Adam had me fan them out and he took a picture of them. David E.B. Smith posted a link on LDRider to the pic. I'll post it here for your enjoy meant.

Now a lot of people were supportive and said things like "it was your first multi-day rally" or "you were tired". Although there is some truth to both I don't accept either one of them as a valid excuse. I completely 100% screwed up. I was well rested. I was ready for the third leg and whether it's a single day rally or multi-day I approached each leg separately. It was nothing but a colossal mistake and all I can do is learn not to do it again. I did not consider the bonus deliberately misleading. I think it could have been worded better but it's also my responsibility to ask if I feel it is unclear.

So the story will be told for years but in retrospect it was not the only mistake made on the ButtLite and it, in my opinion, was not the biggest one, just the biggest one to me. At the IBA National Meet I won a $100 gift certificate for the most points lost on one bonus (441*46=20286). However I never presented the other receipts and the bonus was only worth 441 points so there was no points to lose and I still collected the bonus. However I realize it promotes the ButtLite and makes for a good story that Eddie, myself, and others can tell for years to come. So I'm fine with that. Anything that promotes the sport is fine with me. I will take solace in the fact that I placed ahead of a lot of people who didn't waste at least half a day on the last leg collecting receipts and still manage to place 17th. It is not an easy task to finish and I send out a congratulations to all of the participants in the ButtLite. Looking forward to the next. Congrats to my new found friends Alex, Mike, and John for their great finishes. Congrats to LDMike, Ron and Carrie Hanson, John Coons, and all the other people I already knew for their finshes also.

So who's up for Waffles?

Curt

P.S. I can't thank enough my friends that supported me through the rally and this ordeal. I value your friendship more than you will ever know. The first night was very hard to take and I was stopped from making an even bigger mistake even though I didn't realize it at the time. Thanks to all involved, directly or indirectly, for your support.

Mellow
08-23-2006, 06:50 PM
That's got to suck.. .but, your memory will live on.. and, everyone will remember, next year when 'He came back and won it out of spite'.. that will complete the story.

Andy Kirby
08-23-2006, 06:52 PM
Hi Curt

I thought you accepted your new found 'status' at the IBA meeting with exceptional grace. We've all done similar things, in one day rallies in my case and it usually stays 'local' but with Eddie and the Stange's you never know what you are going to get, sometimes quite innocently butt then they would never let the truth get in the way of a good story, or a wet tennis ball for that matter........

A class act IMHO :cool:

Cheers

Andy

AZST
08-23-2006, 06:52 PM
I heard about your WH debacle and did not want to mention it, for fear that you may jump off a ledge somewhere...:p:

However, you're a big man for coming out with the full explanation. Regardless of the situation, you earned my respect for just attempting a ride like this. Way tougher than I am.

Great job Curt. :yes:

--Bryan
04ST1300A
:04biker:

crazykz
08-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Hi Curt

I thought you accepted your new found 'status' at the IBA meeting with exceptional grace. We've all done similar things, in one day rallies in my case and it usually stays 'local' but with Eddie and the Stange's you never know what you are going to get, sometimes quite innocently butt then they would never let the truth get in the way of a good story, or a wet tennis ball for that matter........

A class act IMHO :cool:

Cheers

Andy

Thanks Andy. That's the great thing about the internet. You can now within a matter of minutes can be instantly famous for a complete screw up.

Hey this just in..... I suck! ;)

Boxergrrlie hates it when I say that but I mean it in the most joking of ways.

I'm trying to come up with a good caption to put on my fender for this whole thing. "Follow me for waffles" "Someone say waffles?"

Adam's suggestion was to call them for sponsership. That's not a bad idea.

Curt

Andy Kirby
08-23-2006, 07:00 PM
no one will ever remember who won this year

Sorry to disagree Mellow but I think Alex Schmitt is an exceptional LD talent, with probably one of the best prepared bikes out there and is a guy to look out for in the future, least of all the '07 IBR.

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers

Andy

PS CrazyKZ did you meet Lurleen after all that??????? :)

Mellow
08-23-2006, 07:01 PM
Sorry to disagree Mellow but I think Alex Schmitt is an exceptional LD talent, with probably one of the best prepared bikes out there and is a guy to look out for in the future, least of all the '07 IBR.

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers

Andy

Just kidding Andy, you LD guys are in a different class. Just meant it in a joking way.. no disrepect meant

crazykz
08-23-2006, 07:02 PM
Sorry to disagree Mellow but I think Alex Schmitt is an exceptional LD talent, with probably one of the best prepared bikes out there and is a guy to look out for in the future, least of all the '07 IBR.

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers

Andy

I spent a lot of time with Alex and the 7th place finisher, Mike Evans. Both are tough riders and you can bet your @$$ that they are tough competitors. They didn't ride together and they both placed in the top ten. Alex is a machine and seems to recover quickly from tough legs. Look for him in the '07 Butt. If people don't know him now they will come next year.

Curt

crazykz
08-23-2006, 07:04 PM
Just kidding Andy, you LD guys are in a different class. Just meant it in a joking way.. no disrepect meant

I know what you meant Joe. No offense taken. Just trying to make me feel better about my screw up.

Curt

Mellow
08-23-2006, 07:04 PM
I know what you meant Joe. No offense taken. Just trying to make me feel better about my screw up.

Curt

If it was me... I'd still be there eating...

nm6r
08-23-2006, 07:04 PM
Curt, don't feel bad about trying to rack up the points. In contests such as this, it's usually the guy that uses the rules to his best advantage while playing within the rules that does the best. Kind of like income tax. Someone making $150k/year having enough deductions allowing them to fall into the earned income category.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

Andy Kirby
08-23-2006, 07:09 PM
Just kidding Andy, you LD guys are in a different class. Just meant it in a joking way.. no disrepect meant

I know and none taken but I thought I should 'keep the record straight' here after all he does ride an ST1100 and is in looking to upgrade to an ST1300 in the future.

Cheers
Andy

Mark
08-23-2006, 07:09 PM
I followed you on the road; but, never texted ya... next time...
Sorry to hear about the error; but, it certainly reads like you're over it...
As long as you can smile about it next year you'll be doing fine...

I'm buying at the Waffle House the next time you're through here... :-)
Day or night!

Mark

Mellow
08-23-2006, 07:14 PM
I know and none taken but I thought I should 'keep the record straight' here after all he does ride an ST1100 and is in looking to upgrade to an ST1300 in the future.

Cheers
Andy

Out of respect for the winner, I will adjust my comments ... he deserves some repsect for this win.

jdpfms
08-23-2006, 07:28 PM
Good story and you will probably remember that ride more for it. Have you considered checking with Waffle House management to see if they will sponsor you on LD rides (like Eagan on Ducatis)? Just kidding, but you should get something from them for your loyal patronage! :eat2:

JDP

BigTom
08-23-2006, 08:23 PM
Yeah, Curt

My hat's off to you, a great ride, great finish. :bow1:

I was thinking, too. (Danger) Jarod, the ex fat guy is making a zillion from Subway, maybe a contact to Waffle House would be in line....You could call Oprah, and proceed from there.

And further, I like Waffle House. Is a good solid place to stop and feed in a hurry. Or to get out of the rain for a while...

Blrfl
08-23-2006, 09:14 PM
Curt, my good man, my hat is still off to ya, even if you'd goofed worse and collected receipts from Stuckey's.

I think you should find a way to work 47 Waffle Houses into an endurance rally and then run it.

--Mark

sttourer
08-23-2006, 09:32 PM
Great run Curt. You've got nothing to hang your head over. I am very impressed with your finish. It must have been a great experience.

My money says next time you'll be in the top 10....if not first.

Pat

AzDesertRider
08-23-2006, 09:36 PM
Curt, Great job finishing :bow1: :bow1:

Was great to read your posts / texts while you were in route.

My hats off to you sir!

gene
08-23-2006, 09:41 PM
Great job Curt!!! I'm sure only a few of us could have done it at all. Now tha waffle house that is the first good laught this group has had all week since hearing of David, so thanks Curt for lifting at least my spirits with a good laugh and and your safe finish CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT JOB!!

GENE

nm6r
08-23-2006, 09:45 PM
The texting was very cool. Maybe Curt can enlighten us as to how that was accomplished. Very clever.

Imagine if the waffle house thing worked like he thought it did, and he was the only one to figure it out.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

crazykz
08-23-2006, 09:55 PM
The texting was very cool. Maybe Curt can enlighten us as to how that was accomplished. Very clever.

Imagine if the waffle house thing worked like he thought it did, and he was the only one to figure it out.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

Mark (Blrfl) set it up for me which was very nice of him.

Curt

boxergrrlie
08-23-2006, 10:24 PM
A class act IMHO :cool:

I agree with Andy. Although you were kicking yourself (we all do after rallies) you handled it really well (publically anyway :)). Plus, it makes a good story.

AND by giving your rallymasters someone to pick on, you made them very, very happy. You're a regular philanthropist I tell ya!

crazykz
08-23-2006, 10:44 PM
I agree with Andy. Although you were kicking yourself (we all do after rallies) you handled it really well (publically anyway :)). Plus, it makes a good story.

AND by giving your rallymasters someone to pick on, you made them very, very happy. You're a regular philanthropist I tell ya!

I'll say it made it easier to handle in public when I had people to talk about it in private. Thanks.

Curt

Coop
08-23-2006, 11:53 PM
Congratulations Curt!! Maybe you can work a deal with the food channel to do tours of Waffle Houses across American promoting Uncle Buck's Syrup.

tdeboeser
08-24-2006, 06:26 AM
Good Job! Hope you had fun otherwise. I would suggest seeing a doctor tho... 47 Waffle Houses Can't be good for you.:D

Waffle House is good once in a while 47 times?!? Wow. :bow1:


Tom de

Biddyman
08-24-2006, 07:31 AM
Congrats Curt!

I must say I was disappointed when I opened the thread and saw the pic of a hand and reciepts.:eek: I thought you beat your gas station pic! Hahahaha!:D

Burger
08-24-2006, 07:39 AM
OK, as the guy from out of town... or other side of the pond or just a plain old dumb englishman :D I'm confused. I understand Curts oversight and it does build an amusing picture but what I don't understand, as he says he only presented one receipt, is why did this cause him to drop from 10th to 17th?

I'd like to understand that but whatever, Curt, I think you did absolutely brilliantly... well done. I couldn't even have come 117th. Fantastic feat.

Regards,

sherob
08-24-2006, 08:49 AM
Way to go Curt... you finished, that's all the counts! :bow1: You learned alot too and didn't waffle under the pressure ;)

Austin city limits
08-24-2006, 09:26 AM
Ice Tea?!?!?! You ONLY,,, had Ice Frigg'n Tea!!!

See,,, right there if that was me???

I would have because of time,,, only been able to hit 27 Waffle Houses...

Why,,, just 27???

Well,,, I would have had the "2 Waffles,,, 2 Sausage Links" and a Diet Pepsi at each one... HEY,,, it takes longer to eat!!!

NO WAY,,, can you hit more than 27 in that time,,, eat 54 Waffles,,, 54 Links,,, and 27 Diet Pepsi and that many miles... :p:

Curt,,, I am proud of you... I ate with Tim Yow yesterday at Moonshine and I was pumping you up to him hoping to someday see you in the Rally he said you talked to him at Denver???

This was before I read this thread so,,, I did not ask if he heard about this... But,,, let me tell you... Tim Yow has screwed up,,, about everyway,,, you can screw up when doing these rides too...

Getting your name out there really truly does,,, mean something in that wacky group... I might not BE,,, IN,,, that wacky group,,, but I KNOW,,, this wacky group... ;)

Oh,,, and don't discount the sponsorship angle either... I mean,,, look at me,,, I am just a slack jaw local,,, but I do have a Sponsorship from Little Debbie!!!

http://www.st-owners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12216&d=1155223330

tdeboeser
08-24-2006, 09:36 AM
Oh yeah, I never put my Mason-dixon 2020 (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) (http://www.masondixon20-20.org/) ride report up.

But I feel your pain Curt. I did a long route ( too long 1400 - in about 22 hours ). I was very satisfied with my ride, I finished!! I wasn't sure I was going to.

But I didn't collect most of my bounes correctly. I made such a bad mistake ( With READING COMPREHENSION !!!), that I ended up with negitive points... too negitive to mention :(. But it was a blast, good and fun ride, great people - so I am happy with my experiance. But next year I'm gonna win :D. Point is, I hope you enjoyed yourself.

Tom de

MidLife
08-24-2006, 09:40 AM
OK, as the guy from out of town... or other side of the pond or just a plain old dumb englishman :D I'm confused. I understand Curts oversight and it does build an amusing picture but what I don't understand, as he says he only presented one receipt, is why did this cause him to drop from 10th to 17th?

I'd like to understand that but whatever, Curt, I think you did absolutely brilliantly... well done. I couldn't even have come 117th. Fantastic feat.

Regards,

Good question. Perhaps because others were not waffling around and earning real bonuses in the mean time?

Kempo-STer
08-24-2006, 10:09 AM
Curt..

Congrats man.:bow1: :04biker:
An incredible feat no matter what place..


Take this into consideration for your next rally...


It is only a failure if you did not learn something.
You'll be better at this as a result of you experience.

I agree with Milesfromnowhere..
I don't think is was very classy to bust you as&*&* over this in front of everyone.

crazykz
08-24-2006, 10:27 AM
OK, as the guy from out of town... or other side of the pond or just a plain old dumb englishman :D I'm confused. I understand Curts oversight and it does build an amusing picture but what I don't understand, as he says he only presented one receipt, is why did this cause him to drop from 10th to 17th?

I'd like to understand that but whatever, Curt, I think you did absolutely brilliantly... well done. I couldn't even have come 117th. Fantastic feat.

Regards,

The reason I slipped to 17th was that I spent all that time getting receipts that didn't count for any points when I could have been executing the route that I had setup and collected more points. Make sense?

Terry, I see you're set up for a while with Little Debbie. I hope TLC isn't jealous that you are cheating on her with an animated character. ;)

Curt

LDMike
08-24-2006, 10:58 AM
Curt,

So, does this mean that the next time we together for dinner that you choose where we go to eat???

Louie Louie
08-24-2006, 10:58 AM
Congratulations on your adventure!:bow1:

crazykz
08-24-2006, 11:04 AM
Curt,

So, does this mean that the next time we together for dinner that you choose where we go to eat???

Yes! ;)

Putt
08-24-2006, 05:27 PM
Look at it this way Curt... 40 years from now, no one will remember who
won the rally... They will, however, remember the guy that stopped at all
the Waffle Houses.... You have a place in history, my friend....


Putt...

hojo in sc
08-24-2006, 06:23 PM
Curt: Sorry about the little mishap in the points dept, but one thing for sure, glad you finished a long ride SAFE!

CruisingDog
08-24-2006, 10:20 PM
Thanks Andy. That's the great thing about the internet. You can now within a matter of minutes can be instantly famous for a complete screw up.

Hey this just in..... I suck! ;)

Boxergrrlie hates it when I say that but I mean it in the most joking of ways.

I'm trying to come up with a good caption to put on my fender for this whole thing. "Follow me for waffles" "Someone say waffles?"

Adam's suggestion was to call them for sponsership. That's not a bad idea.

Curt

I'd be more worried about the amount of nasty coffee you had to endure to get those receipts!! At least you are man enough to admit that you're fallable ...like the rest of us!! Good job in finishing. Lot's of respect from this corner of the world.. 17th place is pretty damn good in my books. How many of us can claim that or better ???? Give yourself a good old pat on the back for having fun with the whole thing. :-D

forgitaboutut
08-24-2006, 10:45 PM
congrats curt!!
at least you dont have to look at waffle houses here!
(I don't think I've seen ONE in Wi.!)
But you can bet your asss where the next RTE will be!;)
:04biker:

Putt
08-24-2006, 10:57 PM
There are a couple down the St. Louis area on the Illinois side of the river....


Putt..

CrashTestDanny
08-24-2006, 11:23 PM
Curt, I hope you got a receipt from the Waffle House in Wentzville, MO. If not, come on back and I'll buy you breakfast! If you did, then I'm sorry I missed you.

There's one thing I don't understand - probably because I failed to read something correctly. How did this mistake cost you your standing if you didn't lose points for it?

coldoughboy
08-25-2006, 06:28 AM
I respect your efforts and your finish. The only people that do not make mistakes are the ones that sit at home and do not try anything. You will do much better next time.

crazykz
08-25-2006, 06:35 AM
Curt, I hope you got a receipt from the Waffle House in Wentzville, MO. If not, come on back and I'll buy you breakfast! If you did, then I'm sorry I missed you.

There's one thing I don't understand - probably because I failed to read something correctly. How did this mistake cost you your standing if you didn't lose points for it?

I may have seen the one in Wentzville but I didn't stop at that point. I believe I did get at least one around St. Louis by the Chain of Rocks bridge on the Illinois side.

The reason that it dropped my standings was simply that it consumed time. More time collecting receipts meant less time to collect bonuses that would actually net me more points. I did get quite a few bonuses but I would have snagged more and at least one combo if I had not been collecting receipts.

Hope that clears it up.

Curt

sherob
08-25-2006, 06:37 AM
I know you are an IBA member... maybe we need to start a Waffle Iron Butt Association and have a run :D Just funnin ;)

STeve1300
08-25-2006, 07:36 AM
Ok, OK.... now the real question that hasn't yet been addressed.... Didn't you quit drinking coffee???

Biddyman
08-25-2006, 07:36 AM
Wings at DQ and ST's at Waffle house? Hehehehe

crazykz
08-25-2006, 08:18 AM
Ok, OK.... now the real question that hasn't yet been addressed.... Didn't you quit drinking coffee???

I drink some on rallies but otherwise I have quit caffiene as much as possible.

I like the WIBA. Now THAT is funny!

Curt