Kawasaki Introduces All-New Concours Built Around ZX-14 Motor

[STDean]

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23september06_concours.htm

[georgeorge]

Alright..I'll be the first to say it. Nice.

[tccox]

Well, guess the ST has a home at my house for good. That Kawasaki is some kind of UGLY. Thought I might be interested in one but those looks,,,,,,,,,,,,,Good Grief

[georgeorge]

Well, guess the ST has a home at my house for good. That Kawasaki is some kind of UGLY. Thought I might be interested in one but those looks,,,,,,,,,,,,,Good Grief

Really? I think it's pretty sharp looking. Except for the lines on the saddlebags.

[CruisingDog]

That looks like one very nice machine. Sweet. Does it have an electric windshield though ? ;-)

The 1400cc engine is definitely going to give the ST a run for its money. IMO Kaw. has always made good motorcycles (esp. sports bikes). I'm sure this will be pretty refined. Can't wait to see it at the motorcycle expos coming up.

[tccox]

Yep the bags and that awful muffler. Actually might not be too bad if they'ed fix those two items. Still think I'll keep the ST though

[georgeorge]

[QUOTE=CruisingDog]That looks like one very nice machine. Sweet. Does it have an electric windshield though ? ;-)
QUOTE]

Yep...it says it does.

[Ken]

This thing is HOT!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/092306_concours_top.jpg

[samal]

OMG, I know what is going to be my next bike - I will dream about it for 2 years now!

[Imrubicon]

I wonder how many bikes I can fit in the garage????????????
It looks good but I still love My ST enough to be happy for a year after it comes out .
Never liked getting the first run of something .
Sometimes has a few bugs to work out

[MOTO JUNKIE]

Yep, smooth out the saddle bags, shrink the exhause can and make the bags bigger. That would do it. Seat height looks non-negotiable with that plastic under it. Swing arm looks funky too.
I like the fins up front, much better than the zx14.
I think I will wait for the 09 and see.

[Bones]

Wow. What do you wanna bet the silver one is faster than the black? :wink:

[RibsST1300]

Looks like same basic shape as a ST!

I like it!

[BigTom]

Hail, hail. The queen is dead! Long live the queen.

I'll be really interested to see how it sits, and really, really interested to see what Honda comes up with for '08. Honda is now clearly riding the oldest of the genre. I'm guessing they will step up. Can you say v-8?

I know the bags look clunky, but such an improvement over the briefcase look on the old connie. Electric windscreen, and the ZX-14 motor. Yee Haa.

And the new KLR. They announced the '07 KLR a month ago, no change. This is a change. I was hoping they were going to put a parallel twin in that frame, to make it a little more roadable. Ah well, one out of two isn't bad.

[Stlrider]

Iv'e never been a Kawasaki fan

[jdpfms]

Alright..I'll be the first to say it. Nice.

As always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I completely agree that I really like the looks of this bike :yr1: . Now when and how much? I expect to see the ABS model very close to the FJR price since I think a lot of the COG will not bite on a price closer to the R1200RT (nor would I). Good for Kawasaki. :clap2:

JDP

[Austin city limits]

I have been bugging the guys over at the COG site for about,,, ever... I am 81.4% sure that the Kawa will be my next bike...

Does this mean I didn't like my ST??? NO,,, F R I G G ' N,,, WAY!!! LOVED my ST... Best dang bike I ever rode bar none...

Why not get another ST then??? Well,,, I am only living once,,, and after riding my ST 22,600 miles,,, I think I am ready to try another of the 5 bikes I wish I could own... Might be a mistake going to the Kawa,,, but that 160 hp is calling me... :o:

Would I own another ST??? YES!!! YES I SAY!!! I might STILL,,, end up with a ST,,, who knows... They might not import the 1400 till like July or so and if,,, that happens,,, I might look at a used ST or something...

Would I leave this site if I get a 1400??? Not if you paid me to leave... :D Though,,, I will entertain bids to see what the market to buy me out would be...

[Keendog42]

I've heard rumors about this bike for two years as soon as I trade in my ZZR on the ST they launch it. Looks like I should have held out one more year.

[ST13Fred]

For model year 08, the ST13 would be heading into its' 6th year and will get clobbered unless it too updates the ST. Will be interesting to watch and may consider an upgrade, myself.

Fred:04biker: :)

[BigTom]

Terry

I wondered what you would say. I liked my Connie, a lot, too. This one might be in my future. I wouldn't leave here, either. And I surely wouldn't disparage the ST. I really am interested to see what Honda comes up with. I could see some serious HP gains here, too. Honda is now the smallest hp in the game.

[sherob]

The only draw back I see... Kawa warranty work if you need it :rolleyes: It is a sweet looking machine. Wonder how much fuel it holds :cool:

[freak]

i love my st but that thing is sweet!
wont trade in the st for one though.
cant beat a honda. IMHO

[Raven]

Naked the thing is HOT! This would make an awesome street fighter!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/092306_concours_bottom.jpg


Wonder if they're going to try and sell this in a "P" version now that they've phased out the KZ1000P. . . .

[ST13Fred]

The ST has enough power (and weight) already to shred tires. I don't need more power/speed; less weight, electronic/electrical gadgetry and air flow/suspension improvements are things I may like to see in 08. But it will be hard to drag me off a Honda.

:04biker:

[Finewest]

...And this is from a former Connie owner and long time hater! :(

Well it's about damn time!!!:eek: :rolleyes:

Look at it! It's a direct hybrid of the FJR and the ST! It's about time they ditched that... uh hum... you know, rhymn's with ditch... This is what they should of been building years ago! There goes that "frugal" price too! Small looking bags from this angle. Seat don't look too comfy; single bench... hmmm... I hate the Connie so much, and it has left such a bad taste in my asphalt mouth, that I can't even enjoy this new and improved version... I'm willing to bet that we'll be hearing about a lot of older model Connies wreckin' "accidently"! ;) :rolleyes:

I'll stick with Veronica! :bow1: :06biker:

[sherob]

I think we all missed the obvious... the coolest think about our ST... hate to drop it :eek:

[huxtablejones]

if Honda follows Kawasaki's "lead" they got 14 more years to leave the ST exactly as it is ;)

[sparkinator]

Probably goin' to kill the FJR's sales. I can't see how many of those guys would be that loyal to it. Yamaha's only salvation was changing it up this year (reckon they heard a rumor?) It will get into some of the ST's sales, but Honda owners are pretty loyal.

If I was in the bike market I would probably buy one if they got it halfway right, but I'm pretty satisfied with what I've got. I like it more every time I ride it.

[drmedak]

I think it's pretty sharp looking. Except for the lines on the saddlebags.

I'm with that...looks pretty nice except for the lines on the saddlebags. To my eye it resembles a FJR1300 more than a ST. Kinda reminds me of a blend of styling cues from the FJR, ST and RT.

I have to admit I still really like the lines of my ST1100.

[nm6r]

Overall, that looks better than the ZX14. I think Kawi is on the right track with this one. That is one big ugly can. Of course the ST1300 comes with two ugly cans even if they are appropriately sized. The bags could use some improvement and it doesn't look like it has adjustable bars. I really like the looks of the ST1300 better although I bet that one doesn't have a butt-ugly taillight. The ST is also blessed with tipover protection.

I'm sure this is going to be exciting. We'll see if Kawi upped the ante when they hit the street. We could only hope as it would likely be a preview of coming attractions from other manufacturers.

In the mean time, I probably should order up another set of oem Bridgestones since I'm having such a good time on my ST.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[sport_tourer]

The only draw back I see... Kawa warranty work if you need it :rolleyes: It is a sweet looking machine. Wonder how much fuel it holds :cool:

Yup, Kawaski warranty sucks IMO! My experiences with my former 2001 ZX12R and Kawaski for warranty coverage was crap, including Kawaski's Good Times Protection Plan (GTTP) factory extended warranty coverage. When a bike owner has to SEND THIER PARTS TO KAWASKI IN CALIFORNIA to have Kawaski techs look at the part (front forks in my case) to determine if something is covered under warranty because they dont have any dealer reps stopping by dealerships and the dealership is unable to make the call, that's when I refuse to own the brand....thus the reason I sold my ZX12R. And then when I asked for written documentation regarding my fork warranty denial, they refused to provde anything in writing until I *****ed to their customer service manager and even with him there was relucatance to provide anything in writing. I was told "if you need documentation, you could always have the next owner of the bike to call here and ask by VIN number about the bike". But yet, when the owner of a bike calls Kawaski and asks for a printout of the whats on Kawaski's files regarding warranty concerns, they wont give you anything. Pretty neat little system they got there...they write down what they want, you cant see it or get a copy (even if you wish to verfiy what was has happened to your own bike), but they will tell you what they wrote down. Let me just say that some of the things they wrote down dont exactly jive with my personal notes!

Additionally, when Kawaski refuses to cover my ZX12R rattling mirror (the mirror is sealed and cannot be tightened) which could be heard over a Yoshimura exhaust while riding down the road because they claim its a "cosmetic flaw" and when their warranty specifically INCLUDES coverage except for COSMETIC APPEARANCE, screw them...they are nothing but cheap, poor customer oriented company. I mean, there was nothining wrong with my mirror in terms of cosmetics, but the damn thing just rattled and they wouldnt cover it....pretty cheap company IMO.

I won't own another Kawaski as long as I live. I also have a ridding buddy who lost two motors during a warranty period on ZRX-1100 and Kawaski did crap for him both times. They claimed abuse. And I can assure they the guy does NOT abuse his bikes. Amazing.

Kawaski makes some nice performance related bikes, but their customer support and warranty coverage leaves a lot to be desired, especially in this day and age, where the internet is a valuable tool to research customer experiences.

My experiences with Kawaski warranty was during mid 2006 so its a current experience. I literally had one month remaining on my warranty when I had the fork problems, and then 4 days remaining when I had the mirror problems. I had never used the warranty prior to that time (so maybe that is testimony to them in that respect), but the cost to Kawaski to repair both my claims would have been less than what I paid for the extended warranty coverage. They still would have made money, but instead, they got one former customer who has little if anything postive to say about the brand anymore. So, you have been warned.

Honda definitely will need some major updates to the ST1300 in 2008, otherwise the model will be seriously left behind. The 2007 ST1300 is already well behind the other sport tourer offerings. The ST1300 is too fat, too slow and with cheap suspension components comapared to what the other brands are offerring for 2007.

[earlfo]

I have owned Hondas and I have owned a Kawasaki. 120 HP is more than I know what to do with as it is. I will be keeping my Honda and either adding another Honda(VTX1800) or a Triumph (Rocket III) to the stable. I had my dance with Kawasaki, and I was not all that impressed.

[STill Fiddlin]

I agree with drmedak; it looks to borrow more from the FJR than the ST. I've seen enough of those FJRs that I now am curious to see just how much those side bags can carry. They look pretty small, and the new Concours seems to have the same problem. I'm sure it will be a nice machine, but I don't need a bigger engine, and other than that, where's the real improvement over what Honda offers, including the Honda reliability.

There's something about that naked bike picture that reminds me of the Terminator.

[Mark]

To go along with the new Connie theres a new KLR.
Linky (http://tinyurl.com/h97f7)

Paul

Paul!

Don't make me drool... the kids get the wrong idea! :-)

Mark

[Lager]

The new Kaw,looks good to me, I know I sure would enjoy the extra HP. The St, might be OK,,But sure dont yank on my short ones like my CBR1000 did..What bothers me is the valve adjustment interval,,6 K miles as compared to the St's 16 K Miles.. This could get expensive??

[dond]

The new Kaw,looks good to me, I know I sure would enjoy the extra HP. The St, might be OK,,But sure dont yank on my short ones like my CBR1000 did..What bothers me is the valve adjustment interval,,6 K miles as compared to the St's 16 K Miles.. This could get expensive??
Should line up w/tire replacement :)

My summer trips are often 8-9,000 miles, hmm.

[BigTom]

It should be a pretty reliable power plant, and I wouldn't worry too much about the valve check interval. My KLR needs it now, and I think the interval is 6000 on it, too. I am triple that.

However, on further reflection, I really like the ST. Reliable and smooth. EZ maintainance. Reliable.

I have owned a couple of Kaw dirt bikes, the KLR (the best), a connie, a KZ1 and a 750 2 stroker (suicide machine). The connie 14 is exciting, but I do like the ST. I don't think I'd go for a first year model, anyway. Not that it makes much difference, I'm guessing this connie will be somewhat higher MSRP than the last one:)

[UNTMatt]

Front end looks alot like the ST and the sides like a really ugly FJR. Hard cases look small and unattractive...don't get me started on that hidious can. That is really one ugly bike. Although, it is better looking than that awefull ZX-14. :puk1:

I do like the wave rotors on it. Nice touch.

As for the ST...I'll keep her. It's a proven reliable platform with a second-to-none warranty. Not to mention, a MUCH better looking bike. When I'm ready for more 'sport' I'll put a rocket back in the stable.

[MDLaw]

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder....who beat that bike with the ugly stick? ;) Looks to me that they are aiming for a more youthful market; squids as I believe they are called. Seems too me their marketing is way off. The more...ahmm....mature male such as myself is going to look at a sport tourer not a hyper-testosterone youth.

[PNWSTMan]

A good thing about new competitors is that Honda will come up with some new ideas for the ST to keep up with the Joneses!

[Ken]

Keep in mind that more bikes have or will have bigger exhausts/canisters with multiple catalytic converters to keep up with emissions regulations. Some of these dam things look like rocket launchers.

It seems to me that BMW with the GT and Kaw with the reborn Connie are going after the SPORT side of sport touring. Not necessarily squidwardly buyers, but maybe those that lean more towards HP than LD.

[sherob]

I see a new hypertourer in the mix for Honda next year... I read they had scrapped one for this year because it wasn't good enough (new 1100XX) :eek: Can't wait to see what good enough is :)

[Yogi]

Can you say v-8 502ci :eek:


Hail, hail. The queen is dead! Long live the queen.

I'll be really interested to see how it sits, and really, really interested to see what Honda comes up with for '08. Honda is now clearly riding the oldest of the genre. I'm guessing they will step up. Can you say v-8?

I know the bags look clunky, but such an improvement over the briefcase look on the old connie. Electric windscreen, and the ZX-14 motor. Yee Haa.

And the new KLR. They announced the '07 KLR a month ago, no change. This is a change. I was hoping they were going to put a parallel twin in that frame, to make it a little more roadable. Ah well, one out of two isn't bad.

[Vbird]

I'm a Honda guy,but that's a cool bike! The four-bar link rear suspension is very trick(I bet BMW or Honda wish they had thought of it first!) it's been used on mtn bikes for years b/c it cancels out torque inputs while allowing the suspension work.Radial mounted front brakes and upside down forks are trick too.I almost bought a ZZR1200 but I wanted ABS,shaft drive,and integrated bags.Looks like Kawi fixed all that.I'd wait and see what owners have to say about it.

[vintagemxr]

I'm thinking the new bike will be a bit more than the $8499 MSRP of the current Concours. One of the biggest attractions of the Connie has been the bang-for-the-buck factor. I had an '01 and enjoyed it a lot. The ST1300 is a much nicer bike but dollar for dollar the Concours is hard to beat. The new 1400 is interesting but not enough to tempt me away from my ST1300.

[bygdawg]

I had an 02 Connie for some time and can't complain about the bang for the buck factor. I love my Honda ST, but I'm going to have to have a close encounter with this jewel when and if it actually comes out. It's gotta be the total package for me to even consider it. In short, it's not all about the HP and speed. If that was the case, I'd be riding an FJR right now. It's going to have to have plenty of luggage space, be comfy, provide good touring range, provide good weather protection, def. be shaft, and possibly lose that mammoth exhaust tank on the rear of it. Overall, I think it's a pretty sharp bike, but we'll see once it hits the show room floors. There's a lot a bike can gain or lose from pen to production. :03biker:

[curmudgeon]

I don't think there is any chance that bike will sell for less then $14,000 to $16,000. ABS, electric shield, tire pressure transmitters, gear indicator, and shaft drive. The ZX-14 is $11,499 and this ST version is loaded with costly items. The days of low cost Concours is over.

Oh, and my opinion of it? Probably be a hell of a fast touring machine, but if it has ergonomics more like the Ducati ST-4 it's not for me. Hopefully I will see one at the Seattle Cycle World show in early December.

I wouldn't trade my 05 for it! The ST-1300 is fast enough, has a great riding position, large tank, and better looking. I'm always happy to see more competition in the Sport-Touring ranks as it will always eventually lead to all brands getting better.

Phil

[Austin city limits]

To answer another poster...

I had 3 warranty issues with my Connie...

First was the dreaded "Pitted Cams' that many connies had... Mine were replaced,,, no problem at all... Dealer,,, checking the valves saw them,,, and took care of them...

J-Box acted up 1 time in 100... Took care of and was replaced...

Steering head bearing replaced,,, no problem...

[firstst]

Having a Connie back in 2000 and still riding my second KLR I think I may start saving up for a new KLR in the future. Luv the looks of the Connie & the 14 motor would be great but I think that I could convince the wife easier on the KLR. I think it's gonna be along time before I get tired om my 06 ST.

[patentcad]

Hot looking sport tourer for sure. I agree it will be north of $10K, but I would guess it will be a 'bargain' compared to an ST1300. I'd be surprised if it's over $12K, even with ABS. Will it be faster than an ST? Yes. Will it be lighter? Probably. Will it be 'better'?

We'll have to see, but I seriously doubt that. For all its shortcomings the ST is a HONDA. One of its strongest attributes.

Excellent news for ST fans. The more serious competitors/alternatives there are to the ST, the sooner Honda may introduce a NEW ST. But as always, don't hold your breath. The ST was just redesigned 4 years ago. So it's not really that long in the tooth. And for all the new, zooty sport touring models from BMW, Yamaha and now Kawasaki, it still stacks up pretty well and can arguably be considered superior to those bikes for a few reasons. Very subjective stuff, exceedlingly small niche market. And nobody understands that better than Honda.

[tccox]

PatientCad

This article
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=3746&Page=1

Says to expect pricing between the FJR and the K1200GT which would put it in $15-$17 range.

[Tor]

Paul!

Don't make me drool... the kids get the wrong idea! :-)

Mark

I can visualize that bike, instead of a Zuke DL650. :D Although it looks like the KLR seat is ultra uncomfortable.....

[allandry]

One of the guys on the COG forum has posted pics from the dealer meeting where the Concours 14 was unveiled. Here they are if interested...
Al

[allandry]

Here are a few more...

[willd]

I've owned three previous kawi's (2 as track bikes and one as a street bike) prior to owning my ST. I've been a die-hard kawi fan all my life, but they didn't have anything to compete with the ST when I was shopping....

Until now.... Unless Honda makes some drastic changes by '09 to the ST, I'll be looking at replacing it with an '09 Concours. (not '08...wait for the bugs to get worked out.)

[nm6r]

The bags might be a decent size. In one picture they look huge, in another they look kind of shallow, especially at the top. It's hard to tell.

It looks like it won't have a problem with hot fairing pockets.

It looks like it could use lower and/or adjustable bars.

Time will tell. It will be interesting when they finally hit the street. I wonder if they will be an early 2008 release? (sometime actually in 2007).

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[ST13Fred]

I fell in love w/the Kaw ZX-11 back in 94-95 when they offered the bike in a black/silver combo w/polished aluminum wheels. Even at 3k RPM the bike sounded like an F-1 race car w/solid leanier ST-like power. Man, that bike was a scortcher, even at a red light. Now......... a Concours 14 in that get-up............Honda who??

They say release after Mar, before June 07.

:04biker: :)

[Scaredy Cat]

I've owned three previous kawi's (2 as track bikes and one as a street bike) prior to owning my ST. I've been a die-hard kawi fan all my life, but they didn't have anything to compete with the ST when I was shopping....

Until now.... Unless Honda makes some drastic changes by '09 to the ST, I'll be looking at replacing it with an '09 Concours. (not '08...wait for the bugs to get worked out.)

Ditto.
I'm very very very tempted, but I'll wait to see what the power delivery is like. Twin butterflies? Kawasakis have a reputation for a top-end rush of power, which is nice, but not at the expense of low-end driveability for touring. I might have to get one to go alongside the ST.... :rolleyes:
And I'll wait until there's a Russell seat being made for it. The screen looks quite narrow in one of the pics.

[Steve M]

This is cool, but for me, the ST is plenty. To echo some others, I would like less weight and better mileage. I would trade HP to get it. But I know that isn't the way that Honda, or any other mfg is going to go because practical = no sales in America.

I picked up my '04 with 3,650 miles for $9,000 early this year. So essentially, I have an ST for a Connie-range price.

I do not believe Honda will run out and update the ST in responcse to this. For one thing, we often overlook worldwide sales and focus on our little market where motocycles are most often toys, not transportation. America has a lot of riders, but once you eliminate the bar hopping cruiser crowd, our numbers are too small in the overall scheme of things to drive product design.

Secondly, Honda is stubborn. I think they believe that their bikes are "right" and we should be smart enough to recognize it. They don't chase trends, even at the expense of short term sales.

Thirdly, within Honda itself, motorcycles, and particularly the American market, are becoming less and less important. honda wants to stay ahead of the Chinese and Koreans in their most important product line (cars) and will run out ahead of them, challenging established manufacturesr in jets, but I'm guessing that they can smell the motorcycle market becoming more fragmented as these competitors introduce models at prices that Honda can't possibly match.

Honda will be with us for a long time, but hoping for a lot of new product activity to suit our tastes is probably a bad bet.

[BigTom]

Quote by Steve M
Honda will be with us for a long time, but hoping for a lot of new product activity to suit our tastes is probably a bad bet.

I am going to respectfully disagree.

1. This is a Marque market. The big dogs fight in this market. Just check the MC mags. Darn near every one has a Sport Tourer article in it.

2. The US market has nothing to do with it. If the ST were strictly a US product, we probably wouldn't have it(MOL 2500 units). Pan Euro is a big seller.

3. Honda suddenly has much the oldest of the whole group. With the possibility that KTM/Polaris will bring a ST to the table in 07/08, also. Honda does not like to be 5th at anything.

Does that mean I expect them to change radically for 2008? Maybe:) I could do the Waffle House 500, too:)

[Mellow]

Looks great... the COG guys have been waiting a long time for something truly new.. some will love it and some will probably hate it and keep their rides for a while or even convert to an ST.

Horsepower seems to be the big target these days w/sport tourers or with anything for that matter..

I think it's cool, but I also think it's too much like an FJR, not sure what the riding position is.

[Mike]

I'm with Joe on this one. The Kawi looks to compete withthe FJR, more in line with the SPORT touring side of the coin, for two up sport touring the ST is still the best out there for rider and pillion comfort.

I've got my eye on a Ducati, dead sexy they are, Viagra on two wheels and my dealer offers test rides and good deals.....no Honda dealer around here will let you take a test ride.

Back to the Kawi, the company has always been a performance leader and has good motors, finish has never been as good as Honda.

If I was looking for a replacement for the ST the Kawi would be it.

[patentcad]

Kawasaki is going up-market with this bike if it is going to be in that Honda ST price range. It will be interesting to see how this bike performs. I suppose it will unfold over the next year or so...

[Scaredy Cat]

Hmmm, where's the top-box? Maybe not designed yet.
Fairing pockets? I guess that space is taken up with THAT ENGINE!
I don't like the pannier strips. Here's a picture of an open pannier I found on the web somewhere. Looks OK-ish size. Hope the topbox doesn't end up following the same styling cues though.
The ABS ring looks cheapo, but Kawasaki just doesn't have Honda build quality. I've been a Kawasaki rider up until the ST (and still am).
Can't wait to find out what it's like two-up fully laden with a top box. 190mph speed wobble anyone?
Tyre pressure monitoring - yummy.
My better half's opinion is "That won't turn heads riding down the street like the Honda does". Doh!

[Mellow]

I haven't followed the ZX-14 much but it just looks like one of those but with bags right? Is that the only difference? Kinda like putting bags on a CBR1000RR and calling it a VFR or ST right?

The Connie and the ST have always been sport touring with a utilitarian point of view... meaning storage and weather protection... No offense to Kawasaki or Yamaha but this and the FJR appear to be a sport bike with bags which is great if your primary focus is on performance.

I just hope Honda doesn't forget the 'touring' aspect of this segment and focus too much on the 'my bike is bigger than your bike' mentality.

[steve3b3]

I've got my sport-touring bike. I'd like a dual-sport next, and that KLR is looking sweeet!

Steve:04biker:

[Ken]

I haven't followed the ZX-14 much but it just looks like one of those but with bags right? Is that the only difference? Kinda like putting bags on a CBR1000RR and calling it a VFR or ST right?
It seems there is a bit more to it: adjustable windshield, tire pressure sensors, ABS, shaft drive, six speed, KI-PASS, glove box in fuel tank cover, accessory outlet, etc. Looks like all the amenities of a sport tourer to me...and some that would be nice on the ST13. The dry weight of the stock ZX-14 is just 474. I'm betting this new Connie will be considerably lighter than most sport tourers.

[Scaredy Cat]

I haven't followed the ZX-14 much but it just looks like one of those but with bags right? Is that the only difference? Kinda like putting bags on a CBR1000RR and calling it a VFR or ST right?

The Connie and the ST have always been sport touring with a utilitarian point of view... meaning storage and weather protection... No offense to Kawasaki or Yamaha but this and the FJR appear to be a sport bike with bags which is great if your primary focus is on performance.

I just hope Honda doesn't forget the 'touring' aspect of this segment and focus too much on the 'my bike is bigger than your bike' mentality.

Mellow,
I agree. The ST seems to be a lot more integrated with it's luggage, although it looks butt ugly without the side bags on IMO. There are very few bikes out there which are actually designed to work with bags from the word go.
I tried finding luggage for my ZX12, which is now somehow being classed as a "sports tourer" over here :???: . They don't exist. And if the surface temperature of that bike's huge exhaust is anything to go by, I wouldn't recommend putting your chocolate bars in the bottom of the GTR14's right hand pannier.....

[AZST]

Great looking bike.

Does the shield move up and down??? I can't tell.

I'll be keeping my ST though.

--Bryan
04ST1300A
:04biker:

[Mellow]

It seems there is a bit more to it: adjustable windshield, tire pressure sensors, ABS, shaft drive, six speed, KI-PASS, glove box in fuel tank cover, accessory outlet, etc. Looks like all the amenities of a sport tourer to me...and some that would be nice on the ST13. The dry weight of the stock ZX-14 is just 474. I'm betting this new Connie will be considerably lighter than most sport tourers.

True... gotta hate it when so many options are out there.. Maybe I'm just jealous?

[Scaredy Cat]

It seems there is a bit more to it: adjustable windshield, tire pressure sensors, ABS, shaft drive, six speed, KI-PASS, glove box in fuel tank cover, accessory outlet, etc. Looks like all the amenities of a sport tourer to me...and some that would be nice on the ST13. The dry weight of the stock ZX-14 is just 474. I'm betting this new Connie will be considerably lighter than most sport tourers.

Aaaaah, so that's a glove box/pocket... nice. I'd be interested to see how big it is, given Kawa's liking for cavenrous ram-air airboxes. I'm assuming the airbox/intake is a part of the monocoque frame.

Here's a thing - ZX12's came factory-fitted with a load of frame-shotblast in the airbox - on the DOWNSTREAM side of the filter. I opened mine after 50 miles from new and hoovered it all out, then greased the inside of the box to catch any straggling particles. Quality control? ZX (all models) reliability history is good for some reason though, maybe because they usually get totalled before they get to six digits?

[Blrfl]

Does that mean I expect them to change radically for 2008? Maybe:) I could do the Waffle House 500, too:)

It doesn't seem like anyone's considering the possibility that Honda might leave the ST alone and build a bored-out, bagged-out version of the CBR1000RR. Or the NSF100. :)

--Mark

[Mellow]

It doesn't seem like anyone's considering the possibility that Honda might leave the ST alone and build a bored-out, bagged-out version of the CBR1000RR.

--Mark

A new Blackbird? That would raise some eyebrows.

[Scaredy Cat]

I'm with Joe on this one. The Kawi looks to compete withthe FJR, more in line with the SPORT touring side of the coin, for two up sport touring the ST is still the best out there for rider and pillion comfort.

I've got my eye on a Ducati, dead sexy they are, Viagra on two wheels and my dealer offers test rides and good deals.....no Honda dealer around here will let you take a test ride.

Back to the Kawi, the company has always been a performance leader and has good motors, finish has never been as good as Honda.

If I was looking for a replacement for the ST the Kawi would be it.

Mike,
999 is nice, but on all Ducs check the service requirements for the belt driven desmodromic cams and get a quote for a service unless you're a very keen, skilled, patient, home mechanic.

[sherob]

It doesn't seem like anyone's considering the possibility that Honda might leave the ST alone and build a bored-out, bagged-out version of the CBR1000RR. Or the NSF100. :)

--Mark

See post 43 :rolleyes:

[patentcad]

The Pan-European is a 'big seller'? Really? I was in Germany and England for two weeks last summer. Zero sightings. Two weeks in Athens and Greece this summer. Zero sightings. 1000cc and 600cc sport bikes? I saw hundreds. All over the place, all manufacturers. THOSE are big sellers.

Sport Touring bikes are NICHE MARKET specialty bikes. Period. Worldwide. Anyone who thinks this is a big priority for Honda is not only kidding themselves, but ignoring the 12-13 years they waited to redesign the ST1100 into the ST1300. Why that would change now remains to be seen.

If I'm wrong, great. In the meantime you want something newer or different you can buy a Yamaha FJR 1300 or this new Kawasaki. And by the time you've had it with your detour from Mother Honda they'll have a new ST for you to come back into the fold with. After 2010.

[allandry]

Looks great... the COG guys have been waiting a long time for something truly new.. some will love it and some will probably hate it and keep their rides for a while or even convert to an ST.

Horsepower seems to be the big target these days w/sport tourers or with anything for that matter..



I'm thinking COG will be split - those who are Kawi fans and have long wanted an updated sport-tourer. And the others who are as you say in another post "ulitilitarian" - they're not likely to spring for a bike this expensive.

Might be a good investment strategy to pick up a few late-model, low-mileage Connies and put 'em away to sale in 2008 for the last of the die-hards. Others will likely move over to the ST1100/1300.

Me - I'm gonna wait till it's out a couple of years. I've always been worried about unforeseen new-model issues. Besides, it will take a least a year for the after-market to turn out farkles (how many of us leave our bikes stock???) I've got a feeling Murph will be pretty busy over the next few years - he's built a very good business supporting Connie owners with goodies...

Al

[Blrfl]

See post 43 :rolleyes:

Oopth. I always thought the engine in the 1100XX had a lot more in common with what was in the 600F3 rather than being a bored-out version of the 1000F, but I'd be more than happy to be corrected.

--Mark

[RTETR]

How sweet it is!

Yeppers, I like the looks, it will have power to boot and I would anticipate a price tag that will be in line with the other sport-tour bikes from Japan.

I doubt very much that Honda can afford to wait on an updated ST now. With the impact of BMW's new RT and still a new ST model set to hit North America next year, the FJR and now a new Concours mother Honda will be all but forced into a new ST. IMHO

The ST is in a growing sport-touring market segment and we can see that from the strong products being offered. As with everything, the better the market the better our choices will be.:headbang:

[sherob]

Oopth. I always thought the engine in the 1100XX had a lot more in common with what was in the 600F3 rather than being a bored-out version of the 1000F, but I'd be more than happy to be corrected.

--Mark

I'd be happy with either one :)

[Keendog42]

I've never found a bike that I could justify spending over 15K on but this one will change that if its so priced. If the production model is as good as they're saying it is I'll have a nice 06' ST for sale in the Spring.

[Scaredy Cat]

The Pan-European is a 'big seller'? Really? I was in Germany and England for two weeks last summer. Zero sightings. Two weeks in Athens and Greece this summer. Zero sightings. 1000cc and 600cc sport bikes? I saw hundreds. All over the place, all manufacturers. THOSE are big sellers.

Sport Touring bikes are NICHE MARKET specialty bikes. Period. Worldwide. Anyone who thinks this is a big priority for Honda is not only kidding themselves, but ignoring the 12-13 years they waited to redesign the ST1100 into the ST1300. Why that would change now remains to be seen.

If I'm wrong, great. In the meantime you want something newer or different you can buy a Yamaha FJR 1300 or this new Kawasaki. And by the time you've had it with your detour from Mother Honda they'll have a new ST for you to come back into the fold with. After 2010.

Patentcad,
They are few and far between, but the guys I do meet tend to be older, experienced, very high mileage types. I met a couple this year who had done 6 months of touring in 2005. Eek! Sure you can tour on anything but IMO the ST is the best for what I want right now.
We were in southern Czech Republic earlier this year, and an American guy and his teenage kid in a car pulled up and said "Hi, how do you like the ST? Any problem with the heat?". This was while I was sat at the side of the road sweating like a bi*ch in leathers in 38 degrees C. I replied that the bike didn't have a problem but I did :-)

[BigBadblue]

It looks like a ugly copy of an FJR. Nothing there to even make me think about leaving the ST. The only recent experience with Kawasaki products has been with some friends new Kawi 4-stroke motocross bikes; very poor quality and very poor reliability, but very fast. Compared to the Yamaha YZ/WR 4 stroke dirt bikes they are unreliable pieces of junk that I would not even think about owning.
I will take the ST's small coolant leaks anytime. And besides the Kawi is not a V4, I dislike in-line 4's, that's what shot-down the FJR. I prefer Honda street bikes and Yamaha dirt bikes because of their robust construction, value and reliability.

[patentcad]

Patentcad,
They are few and far between, but the guys I do meet tend to be older, experienced, very high mileage types. I met a couple this year who had done 6 months of touring in 2005. Eek! Sure you can tour on anything but IMO the ST is the best for what I want right now.
We were in southern Czech Republic earlier this year, and an American guy and his teenage kid in a car pulled up and said "Hi, how do you like the ST? Any problem with the heat?". This was while I was sat at the side of the road sweating like a bi*ch in leathers in 38 degrees C. I replied that the bike didn't have a problem but I did :-)

That's also my experience. Particularly the 'few and far between' part....

[Keendog42]

My two previous bikes have been Kawasaki and I had no problems with either one of them. Though not as refined as the Honda they do have soul.

[bygdawg]

If it's half as good as the press is making it out to be, I'll be one of the guys that the ad refers to:

I have one.
You want one.
Are we done here?

Then again, things always tend to look a bit better on paper. Let see where she ends up at production time and how much Tour she packs along with her Sport. :03biker:

[Scaredy Cat]

So what am I missing here. What looks like a single piston rear caliper. There is a ABS sensor and ring but only one brake line going to the caliper. How they do that?

http://www.st-owners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13716&d=1159104623

Paul,
why not?
For one wheel, it's just a matter of modulating the pressure to one brake, so one hose should do?
Or am I missing something?

[patentcad]

The cafe racer version of this bike has 190 HP and weighs 475 lbs.

Can you imagine a sport touring bike with over 175hp that weighs 100+ lbs less than an ST? I can. They'll sell those...

[Mark]

Here are a few more...

I wondered if Al would be looking at this one... :-)

Any one figure out what the fittings are on the handlebars near the brake and clutch fluid? Are they for bleeding the clutch and brake? How does that work?
Must be a Kaw thing... :-)

Mark

[STratus]

Naked the thing is HOT! This would make an awesome street fighter!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/092306_concours_bottom.jpg




Slap a seat on the nekkid Connie 14 and you nearly have a Confederate (and I like the Confederates)

http://www.confederate.com/machines.php

[allandry]

I wondered if Al would be looking at this one... :-)

Mark

Mark - I started looking for my next bike the day after I bought the last one...:eek:

I am searching for the perfect bike (for me). It's a tough job, but I'm up to it.:rolleyes:

BTW - why hasn't anyone but BMW realized that electronic cruise control is a GOOD thing on a sport tourer??????? It seems to me that they'd offer it at least as an option?????

Al

[Putt]

The ST has plenty of power for my needs...
Does everything I want it to do...


Putt...

[LDR1]

Did I read it wrong on Motorcycle Daily.It is comming out between March and June of 07 this comming year ,just going to be called an 08 it is already on the UK Kawasaki sight.

LDR1:04biker:

[Austin city limits]

If I still owned,,, my ST??? I would not trade for this 1400 Concours...

If the ST was updated this year,,, I would probably end up with an ST over the 1400...

But,,, no bike,,, already rode the ST 22,600 miles and always looking for a "New" ride??? How do I NOT,,, end up buying the 1400???

I am still thinking about it but,,, the 1400 is very tempting... V E R Y,,, tempting I say... Though,,, I need a 1400 in my garage no later than April 1st... If it is June??? I am not sure I can wait that long,,, and would be ending up with a used ST or BMW I think...

[saaz]

Choices, choices. Lucky the ST11 does all I want, so I will have to work hard on justifying something else..the approach others take is the write off their ST!!

[sickchilly]

I have never seen an ABS system that did not have two lines to the calipers.
Paul

Paul, it's probably just your luck that you've only seen ABS systems with more than one piston (pot) per caliper. You have one line per pot typically or at least a connection for them. May be only one feeder line which is then jumped over at the caliper.

It's is entirely possible for a braking system to have only one line per caliper and still have four wheel ABS. In fact, this is how most automotive systems are.

A great site for information on stuff like this which breaks things down into easy to understand terms, text and illustrations:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/anti-lock-brake.htm

[tdeboeser]

I'll think I'll wait to see how many stay together...

( but it is very tempting).


Tom de

[chiller]

not that i dislike my ST but man i just bought my ST 4 months ago....why didn't they have this available when i bought my bike....

[Chris Parker]

Link to more Pictures of new Connie here:

http://imageevent.com/capete/bikephotos/2007dealershow/2207kawasaki

Thanks to BMWSporttouring.com!

[bygdawg]

It looks to me as if they skimpped a bit on fairing protection.

[jeffmiller]

Great looking bike. From looking at all the pictures and reading articles here's what I see......

PRO - Great air movement pattern around the engine and away from you.
PRO - Tank storage bin for small items
PRO - One exhaust line means lighter bike
PRO - PROXIMITY KEY PASS! VERY NICE!!!
PRO - Gear Position Indicator!!!
PRO - SIX SPEED
PRO - Someone at Kaw thought about the turbulence problem with the windscreen and engineered a cut out to reduce that.


CON - No left and right front fairing pocket storage.
CON - The hazard light switch is in a weird spot


If those are the only CONS, I have to say I LIKE that bike!

Jeff

[Mark]

Most sport bikes have bleed valves on the master cylinders nowdays.

Paul

Thanks Paul.

Mark

[sherob]

UNKNOWN - Fuel capacity :rolleyes:

[Mark]

Great looking bike. From looking at all the pictures and reading articles here's what I see......

---Pro's snipped---

CON - No left and right front fairing pocket storage.
CON - The hazard light switch is in a weird spot
--snip--

Jeff

Let me see...
Put a cell phone in the ST Left fairing pocket... get a new cell phone... or just use it as a small oven. And the right pocket is kind of small...

How often do you have to use the hazard lights? I have hit the hazard switch on the ST1300 when resetting the ODO and when trying to change the light intensity in the evening...

Not CONs to me... But then again I have a perfectly good 1100.. :-)

Mark

[Chris Parker]

PRO - SIX SPEED

Regardless of what others may think about the sixth gear, I would welcome it. I have often found myself in 5th gear reaching to shift up one more (my R1150RT had a 6th gear, essentially an overdrive, and it was much appreciated by me). Brings down the RPMs as well, improving fuel consumption a little.

6 gears seems to be the norm these days in this class (save for the FJR and ST1300). Wonder if Honda and Yamaha will join the rest on the next update/upgrade?

Chris

[NCSam]

Chris ... Thanks for the extra pictures. The Kawasaki is now my "Wallpaper".

Almost pulled the trigger on an FJR couple weeks ago but glad I didn't. I'm thinking the Kaw may just be my next bike. Anxious to read the specs. Obviously, weight/price/fit/finish/handling will all be major factors. The ST1300 is just too heavy for my style riding.

Lots of pro comments on the COG forum.

[sherob]

It's all the rage... :D

http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/746368/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

[Chris Parker]

...let me throw this thing into a corner and see what she will do!

If the ST is too heavy for you, I'd hate to try and keep up with you on either the FJR or new Concours! :eek:

Chris



Chris ... Thanks for the extra pictures. The Kawasaki is now my "Wallpaper".

Almost pulled the trigger on an FJR couple weeks ago but glad I didn't. I'm thinking the Kaw may just be my next bike. Anxious to read the specs. Obviously, weight/price/fit/finish/handling will all be major factors. The ST1300 is just too heavy for my style riding.

Lots of pro comments on the COG forum.

[Geoff]

SEE POST 104 kewl looking bike.....things I didn't like from the pictures I've seen...back end lower fender treatment is awful...exhaust system needs some more design to look good..also don't see a centerstand

things I liked

hold down straps in the saddlebags....great idea
tire pressure monitor..great idea
6 speeds..we can all use another gear

great looking bike they will sell them out....

[Mellow]

One pic I saw sure looked like it had a centerstand...

I'm curious what the price is too.... any guesses? If they hit it right between the FJR and ST it's probably gonna pull a lot of guys from both camps over the the "Green Team".. :scared2:

[jdpfms]

After looking at all the pics, I like it a lot. I like the two tone seat too. Questions I will have about it before jumping from my 04 ST would be: 1) How are the ergonomics? 2) Is there any tip over protection or any spots for aftermarket to address this (don't plan to drop, but like the protection the ST has esp. with the rear tip over bars now available. 3) Inside pannier capacity looks very small-need to look at this too. 4) How is the heat management? 5) Will it use reg. fuel and capacity? 6) How easy is it to service by myself? 6) Will that trick center case hold enought to not need a tankbag? Oh yeah, thank you Kawasaki for not going the way of BMW with Canbus, servo assist, etc.

JDP

[Mellow]

After looking at all the pics, I like it a lot. I like the two tone seat too. Questions I will have about it before jumping from my 04 ST would be: 1) How are the ergonomics? 2) Is there any tip over protection or any spots for aftermarket to address this (don't plan to drop, but like the protection the ST has esp. with the rear tip over bars now available. 3) Inside pannier capacity looks very small-need to look at this too. 4) How is the heat management? 5) Will it use reg. fuel and capacity? 6) How easy is it to service by myself? 6) Will that trick center case hold enought to not need a tankbag? Oh yeah, thank you Kawasaki for not going the way of BMW with Canbus, servo assist, etc.

JDP

Lots of good points.... :popcorn

[BigTom]

I see a center stand. Factory LH pic, it's pretty clear.

I like the gear indicator, 5 or 6 speed doesn't make much difference, it's how you get to the powerband. I suspect 6 speed means a narrower than ST powerband.

BTW, the ST is overdriven in 5th gear. .88 ratio. I find it just about perfect, don't get to the powerband (4000RPM) until 80 mph.

[sherob]

ZX-14 uses 90 octane min... so I would bet the same here ;)

[curmudgeon]

I read a test of the ZX-14 in which the testor said that it put off a very uncomfortable amount of heat. So I guess time and testing will tell if the Concours will have this problem.

I can't wait to see this thing in December at the Seattle show.

[MidLife]

Oh yeah, thank you Kawasaki for not going the way of BMW with Canbus, servo assist, etc.

JDP

The article (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185401&postcount=52)from post 52 suggests the CAN bus is being used.

Quote:

The instrumentation utilizes a CAN (Controller Area Network) interface to reduce the number of necessary wire connections while increasing the amount of available data to be transmitted.

[UNTMatt]

Funny how it seems so many are ready and willing to dump their ST to hop on board the new Connie. A completely new bike that has NO relation to the old one exept for name. A bike that has yet to be proven and is not even offered for sale yet. One that may or may not be able to handle the power given to it, be reliable, comfortable (all aspects), or have low maintanence requirements.

Just playing a little devil's advocate here. If it turns out to be the right bike for you, more power to ya. This thread just seems to be a little too much speculation and not enough facts.

[rosast1300]

I'm lusting after it too. I must admit it has a fresh look, which dare I say, may possibly appeal to younger buyers. I keep telling my wife that it looks like my next bike, although I'm still anxious to see how it rides. Kawasaki is usually a little rougher around the edges, but I'm more curious about handling, fuel range, and rider comfort.

[Putt]

A sportbike in sheep's clothing...

Putt...

[Louie Louie]

I sure hope they have it at the upcoming Cycleworld shows! One thing is for sure, whenever I encounter a Connie, the riders are usually very friendly, unlike "other" bikes.

[Austin city limits]

Connie riders are the same DNA as the ST guys,,, I am telling you!!! HEY!!! I Know Things!!! :)

[Blrfl]

Oh yeah, thank you Kawasaki for not going the way of BMW with Canbus...

Don't be so quick to diss the CAN bus. From a practical standpoint, it's a good thing. The first R12GS owners didn't understand the ramifications of having CAN on the bike, proceeded on the assumption that everything was the same as it used to be and got their shorts in a knot when things didn't work as expected.

BMW's implementation of CAN multiplexes the bus onto the DC power lines. This effectively reduces the entire harness to DC supply wiring and whatever individual parts weren't worth giving their own CAN hardware. (In cars those are usually on short lines to the nearest CAN-enabled module.) The net result is considerable weight savings, reduction in complexity increase in reliability and, with the proper equipment, easier troubleshooting. If the ECM wants the tach to read 4500 RPM, it gets on the bus and tells it so. Unlike non-CAN bikes, it's very practical to throw a recorder under the seat and capture what goes on during a ride -- everything from throttle position to whether or not the right turn signal was getting blinked.

As I understand it, the accessory socket on the R12GS is smarter than your average Powerlet: each has a CAN receiver that listens for messages on the bus that accessories should be turned on and off and switches the 12V on and off as required. You can connect one to any point on the electrical system and, because the bus data is available, it will turn itself on when the ECM decides accessories should be on and off several minutes after the engine is shut off, all with zero additional wiring. The GS owners, unaware of this, plugged their chargers into accessory sockets that were disconnected and found their batteries weren't getting charged. The BMW charger worked just fine, and lots of people floated theories that Munich was trying to soak them for an expensive charger that would "authenticate" itself to the bike as being genuine BMW. The fact is that their charger simply tells the socket to turn on through the outboard side so current will flow to the battery. In other words, it was designed with an understanding of how the bike works. The GS owners eventually figured out that they could use their battery tenders by running lines directly to the battery.

The key thing to remember is that for most manufacturers, the world doesn't extend beyond things with their own part numbers. On some level BMW knows that some of their customers are using Deltrans to charge their batteries, but it's one of those "we know it but can't bring ourselves to admit it in public" sort of things. Same as how Honda probably believes we're all using Honda fluids.

I'd imagine that had the Internet existed when the first bikes with electrical systems appeared, there'd be all manner of archived posts about all of the newfangled, unnecessary technology...

--Mark

[Burger]

Hm, what an interesting bike and discussion.

Personally I feel the exhaust is plain ugly and the saddlebags, like the FJR's and BMW's an afterthought... "Here's the new design sir", "Gee, you forgot the saddlebags", "Damn, you're right, hand me that pen would ya". :D

Those to one side though, I reckon it will be a bike that presents the first real competition to the ST and FJR providing it's priced right.

Yep... this is gonna be interesting...

:popcorn

[allandry]

Connie riders are the same DNA as the ST guys,,, I am telling you!!! HEY!!! I Know Things!!! :)


Are you suggesting Mixon and I are RELATED?!?!?!?!?!?! :eek:

[Blrfl]

Are you suggesting Mixon and I are RELATED?!?!?!?!?!?! :eek:

Hey, we're all at least 50th cousins...

--Mark

[CruisingDog]

Looks like same basic shape as a ST!


Weird that is't it ? Having 2 wheels and all!! ;-)

[CruisingDog]

A good thing about new competitors is that Honda will come up with some new ideas for the ST to keep up with the Joneses!


You know what Kawasaki is really saying:

"Yeah, those guys at Honda, BMW and Yamaha have really got the right idea and we better get in on the action before everyone else realizes how good Honda, BMW and Yamaha Sports tourers are!!'.

Basically it's confirmation that the market is changing to our trail-blazing ways!

[Mark]

Are you suggesting Mixon and I are RELATED?!?!?!?!?!?! :eek:

Wow... I didn't know... Thanks for breaking this news to us ACL...

Mark

[rasputin]

I really like the look..but why did they put the old vacuum cleaners on the end of the exhaust pipes?

[Herleman]

They had a couple on display here in Daytona. The rep said that the final version will have a couple of changes over the pre-production show models. Among the changes that we discussed was the muffler. He said that the show model would probaly not make it to the production model. He also indicated that the plastic "thing" on the top of the tank would not be there at all, and that there may be a slightly different seat.

[Vbird]

I saw the pre-production model they had in Atlanta.Overall I liked it ,however,the rear end was really strange(even more than the ST).Very small tail light,and a large bulge of black plastic between the light and the rear fender.The rep said it uses the same variable valve timing as Caddy has been using.
After hearing some ZX11-12 owners talk about short tire life(normal riding) I wonder if the 14 would make a great long distance mount.
The Guzzi Norge was sweeet!

[STOnkin'aussie]

I welcome the entry of this bike into our market - as with almost all things, competition is the ultimate motivator - the marketing guys at Honda will be scheduling midnight meetings with the R & D guys - you can bet on it.

[curmudgeon]

I welcome the entry of this bike into our market - as with almost all things, competition is the ultimate motivator - the marketing guys at Honda will be scheduling midnight meetings with the R & D guys - you can bet on it.

Agreed. Nothing like competition to improve the breed.

Phil

[sherob]

More specs are coming out... 5.8 gallon tank, 3yr unlimited mileage warranty, 100lbft torque @ 6200rpm... still no seat height yet :rolleyes:

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=220&content=specifications

[Herleman]

As long as they don't go to the horrible green color that is on their race bikes, this should be a winner.

Its a great looking bike.

I'll sure enjoy riding my ST with them.

[S2000-Dave]

Nice looking bike!,,,I'm sure the engine will be de-tuned,,but by how much?

[STrep]

Has there been an update about the release date? In the US and in Canada?

[sherob]

Summer this year... :rolleyes:

[P-Diddy]

I like the inverted forks and wave rotor look.
If they cut 5" off the muffler it will be fine :capwin:

[naturally wired]

More specs are coming out... 5.8 gallon tank, 3yr unlimited mileage warranty, 100lbft torque @ 6200rpm... still no seat height yet :rolleyes:

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=220&content=specifications



Claimed torque at 6200 rpm's.........(not rear wheel)

ZX14...rear wheel torque=105.3lb's at 7750rpms!

FJR1300..RWT=87.8lb's at 5800rpms

ST1300...85.3 lb's at 6500 rpms

New Concours with Tetra-Lever shaft drive???? ...88lbs anyone :-D .....or less :eek:

I wonder how it will handle with two up or full bags looks to me its up 4"s over the ST1300 in the back to me?

I bet its a lot faster in a straight line though..........:burnout

[bygdawg]

Some shots from the 07 IMS in Atlanta:

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9330

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9331

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9332

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9333

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9334

This looks a bit like a cluster muck, if you ask me:

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9335

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9336

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9337

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9338

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9339

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9340

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9341

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9342

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9343

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9344

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9345

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9346

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9347

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9348

http://pics.midsouthspyders.com/listpics.asp?a=dl&ID=9349

[naturally wired]

Great shots!!

You guy's can really see what I'm talking about from these....see how high up the rear is, bags and the pillon area??? ....center of gravity past the rear wheel is way up in the air....the bags even look like they are completely above the rear tire????

[Spencer]

Claimed torque at 6200 rpm's.........(not rear wheel)

ZX14...rear wheel torque=105.3lb's at 7750rpms!

FJR1300..RWT=87.8lb's at 5800rpms

ST1300...85.3 lb's at 6500 rpms

New Concours with Tetra-Lever shaft drive???? ...88lbs anyone :-D .....or less :eek:

I wonder how it will handle with two up or full bags looks to me its up 4"s over the ST1300 in the back to me?

I bet its a lot faster in a straight line though..........:burnout


I sat on it at Daytona, seems to be the same height as the ST and FJR with the adjustability, but the seat is weird shaped and wide at the front, made it
hard to comfortably reach at a stop, my stubbby little legs have no problem on the ST, I was barely on my toes on the 14?
As a package I was so uninspired and disspointed in the new Connie that I didn't take a single pic. It seemed thrown together and parts were almost
cartoonish. Looked like a prop for a Power Rangers movie. Liked the
headlight, and that's about it. Hope they change alot before production.
Rule of thumb for shaft drive power transfer is 5% loss for every 90% turn.
So the 14 looses at least 10% there. The rep. said 135 hp, but he knew
little, or was willing to share little info.
Oh and the bags.......now that's one fat :butt1:

Spencer

[bygdawg]

This shaft system is supposed to be a new design that allows for more HP to be retained. We'll see though...

[naturally wired]

I read that it reduces driveline lash.....but I'm thinking two CV joints instead of one has got to cost you HP and Torque!

[Rob Hephner]

Looks like possible summer delivery now.

Time will tell.

[bygdawg]

Several dealers are taking pre-orders at this point, but I had one rep tell me that he wouldn't expect anything until July.

[STDean]

Last Saturday I rode by one for a few miles on the Ventura freeway with a California plate.

[bygdawg]

You mean the ZX 1400, right?

[KoroJ]

Our local Kawasaki dealer is expecting one in about a week at NZ$23,995 RRP.

The ST retails here for NZ$23,395 but a couple of shops recently dropped them to NZ$20,495. So looks like they will be similar price to ST & FJR.

[bygdawg]

You'll have to let us know if it actually makes it on time.