When do you realize it's time?

[JReviere]

When do you realize it's time to quit riding and do something else?

Comments Please. No canned answers because I'm sure there are far too many reasons than there is room for canned answers.

JR

[Mellow]

I tried to quit a few years ago.. decided I had too many people that depended on me and taking chances that might end in my demise would leave them in a situation that if I were still around, would sadden me a great deal.

So, I bought a jeep and decided that would be my new motorcycle so to speak.. how much different can it be? Take the top down and it's almost like a bike right? Nope, after my first real trip I decided it wasn't time yet and that I needed to enjoy this sport a little longer.

I'm not sure when I'll stop... I'm not was lucky as many here, I only began in '99 so I feel like I have a lot of catching up to do.

I would say when I feel I physically can't keep the bike up at stops due to knee or other physical issues or medical conditions which might make me more dangerous to others than myself, I probably should stop.

I know that when that point comes, it will be a very difficult decision, I can only assume you asked because you are wrestling with this choice and you know that bike or not, you've always got family here.

[Herleman]

Perhaps it comes when you realize you are repeatedly making stupid mistakes that you know better than to make and you don't know why you are making them.

Or when you have no problem with finding things that you "need" to do other than riding (e.g., "I was going to go riding this afternoon, but I really need to pull a weed or two from around the shrubs so I better stay home and do that till dark, and everybody knows you shouldn't ride after dark, so I guess I'll put off riding till tomorrow, unless it looks like rain tomorrow." etc. etc.).

[Styles]

Your age and signature, together with your inquiry, hint already at your clear capacity for wise deliberation.

Though I can't speak to your own circumstances, I'd think your decision will turn mostly on desire.

I attended a conference yesterday where energetic young academics spoke a language I acquired by habit long ago, but I mostly refrained from adding my $.02 worth.

Although I like the game still, I felt like sitting on the sidelines -- actually thinking I should've been riding had our sun been out.

Someday I suspect the feeling will attach to the ST.

But, happily, not quite yet.

Styles

[ToroGuy]

J.R.,

IMO, when to sell the last MC and stow away the helmet the last time is a personal decision based on the individual's discomfort / uneasyness with continuing to ride. Depends on strength, eyesight, reaction time, concentration, etc.

When I worked at a Honda dealer in college, I sold a CB175 to an 85 year old first time rider (rather he came in with his 60 something daughter and demanded to buy the bike). I got him set up with helmet and gloves, taught him the basics of rider (before the days of professional rider training) and saw him tooling around town the next year I was there.

[Medicine Bear]

As someone who knows you somewhat more from personal experience than from your posts I'll give you my 2 pesos:

Short answer: It's not your time yet.

Long answer: My mom lived to get in her car and go. Just go - didn't matter where. When she got to the point where it looked like she was going to miss stop signs on a regular basis or hit the curb for the fourth time that month, I had the unenviable task of telling her it was time to quit. She didn't want to hear it but she knew I was right. I think you'll know when the time is right. Just don't let your love of riding overide your common sense.

I've followed you, you've followed me, and I've ridden with you in your truck many times. I think you've got at least a few more years.

Fred :03biker:

[Craig]

If I was 76 and still riding I would honestly be thrilled. I think that is wild and it probably keeps you young and energetic. If I were you, I would only quit if I was not a safe rider anymore or the physical demands were expanding and slowing you down in everyday life.
But,
That said, I think 76 is probably the old 66!
People do so many things now that our parents or grandparents would never have attempted.
Take Care
Craig:)

[mister_bill]

I recently saw a picture and a short write-up of a well known (in BMW circles) lady in her eighties. She had just ridden her BMW to Hyder Alaska. It was mentioned how many miles she had ridden the past year. I don't remember the exact mileage, but it was much more than my total for the past year. The lady's name is Ardys (sp?). I am sure she would show up on a google search.

One of my brother's riding partners rode to Alaska a couple of years ago with a gentleman in his eighties.

I expect that I will know when to quit by the fact I am no longer enjoying riding or that I have become a danger to myself or others.

[HankSTer]

Hey JR,
alot of examples already indicating age... isn't really the answer. Now this may sound like a canned answer, but I think it's spot on.

we'll quit (barring crashes etc ofcourse), when it's no longer a passion, whatever age that may be.

Is that how you're feeling? the "thrill is gone" type thing?

Regards,

[sherob]

+1 on Fred's answer... if you are asking this now, you know it isn't time yet. When you stop asking and others voice their concern, it's time ;) Get a Burgman or the like if you must ride and don't feel you can muscle around a bigger bike. :)

[curmudgeon]

I have considered packing it in and I'm 11/12 years younger then you JR. I just can't quite do it though. I'm still strong and physically fit, but don't have the cojones to ride as fast as I used to. I intend to buy a two seat open top sports car when I sell the ST, but think I'd really miss riding.

Phil

[mandorrr3]

JR: Interesting. I had the same question running around in my head last year as i was considering buying my ST and starting to ride again after 40 years of being a cager. I am 68 last Oct. I asked a friend of mine (who is 75 and still riding) the same question. His answer was "when I'm too old to ride 2 wheels, I'll buy a trike"
Mandorrr3 :D :D

[BigTom]

Interesting question, JR

My riding buddy will be 74 next month. The passion for the ride is still strong in him. I don't know when he'll quit, I'm guessing it'll be a while. I am sure there will be a Bergman and a Trike before then. He's been riding 60 years now, his skills are fine. He's had a (small) problem with his vision, I put in more time in front than I am comfortable with.

Dick Seng just sold (is selling) his last ST and is now on a Bergman.

I guess my point is...it's up to you. If you want to ride and can ride, why not? If you are done, then be done.

You might want to ask yourself a question that a wise man gave to me. It has helped me at more than one crossroads.

"What's the worst that can happen, and how bad is that, really?"

Thanks for asking us. It takes a fair amount of gizzard to do that.

[Bones]

There's a lot of good insight here. Hopefully I'm decades away from making that kind of decision. I expect the reason for me, eventually, will be either (a) I no longer enjoy riding or (b) I no longer am confident in my ability to ride competently and safely.

It's hard to imagine (a) being the reason. Perhaps it will be me who realizes that (b) is approaching, or perhaps a fellow rider who knows me and cares about me will call it to my attention.

In my view, JR, this is a question that hinges on how well you know yourself and how honest you can be with the guy in the mirror. Do you have the physical and mental acuity to ride safely? Is the joy of riding still there for you?

Hopefully the answer to both questions is still "yes." The fact that you're asking the question at all suggests to me that the joy is still there.

[Brighteyesue]

I have considered packing it in and I'm 11/12 years younger then you JR. I just can't quite do it though. I'm still strong and physically fit, but don't have the cojones to ride as fast as I used to.

Phil, I dont ride as fast as I used to either. Then I decided - I don't have to :D There is nothing wrong with goin slow and steady and safe.

[Jefro]

An old friend recently sold his Goldwing and quit riding. I was rather shocked since he is a real Ironbutt.
He said due to calcium deposits in his neck, he couldn't turn his head enough to look for traffic to the left and right. He knew it was time to sell.
He also said surgery was an option someday, but the thought of them going in the front of his throat to get to his neck was too unsettling to consider for now.:(

[JReviere]

Thanx for the comments folks. I knew where to look for level headed honest sincere comments. All comments are welcomed. Please keep them coming.

Some of you who were on the ST mail list about 4 or 5 years ago may remember, I thought I'd hit the end of the string when persistant dizziness (later found to be due to blood pressure medication) had me in constnat fear of falling off the bike every time I slowed to a stop. Two or three tumples in the mud convinced me.

It was a matter of months and I was back in the saddle working on non-chemical control of hypertension. Now over 60 pounds lighter, 10" less gut and no blood pressure pills, I don't have the dizzy problem, but I must admit, the ST is too big and too heavy for me to manage with comfort and a sense of security.

And there's another factor, I know this will cause heads to shake and eye brows to raise, plus there could be more than one howl... I HATE HAVING TO GET ALL GEARED UP JUST TO RIDE. I flew jets long enough to be accepting of physical danger and yes, helmets too, although I don't really like the things. But the rest of the gear... boots, jackets, gloves, heavy tear resistant pants, are all grossly uncomfortable to me. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE "GEAR". They kill the pleasure and prevent the feeling of uninhibited freedom of riding.

I have found in the last few years, this feeling set has increased almost to a level of a scream. Every time I see someone post ATGATT, I want to PUKE. It's so bad I have honestly made endless excuses to myself to avoid riding because I "know" I should wear protective gear. It's almost to the point, I'd rather not ride than to put an exoskeleton on my body.

I have to admit to an age related decrease in skill along with eye sight, balance, and DESIRE... Yes, the PASSION someone mentioned... It's not there as it once was.

I don't have any over arching physical, medical, or financial problems to prevent or impede riding, but I no longer have the compelling desire, the PASSION... I think I pretty much left that behind when for family reasons, I moved from the mountains to the piney woods... No mounatians. No twisties. No fun.

At this point too, I'm still in the 'DECIDING' stage. I'm in no hurry to decide. I'll take as long as it takes.

For now, I figure I'm about 80-20 ready to 'hang it up' and direct my residual energies in other direxions. But there is still the 20% chance I'll get some kind of 2 wheeler...

I thank all of you for your comments. For those who have yet to comment, please do.
JR

[Mellow]

Well, you could get a burgman or silverwing.. not near as heavy and more than capable. As far as the gear goes.. that's your choice whether we agree or not.

Let us know what you end up deciding..

[st_rider]

JR,
You and I have exchanged so many emails over the years and yet we have never met in person. Through all of our correspondence, it's almost like we have made many a ride together.

I somehow feel I have an appreciation for what you are going through as I have had several very close friends agonize over the same thing at different points in their (riding) life.

I was just talking to my wife this afternoon that someday I will find the ST too heavy and the V-STrom will likely replace the ST completely - simply due to it's much lighter weight. As I think I have mentioned before, my "other" sport-touring motorcycle is not even a motorcycle. A Honda S2000. It's amazing the thrill the "S" provides on 4 wheels. And one thing that you mentioned is the hassle of ATGATT that is not really a factor when in the S2000.

Just some food for thought.

BTW, I'm planning to be at CheapSTOC - how about you??

rod

[dond]

JR re: ATGATT. I feel as STrongly but opposite. JuST backing the bike out of where it lives or riding it back into that spot w/o riding gear I get an uneasy feeling.
I have taSTed hungry asphalt and didn't like it much.

[ChucksKLRST]

"""""""I don't have any over arching physical, medical, or financial problems to prevent or impede riding, but I no longer have the compelling desire, the PASSION... I think I pretty much left that behind when for family reasons, """"""""""

JR, if you have lost the passion, it is time to park the bike for a while. Last Aug. I had to decide if I was going to follow Doctors orders and stop riding due to prescription Blood thinners. So I went to WESTOC in a new Jeep Wrangler. Loved having the top off and not having to wear all the gear, How ever it was just not the same in the mountains of Colorado. (by the way, No body at WESTOC ever said or implied anything other than respect for my decision. When TEXSTOC came around, I rode the ST to TEXSTOC and enjoyed the ride. I decided I was not going to give up riding, just change my approach.
I understand that when there are no mountains and no curves and no up and down, riding the bike just to burn fuel is no fun. I take the jeep around town all the time,. It is more fun than riding my bike through town worrying if some fool is going to run into me. I WILL take the bike on an extended ride out of town and will ride my other bike back and forth to work. But I find the jeep to be a lot of fun for just running around Town doing errands on these warm/hot Texas days. I save my ST for the trips and use the jeep for local fun. In short, if it is not fun don't do it. Save the bike for special events like CheapSTOC etc. and getting together with ST friends. Find a 4 wheel substitute for every day STuff. Good luck with your decision and ride/drive safe. See you at CheapSTOC.

[STeve Kelly]

This is a timely thread.

My wife and I attended a memorial service for a friend of ours today that died recently. She was 60, same age as we are. Her death was sudden.

On the way home we talked about the fact that no one knows how long we have on this earth and how long we will enjoy good health.

We agreed that we would take more vacation time, see and do more new things and most of all, RIDE MORE NEW PLACES.

[Yogi]

When do you realize it's time to quit riding and do something else?

Comments Please. No canned answers because I'm sure there are far too many reasons than there is room for canned answers.

JR


For me I think it will be when I just physically can't do it anymore.. I feel if I get to the point where I am unsafe to myself and others by not being able to control the bike properly it will be time to hang it up. Of course if its just a matter of balance I would probably sidecar or trike my way down the road.

[Geoff]

:06biker: one of the alternatives is buying the can am spyder

http://spyder.brp.com/

its not quite a bike but a doable alternate so one can kepp riding in the open air atmosphere..I haven't gotten there yet but I may someday.

[rbs]

J.R.
I just moved into the East Texas area this year and only recently rode out into the piney woods, what a great feeling! Yep at 65 I still have the passion as some have refered to however I certainly have ask myself the same question.
This past summer I put over 20,000 miles on the ST and had at least two instances of brain freeze in which I could have been killed, and worse yet my wife was with me and would have suffered the same fate.
I find my attention wondering when I should be paying more attention. One of those times was in southern NC in some real twistys and quite a bit of traffic. I became interested in looking at a real estate sign and wondered into the wrong lane on a curve. My wife yelled and when I looked up a large dump truck was right in front of me! Now the good news is my reaction time was still there, so was able to avoid what would have been a serious mistake.
That evening laying in bed at the motel I really had to do some soul searching.
Here is where I am at, the Lord has allowed me to live a wonderful life up to this time, and I am amazed I am still here. I love to ride, my wife and I accept that motorcycling has an increased risk, so I will for the time being, try to give myself a little more margin for error, work on staying more attentive, and ride, ride, ride!

[JReviere]

Mellow: I will. Thanx for your comment.

Rod: Yes. We've been at this a goodly while. Did you ever learn the English translation of your name? Remember once I asked you "Vas is de Depper?

All in all, it has been a great run... I rode for over 60 years,(with 15 out to fly Sams big multi motored noise makers) logged 15 days in excess of 1Kmi. (10 on GoldWing and 5 on ST1100).. I've met have grown to appreciate and respect very much some of the finest folk ever to put rubber on the road and have many magnificent memories.

JR

[RP3]

I also think a look at the Can Am Spyder is warranted. I read about it in Rider and Cycle World this month and it really looks to be so much more than a traditional trike. S2000 or some other ragtop also great alternatives - wind in your face and no gear to deal with - sounds like a win-win to me.

[GRN]

JR,

you have asked the impossible question, man... it can be approached objectively, subjectively, and be measured by means only tangible to self. I have asked myself the same question, made up my mind, and changed it again all for mostly different reasons than you.

I left riding for four years for several reasons. I have a coagulation disorder that requires me to take blood thinners - I don't stop clotting well... had 2 PE's by age 33. Hefty rash or a decent whack to the noggin in the remote areas where I do the vast majority of my riding present an extremely high risk to my life. I sold my ST11 to help pay for my wedding, and as a gesture to my bride that I was interested in sticking around...

... Fast forward 4 years, add a child. Every time I saw bikes on the road, it dimmed my soul, and my wife saw it and was the one who encouraged me to indulge in my passion (and kept an old deal and bought it for me). Better to die living, than just living to die as we say... reserving the right to significantly extend the living part a whole bunch if at all possible. I gave up a lot of things I loved doing (other extreme sports) and changed my lifestyle significantly (and got fat) when I started taking blood thinners, but my passion for riding was the one I went back to, the one that is so deep that the risks have been accepted. I tell my little girl "I'll see you later" every time I go, and pray to god that I'm never left a liar. In turn this has pushed me way into the safety camp, so fas as to become an MSF RiderCoach last year.

To me, riding is all about that level of passion... I can't imagine not riding, and spend the entire winter chomping at the bit to get the hell back out. I think that's one of the greatest links we have in this community. Your last post clearly reads to me as elevated risk/decreased passion... if I were in you shoes at any age I would sell the bikes and spend more time with other interests... today that would be with my little girl, and on the water fly fishing.

Cripes man... with all the crazy crap I've done in my life I'm just lucky to still be here... will feel very fortunate if I'm lucky enough to be in your shoes in 40 years ;)

[RTETR]

Hi JR,

My perspective is many years younger than most feedback posted however I have a close riding buddy who just last year traded his ST1100 in on an St1300 at 76 years young himself. He's rarely at the front of the pack anymore but he's stable, safe and always rides with a smile on his face.

This year 6 of us will do the Florida Keys for one reason, so Martin has hit the 4 corners of North America before he decides to pack it in. He's an inspiration to me as a younger rider and has rode his ST's from Newfoundland to the Baja Coast up to Trails End in Anchorage, Alaska and two European trips with me. He's done all the rides he's wanted to even if a short boot on a Sunday afternoon.

I sense that if you are asking us, your ST community, you'll know within yourself when it's time to dismount and those who know you and have riden with you will have just as much peace with your decision as you will.

I'm looking forward to reading of your 2007 roadtrips...:yr1:

[Byron]

JR,

Maybe this is a hobby that just needs a break for a while. Take some time and explore your other interests. If the call to ride is still in you then it will surface and maybe you will adjust whatever you need to make riding safe and enjoyable for you. If the call to ride again doesn't surface then that's O.K. too because as you said, you've logged many many miles and smiles and nothing will ever take those memories.

Whatever your decision is it should be what you want.

[John Anthony]

For me the simple answer is when I no longer enjoy riding and everything that goes into it. There are a number of things that could cause that to happen.

John

[Gug]

1st off it's impressive at 76 that your still riding. As to when to stop, tough question, but you mention the size of the bike and yes the ST is a heavy rascal. It might be nothing more than a new bike might be in order to remedy your issue. But if your having other issues that might diminish our ability to ride safely it's smart to see it and a shame if you don't after the fact.

As for the gear or ATGATT, to each his own. I know of a guy that rides a Harley and wears nothing more than t-shirts, shorts and flip flops all summer long. He has been doing it for over 30 years as well. But he rides slow and cautiously. Use your discretion but most of all have fun.

[Putt]

JR,

Hopefully, it will be like retiring, you'll know when it is time....

Putt..

[motoman]

I think if you have a couple of near misses, or you just don't feel confident on the bike, it's time to consider quitting. :( Maybe the bike starts feeling like it's on roller skates, or two wheels no longer seem like enough.

Some days I just feel a little fuzzy and out of it, and I don't ride. Those days are sometimes preceded by the ingestion of a strange liquid known as 'beer' the night before. I wonder if that could have anything to do with it. :confused:

However, I think I will always have a bike, even if I quit someday. How many of us go out to the garage at night just to look at it and give her a pat on the saddle? ;)

[Lou65]

The fact that you are asking the question (and I applaud you)
means it is getting close to that time.

Life and limb is more important than riding.....I think.

Best

[bobsblu]

In 1982, I stupidly ran into a bar ditch and stayed upright. I had agreed with me that when something like that happened I would get off. I did for 5 years. Now, after several bikes, I have come upon retirement and the ST. I am primarily a lone rider. Just got back yesterday from a 200 mile loop run in central Va. I dunno when I will quit. I have some maladies of old age and bad habits (back, mainly) but enjoy the curves that say 35 @ 55 and the solitude of the superslab. I trust I will know if I get a scare and survive. Sounds stupid........

[Wideguy]

May seem silly, but you could also look to shift to "The Carver" or a similar "Leaning Trike" type vehicle. The new one coming out of CA later this year (projected) with large open windows, removable roof, 100MPG fuel econ and up to a 45* lean in the corners might seem alot like a bike. About the same cost as a new ST ABS

Plus, by virtue of the full steel roll cage and seat belt, no gear needed.

Either way, good luck with your decision

[naturally wired]

:eek: The day I can't ride on two???????

:cool: It will be time for the T-Rex....the new one uses the ZX14 engine!

:twisted: The best part is when you go into the twisties ....and the guy's on there bikes can't keep up!!!!!!

[EASt]

Totally valid question: You're not the only rider that's asked it. I ask myself almost every year.

To me, there's going to come a time when I observe that I put less than 100 miles on my motorcycle for the year, and I'll come to realize that the passion, the hobby, the lifestyle are just... over.

[George]

Well, you could get a burgman or silverwing.. not near as heavy and more than capable. As far as the gear goes.. that's your choice whether we agree or not.

Let us know what you end up deciding..

Interesting note I saw somewhere yesterday (don't know if it's really true):
The Burgman is Suzuki's heaviest bike.

I suspect they are not including the "Boulevard" brand of cruisers as they are no longer "Suzukis".

[BlaSTr]

Gearing up is what I do while waiting for that first indicator to light up on the ST temp gauge. So wear what you want. It's your skin.

Amd as dond so succinctly put: "I have taSTed hungry asphalt and didn't like it much."

[George]

Like the cigarette smokers, I have quit several times. Keep coming back. During my serious running and bicycling years, I did very few moto-miles. Always had a motorcycle in the back of the garage, tho. I've pretty much given up running and bicycling. Still have a fresh set of shoes and several bicycles, tho. Who knows what the future will bring? ;^)

I was serioulsy considering quitting just before my 83 Wing was totalled by an inattentive driver. Had to say, "Can't quit NOW!" and bought the 88 Wing.

Thought very seriously about it after Derek was killed. Again, "Can't quit NOW!" He certainly wouldn't have quit had it been me.

Had a young lady _apologize_ to me when I had to jump her back fence several time while fixing a plumbing problem. I responded, "Teresa, I'm 60 years old. I'm just glad I still can!" And that pretty much sums up my feelings about riding, too. My decision will come when:
A. I ain't physically capable;
B. I don't wanna,

whichever comes first.

My opinion,

[Viggo]

I am gonna assume that there's still desire to ride or you wouldn't bother to ask the question, you'd just stop.

So it really comes down to figuring out when you can't do it safely anymore. Based on my experience with some friends and relatives, it appears to be very difficult to see for ourselves when it's time to quit (driving or riding). Very few people, myself included, are successfully self critical. We somehow fully believe we're doing better than we actually are. Human nature, I guess.

That said, I would listen to the advice of those who know my abilities from actual observation. I wouldn't take just one person's word for it though. Some are far too critical and maybe feel that anyone who rides is foolish.

I should further define "safely". If our lessening ability put only ourselves at risk, then it's still a personal choice whether to continue to ride (same applies to ATGATT). But if we're putting others at risk, it becomes a different story.

I only hope I can go as long as you have before I start having to ask the big question.

[Louie Louie]

Biological and chronological age are different. Some folks are falling apart at 70 while others look and feel great.
At the same time, modern medicine has also allowed us to live longer and w/ a better quality of life. This has added to the amount of years one can safely operate a motorcycle in most cases.

I know of a guy who has had 2 hip replacements a and double bypass and it sure doesnt stop him from riding.

Finally, ones level of fitness and attitude is very important IMHO.

Hit the gym!

[Computer Nerd]

When do you realize it's time to quit riding and do something else?
JR


I can't imagine quitting. :07biker:

[cbwilsha]

I don't know J. R. but it ain't yet for me! I've read all the comments that have been left for you and most are very interesting and thoughtful. I have quite a few current health issues and won't bore all of you by reciting them--any one of them could easily be a very good reason to give up the bike (Doctors and wife continually remind me) but I choose to concentrate on my reasons for riding a bike instead and all is still working out well for me so far.

I also share your disdain for the "preparations" necessary before riding off but understand their necessity and, of course, will continue them. What bothers me more than your age and any infirmity is the fact that you asked the question and are having second thoughts which I hope will not be a self-fulfilling prophecy. BTW, I do remember when you had the dizziness problems but fortunately were able to overcome them. One of my ailments is benign positional vertigo and have had some real bouts over the last several years, but have never had an attack while riding; if I did, that would be it.

I've ranted too much J.R. I hope your decision is to keep on keeping on!

C.B.

Incidentally, I still usually ride every week unless the weather is very bad or I just can't make it.

[Chopper John]

J.R., I wasn't gonna respond since I'm kinda part of the picture, what with having purchased your silver, '03, git-on-down the road ST, and I gotta tell you right now, you're not getting it back! Age is relative, aches and pains are real, and diminished capacity in any form pertaining to any activity must be realized and addressed. That capacity may be the ability,or lack thereof, to manhandle a 700# motorcycle, or the failure to instantly remember which is the brake and which is the accelerator. It's a totally personal thing. I don't feel guilty about buying your baby. Hell, you wouldn't have sold it if you hadn't wanted to. That certainly doesn't mean you can't change your mind and sit astride something else. I hope you do. But let me tell you something; the day I decide that this machine is too much for me, I hope the person who winds up with it enjoys it as much as I do. And for that, I thank you.

[JReviere]

J.R., I wasn't gonna respond since I'm kinda part of the picture, what with having purchased your silver, '03, git-on-down the road ST, and I gotta tell you right now, you're not getting it back! Age is relative, aches and pains are real, and diminished capacity in any form pertaining to any activity must be realized and addressed. That capacity may be the ability,or lack thereof, to manhandle a 700# motorcycle, or the failure to instantly remember which is the brake and which is the accelerator. It's a totally personal thing. I don't feel guilty about buying your baby. Hell, you wouldn't have sold it if you hadn't wanted to. That certainly doesn't mean you can't change your mind and sit astride something else. I hope you do. But let me tell you something; the day I decide that this machine is too much for me, I hope the person who winds up with it enjoys it as much as I do. And for that, I thank you.

John, You just made me very happy. I am very happy I sold the bike to you. Clearly, it has made you very happy. This pleases me to no end. It's a GREAT machine and in the prime of it's life. I am deeply pleased you are enjoying it. Do me a favor and TAKE GREAT CARE OF HER, SHE'S A LADY...a very fast lady, if you've not found out... on my last outing with a group on her, I saw 130 several times just keeping the group lead crotch rocket rider in sight. She sings a lovely song when you twist the grip, I know...

To all the others who have made such caring and thoughtful comments, I express deep appreciation and am humbled by the careing nature of the ST community as it has been expressed toward me. THANK YOU!

I still have not decided. I've leaned more and more (IF I do ride again) toward a Honda SilverWing Scooter. The ergonomics are fine for me and for what I would want to do riding, a S'Wing is more than totally capable. Even smaller would work, except I don't ever again want to be caught on Super Slab traffic in a large city on something lacking MORE than enough power to haul my 175pounds out of the murderous path of brain dead cage drivers.

Again, my heart felt gratitude for your kind consideration and comments, one and all.

JR

[Tor]

I'll quit when I'm unable to get on a bike because of of age, or I can't ride because I can't see 2 feet in front of me, or I can't ride because I can't think straight. Only then will I quit riding. Or maybe I still won't quit. Its too much a part of my life to just quit. I would have to be forced somehow.

[JReviere]

And a Happy St. Patty's Day to one and all. 'Tis the season for th' wearin' o' th' green. The trees in this heavily wooded nearly flat uninteresting "big thicket" country know it's time. Their leaves are coming on strong.

And as for me and riding... It's been 2 months since I sold my ST. I still look at the ads occasionally, but honestly, there's no burning desire any more...

One day maybe. Who knows? I don't. But for now, I promised Joe, I'd post when I made a decision. I think I have... I do, however, reserve the right to change my mind.. I don't think anyone in this crowd would flame me for changing my mind... but for NOW, I've decided...

Being bikeless is not a problem. I miss having to maintain a bike. I miss having to pay for insurance, annual inspections, and registration fees. I miss having to move the thing out of my way when I need the space it occupies... I miss all the negative things about owning a bike, and missing those makes me smile.

But, I don't miss having a bike to ride... so for NOW, I've decided... BIKELESS is good... for me at least at this fork in the road of life...

Thank you all for your input, your kind words, your encouragement and above all your understanding. Happy Trails, one and all.
JR
AKA: J. Reviere, Ph.D.
Lake Livingston, TX

[HankSTer]

Hey JR,
Sounds like your decision is a good one, for you. And that's all that matters. Be sure to participate here though and still be a part of the community if you wish. It's always good to hear different perspectives.

Regards, and best wishes,

[Mellow]

JR, I'm sure I don't just speak for myself when I say we all respect your decision and right to change your mind.. But, mostly, you're still family and are more than welcome here anytime.

[GRN]

Happy Trails indeed ;)

[Styles]

Rider, Emeritus.

Wear your title proudly around here.

We'll respect and need your wise counsel still.

Styles

[JReviere]

Thank you, one and all. I am enriched by your supportive words.

I am reminded of the request of the reportedly wisest of all people, the ancient Hebrew King Solomon. He was just 15 when he became King and undertook the awesome responsibility of leading his people at a time when guys are generally just getting focused on who's the cutest girl in town.

As the story goes, Solomon did not ask for prestige, power, or wealth, although he got all of those, he asked for WISDOM.

Long ago, constantly being embarrassed by my unwise choices and activities, I too asked for WISDOM. Maybe some day when I fully mature, I will have been granted that prayer, at least in a small way.

JR

[BikemanKZ]

JR,
Did you ever meet a guy in Albq., when you were there, named "Richard" somebody, about your age, grew up riding in So Cal. He'll yak at anybody about motorcikles. These days he got himself a new Kawasaki twin650 Ninja. He had the same physical problems as you so now he rides that only as far as he feels like. So he scratches the itch and keeps himself happy.

Maybe you met Don Clark from Victorville, CA. A legend in the HSTA, He's over 82 and I believe still riding. He was doing 20k plus a year.

The ST is a great bike, but it's not the only one.
Hope you are doing well otherwise!
KZ

[STJMG]

I'm 56 and my dad turned 80 in Jan., traded in his harley & got a vtx 1800. He can ride farther than me & in the hot summer..

[STJMG]

I'm 56 and my dad turned 80 in Jan., traded in his harley & got a vtx 1800. He can ride farther than me & in the hot summer..ATTACHED IS A PICTURE OF HIM & MY SON. 3 generations on a ride together!!!!

[curmudgeon]

Thank you, one and all. I am enriched by your supportive words.

I am reminded of the request of the reportedly wisest of all people, the ancient Hebrew King Solomon. He was just 15 when he became King and undertook the awesome responsibility of leading his people at a time when guys are generally just getting focused on who's the cutest girl in town.

As the story goes, Solomon did not ask for prestige, power, or wealth, although he got all of those, he asked for WISDOM.

Long ago, constantly being embarrassed by my unwise choices and activities, I too asked for WISDOM. Maybe some day when I fully mature, I will have been granted that prayer, at least in a small way.

JR

JR, Don't let this go to your head, but I think you're one of the smartest people I've had the pleasure to read on the ST List. I hope you plan to continue adding your words of wisdom on the List and on ST-Owners.com. I still hope to meet you in person someday. If I'm in your part of Texas someday I'd like to buy you lunch.

Phil Dooley

[kmuenster]

I'm 51 and in my second year of riding, spent the first 30 raising kids and a family. I love my ST, started out on a KLR 650 which I still have, but when I get to the point where I'm not able to handle the ride, my ST will be converted to a 3-wheeler so I can still enjoy the wind and sun...ride safe and ride on! I hope the passion never leaves me, waited a long time to get to this point.

[BigTom]

JR

I once read a story about a fishing guide that I knew casually. Was guiding Curt Gowdy and "Outdoor Sportsman" in Montana. After the filiming and star wallowing and such, he asked if he could toss a line.

He hooked up with Hector (the legendary record fish in every lake and river and pond and creek) with 1/2 pound tippet. 1/2 hour later he was still trying to get a good look at the fish when Gowdy needed to go to catch a plane. He never said a word, just raised his raised his rod and snapped the tippet off. His salute to Hector.

I raise my rod tip to you and your decision. May I make it as well and thoughtfully as you, in my time.

[gec343]

While enroute to the BMW Rally in Spokane a couple of years ago, I met a 78 year old man riding an old K-bike to the rally. He was from Texas. He said that all of his friends, including his wife had made excuses for not attending the rally, but he was going anyway, alone. I saw him several times during the ride to Spokane. He appeared to be having a "ball" I hope that I can be like him when or if I arrive at that age.

I may die someday on a motorcycle, but it would beat being in a rest home!:cool:

[vintagemxr]

I'm 51 and in my second year of riding, spent the first 30 raising kids and a family. I love my ST, started out on a KLR 650 which I still have, but when I get to the point where I'm not able to handle the ride, my ST will be converted to a 3-wheeler so I can still enjoy the wind and sun...ride safe and ride on! I hope the passion never leaves me, waited a long time to get to this point.


As long as you feel safe and there are no big mishaps, you keep riding. My dad rode until he was 70 and figured he could have ridden another 5 years but family talked him into stopping. He was down to a 200cc Yamaha but would still roll up 200 miles days on the thing. Quit riding when YOU know it's time, not when some non-riding do-gooder tells you it's time. At 51 you've got a bunch of time left as long as you stay healthy and sharp.

[jahoobob]

It was, when it hurts too bad. I quit about ten years ago when I couldn't sleep at night after riding more than about 150 miles.
Fortunately, I discovered the ST and am back in the saddle again and am planning to do a Saddle Sore next month. Now, it is when I'm six feet under.

[ST1300 Alicia]

I am going to Retire at 69 and then my goal is to do some long distance tour camping with a new Goldwing. I wonder what they will look like in 16 years? I am a health care professional and I see patients that cover the full gamut. I may have an 80 year old patient that still flies and a 66 year old patient that does not know their own name. I asked a patient the other day if they knew "Where they were" and their answer was "Does it matter". I think when I get to that time in my life. I will consult my Doctor. If you consult your family, they may have a nonobjective, biased answer, based on vested interests. When you ask you MD, there should be a professional medical assessment for coordination, strength and any early signs of dementia. If the Doc says OK, then you can decide if you want to ride and what you may want as a bike. The Cruisers are popular. You can get a fair return on your investment if you decide to stop ridding. Cruisers also have a much lower center of gravity. I can straddle a 1700cc Yamaha Road Star and lean it over at 45 degree angle, hold it there all afternoon and then just straighten it back up. It's kinda like a big Mini-Bike. Its much easier to ride than an ST. Good Luck with YOUR Decision and follow your gut.

Alicia born in 53

[UNTMatt]

When I left the Honda dealership a week or so ago, they rolled out a GW trike, white. Really a good looking ride.

Then a very elderly man, gingerly moved the driver seat forward so his elderly wife could carefully climb into the pillion seat. After helping her in, he climbed in the drivers position and they rolled off.

When you're done, you will know it and it has nothing to do with age. If you are not enjoying it anymore...if that passion is no longer there, then hand the keys over to a new owner and don't look back. Find a new passion. I know of no person that would turn their back on you for making the decision to hand over the keys.

[tommyboy]

When to stop riding is a tough question. I guess it comes down to how comfortable you feel on the bike. It may be the bike is too big and you would be more at ease on a smaller bike, or semi-scooter like a Burgman. One of the best rides I ever had was to Canada (So.Cal Motorcycling Assn's 3 Flags) with a 73 year old. Jesse Hollifield. He rodes a BMW and he was very proficient. His son and I were speaking one day and he was afraid that his dad was going to get killed on the thing. I made a couple of comments - first, his dad was very good on the bike. Second, he has made a lot of friends in his later years, and that is a lot better that sitting around waiting to die because he had nothing left to look forward to. Jesse's last ride of any significance was the 4 corners tour. Cancer got him a year later. He rode as long as he was physically able. At his wake they had a frosting photo on the cake of him on his bike in front of the Madiwaska, Maine post office (N.E. corner of the U.S.).
Ride as long as you like.