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Chris Parker
03-20-2007, 09:56 PM
Well, it has been just over a month with the new 06 R1200RT and about 1500 miles on the odometer now… someone asked me to give a write up and compare the new with the old, so here goes…

First, let’s get this out of the way… I think Honda has a jewel in the ST1300… I have said more than once that it is the long distant cousin that you see at family reunions once every three years and are glad to see. Honda makes a lot of bikes, some of which I don’t care for and some that I think are amazing… but the ST is in a class by itself from Big Red. I thoroughly enjoyed the bike for the two plus years I had it and find the allure of the V-4 irresistible.

I had some issues… coolant leaks, thermostat going out (if this isn’t a recall, I don’t know what is), but overall was pleased with my Steed.

But to the RT… wow. What a difference from my old RTs (01 1100RT and 02 1150RT)… not even the same ballpark these new hexheads… I have been removed three plus years from my last Beemer, but I remember enough to make this fair comparison… much better all around (wind management, weight, torque, HP, creature comforts – ESA, cruise, luggage designs)…

… and compared to the ST, the first thing is weight… I don’t have exact figures, but it is indeed a lot of weight difference between the two bikes… gotta be over 100 lb difference… I feel like I am riding a dirt bike that rides on rails (not that the ST1300 isn’t confidence inspiring at all either). The flickability of the RT is pretty amazing… I can’t decide if I am the better rider because of it or it just is a better handling bike, but taking corners has been notched up for me.

Couple of physical comparisons that stick out between the two… the BMW is taller and wider (taller by a wide margin, too… I could easily flat foot the ST in the highest seat position, on the RT, in the highest position, I flatfoot it, barely, and I am 6’3”). The other is that the RT seating position is a little more upright, not much, but more. I still prefer the ST position, more weight on the bars, but I think that is because I am still “programmed” that way after 2 years of it. Ask me in a couple of months and I may have changed my mind.

One the thing that BMW Motorrad has finally addressed is the shifting quality of the boxer series… my old BMWs were agricultural in comparison to the ST… now the RT has taken the lead over the ST, really smooth, except for the clunk into 1st, but my ST had that as well. And having a 6th gear is nice again, I found myself at times trying to go up one more gear on the ST when I was tapped out in 5th. I have heard complaints on the K1200GT not having a smooth shifting experience, but that is not the case with the RT.

I like the luggage designs of new BMWs as well, with one feature I never thought I’d go without, but now wonder why more don’t and it is this… the locks can be set to allow you to get into the bags without having to use the key… I know some ST owners make the shorted keys and leave them in there for convenience, but I like that the RT’s bags have that feature. I got the 49 liter topcase with the bike upon delivery and it has the same features. They also have the tie down strap in the side cases which has come in handy at the grocery store.

The digital display is a bit clear, easier to read in daylight and is chock full of info, I got the oil level computer with mine and the ESA, so it is equipped appropriately in the readout, plus a gear indicator again. Wonder why the ST doesn’t have one? Doesn’t the FJR have one?

And speaking of ESA, I like it so far… really a trip to be sitting on the bike in a stationary position and select different preload settings and feel the bike lower or raise according to the settings you select. I hear that the system is expensive to replace when the shocks go, but I have options like Ohlins, Wilburs, etc.

Differences between the two bikes are also the following:

The ST is faster off the line, given the horsepower differences (I think the RT has 85-90 at the rear wheel and the ST has 116, even with the weight disadvantage the ST has). Top speed is another nod to the ST, but not by much… 142-145 mph vs 136-138 for the RT, based on what I have read, not personal experience, mind you.

Heated grips on the ST (Hondaline) had four settings that would get hot on 3 and up… the RT has just two, but do the job almost as well, but the integration is better… on/off switch is right handlebar located, easy to get to while on the ST, you mount wherever you want, just not on the handlebar location.

No easy headlight adjustment on RT, under panels, not electrically adjusted like on ST, but lighting on RT is better.

Mileage on RT is much better, almost 8 miles per gallon more, according to trip computer. 7.1 gallons and farthest I have gone without risking running dry is 278 miles, probably could have gone a bit farther, but did not want to push the bike.

Two words: Cruise control… never had it before this bike… must have it on all my future bikes… Honda, you listening? Next ST, you gotta have this feature! Not ifs, ands or buts! Great to have!

Cost of ownership would probably be in the Honda’s favor, but I intend to do as much work on the RT as I can to defray costs (Oil and filter, valve adjustments, etc)… it’s funny the different approaches the Japanese and Germans have… a recent friend of mine put it this way… “the Japanese design for rock solid reliability without much intervention from the owner or serviceman all along the way… the Germans design for rock solid reliability which depends on consistent and meticulous maintenance to make sure everything is in spec.” I have a Passat that is pretty much the same way as the Beemer… treat her nice and she will bring you home… neglect her and she will let you know (oil consumption the first 12 K miles on the RT, keep an eye on it, after that, forget about it… it’s true, both my old RTs were that way… I hear it is the Nikisil liners on the cylinders).

This is my initial impression of the RT ownership experience (again) after just a month… I will be noting some impressions/problems/curiosities down the road from time to time as it comes to mind… one thing I have learned that no bike is without faults, and I am sure that I will have my run in with that with this one… the thing that matters most is that I am confident with the bike and it’s ability to get me from point A to B in the twistiest ways possible with a big grin on my face, after all, isn’t that what’s all about?

Guy (BamaRider) has got some more info on his two bikes (ST and RT) and he has said a lot about the comparison between his two from all standpoints. I recommend reading his take at http://www.bamarider.com/.

Byron
03-20-2007, 10:06 PM
Chris,

Thanks for the update.

Jefro
03-20-2007, 10:11 PM
Chris, great write up!
This is the only other bike I considered before buying my 05 ST, and it's good to hear a fresh comparison from an owner instead of a motojournalist. I believe the magazines may not be quite as objective due to advertiser concerns.
It will be interesting to hear your report after more miles, and especially after a long ride.
Jefro.

Bones
03-21-2007, 06:29 AM
Thanks, Chris. Interesting comments.

One thing you pointed out is a constant point of contention for me with the RT and the GT -- I can't get my feet on the ground. I guess they make people with longer legs in de Fatherland.

Chris Parker
03-21-2007, 07:09 AM
Thanks, Chris. Interesting comments.

One thing you pointed out is a constant point of contention for me with the RT and the GT -- I can't get my feet on the ground. I guess they make people with longer legs in de Fatherland.

Bones,

For the height impaired, they offer a low seat for the RT which puts it in the height range of the ST, really drops the inseam height for sure. Don't think that it is an option on the GT, but the GT has a lower seat height anyways.

Chris

catcher
03-21-2007, 03:02 PM
Any comments on air flow management / wind noise ? My ST is good, but only truly quiet with the screen way up.

Chris Parker
03-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Any comments on air flow management / wind noise ? My ST is good, but only truly quiet with the screen way up.

I think that the RT has quite an edge here... the wind is effectively routed around the rider and there are two little plastic wind shields on the dash that you look at and wonder what they are there for, but it is to redirect the air off the hands (which may be a problem in the heat of summer, don't know yet.)

Unlike the ST, which when the screen is all the way up, it pulls the rider forward, the RT does not have that issue. I don't ride with the windshield up over 40% of the range on the RT, same for the ST.. but the RT is quiter and calmer compared to the ST. I like a little wind in the face, so I lower the windshield just enough to get a feel of the air... both bikes allow this when the screen is down low enough.

I must mention that I ALWAYS wear earplugs, so as to wind noise as it occurs right out of the box, I can't say with 100% accuracy, but with my Schuberth C2 helmet on and earplugs in, the RT is noticably quiter than the ST.

Hashimoto
03-21-2007, 03:31 PM
Thanks for the input Chris.
Would you please comment on the heat comparison.
I was talking to fellow from North Carolina the other day who rides an 04 K1200GT. I asked if it got warm. He said "It's not bad around town, but going down the highway will roast your leg". I'm curious about your findings. I haven't experienced the summer heat yet... just got the ST last November.

Chris Parker
03-21-2007, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the input Chris.
Would you please comment on the heat comparison.
I was talking to fellow from North Carolina the other day who rides an 04 K1200GT. I asked if it got warm. He said "It's not bad around town, but going down the highway will roast your leg". I'm curious about your findings. I haven't experienced the summer heat yet... just got the ST last November.

I never really had a heat issue with my ST, riding in all manner of temps here in SC... but I also never rode wearing just jeans on the legs... I was either in my mesh AirGlide Olympia suit or my AeroStich Roadcrafter, so that kept any heat off of me... I think it is a personal tolerance level as well.. some could get on the ST and would think they are being roasted...

As to the RT-ST comparison, well, there really isn't one. The boxer, by design, is oil and aircooled, and with the cylinder heads sticking out there, they are not in a position to generate the heat of a watercooled bike, thus they have never been an issue for me on all by opposed twin bikes. In fact, the position of the heads are such that they are not really that close to your body at all, with a leading edge of body work coming between the cylinder and lower leg. And in stop and go traffic, I never had my old RTs overheat (the old RT had temp bars that registered 1-10... I never saw the needle creep up over number 7, in the dead of summer and stop and go traffic).

Can't really say much about the previous gen K1200GT that your friend has, but I rode an older gen K1200RS and did not notice any heat problems... granted, I had the bike as a loaner while the dealer serviced my 1150RT.

Hope that helps.

redst05
03-21-2007, 05:44 PM
Great report. I liked the thoughtful comparison of the two.
Keep us posted and ride safe!!!!!

John Anthony
03-21-2007, 06:26 PM
Chris,

Good write up. My wife Maggie made the switch last summer from an ST1300 to an R1200RT and she's never looked back.

In addition to less weight, I'd also add that the weight feels lower on the RT, something Maggie really appreciates.

A lot of riding has to do with personal preferrences. In Maggie's case, she dumped the original seat and windshield in favor of a Meyer and Cee Bailey. Other than upgrading the exhaust to one with a bit more throat, these are the only changes she's made and she's very happy with the final package.

I put about a 120 miles on her bike one afternoon last summer and while it was nice to ride, for my preferrences, I'd stay with the ST. I didn't like the vibration of the RT and the ST feels more settled on the roadway to me.

Both bikes are darn good choices.

John

hojo in sc
03-21-2007, 07:41 PM
Chirs: Tell me if your bike uses a CamBus system. Wondering how folks like it.

tnx

Chris Parker
03-21-2007, 08:01 PM
Chirs: Tell me if your bike uses a CamBus system. Wondering how folks like it.

tnx

Howard,

Yes, it uses the Canbus wiring... and what I know of it, it makes for a much simpler wiring harness on the bike... a single wire to most switches sending info in both directions, I know the new Kawasaki Concours 14 is supposed to have it... the only thing that I have heard is that the wiring of accessories (Motolights, GPS, etc.) you have to add some kinda of adapter to plug into the system... I have read up on it some, but know that people who have had the first BMW implementation of it in the R1200GS have had no problems at all...

If I remember, you contacted me about some friend of yours who had some issue with his accessory lighting he added to his K1200GT (?) and was having some problem of shutting off the bike and the lights staying on... I mentioned it to Matt at TouringSport in Greenville and he said that some lighting systems stay on for a minute or so, after shutting off the bike because of a diagnostic self test with the Canbus system... he may want to talk to them more about it, it could be that he has it wired up some way the is the problem... (I don't know).

That is all I really know about the system as of now... I don't have any extra stuff on the bike that needs to tap into the electrical yet.

Chris

hojo in sc
03-21-2007, 08:53 PM
Thanks Chris, I wasn't sure if all the Beemers had that cambus or not. I had heard that one should use caution when adding farkles, as the cambus, if overloaded, will shut the bike down, the entire bike, not just the single source (lights or what ever).

My friend doesn't seem bothered by the Hyper-Lites staying on awhile longer after shutting the bike down. What happens is that the Hyper-Lites stay on until the battery is drained down to 12.4 volts. He can turn on his Moto-lights and they too stay on.

So, if he goes out to the garage in the morning and turns the key on then off right away, the Hyper-Lites will NOT stay on for long, cuz he didn't charge the bike battery up long enough (remember, if just turns the key on then off, but doesn't start the bike). Then when he drives to work, the lights may stay on for 10 minutes before they drain the battery down to 12.4 volts and are shut off. The moto-lights however, will drain the battery down quickly, causing it to shut off much sooner.

As I said, he isn't concerned about it, but my feelings are that it is causing unnecessary stress on the battery, and may shorten the life span. There was an article in the newspaper this past week about why (auto) batteries are not lasting as long, and one of the things the suggested was folks charging things in the car overnight.

I for one, would wire it differently; let the key source supply power to a relay (that gets power directly from the battery). This way the lights will come on, get the power from the battery, but shut off with the key turned off.

We have to get together and ride. I should have called you a few days ago. Some guys in SPG are trying to get together at least once a month and take a group ride. We went last night, had 11 riders, all of different levels of riding, and except for two of us, all different types of bikes. It wasn't a fast pace, I too was concerned, as we had two riders that have only had their bikes for two months. Took a nice little spin up Hwy 176 into Saluda and down, then to Tigersville, and back to Inman. After that we had a little meal. As the daylight changes, we hope to get longer rides.

Keep in touch!

BamaRider
03-21-2007, 10:01 PM
In aerodynamics the RT is superb, not that the Honda is bad, (well the 1100 is what most would call bad) the 1300 is good, but not the same level of the RT. The Germans have air flow down pretty well.

There is no heat on the RT. The coolest 1200 cc bike you'll ever ride.

pedrogordo
03-22-2007, 01:41 PM
NIce review Chris. Two years ago, I had to decide between both models. But the price was a lot in favor of Honda (in spite of the expensive options in BMW)and I never liked very much the Boxer motors. However, the 1200RT is the first boxer bike I've liked. I know very well the R1200RT and I agree with your impressions in general. Except the consumption, because when I go for a ride with my friends (I've 3 with 1200RT!!! This is what I call presson!!!) the STX1300 is very near, not so much diference. I don't thinl also that de wind protection is worse in ST. Both bikes are very beautiful. But in general, the 1200Rt is a more actual bike. Regards,

Bighaeb
04-17-2007, 10:58 PM
Cool to see a write up on the two compared. I too was very interested in the new 1200 from BMW. I've owned both a F650CS and a R1150R from BMW, and was very much impressed with the bikes. But, all in all, I'm not feeling too bad that I couldn't afford the BMW this time and had to resort to the ST1300A :D I LOVE IT!

Computer Nerd
04-18-2007, 04:23 AM
Barring any radical update in the next incarnation of the ST, I will probably try the RT next.

I love the seating position of the RT, and BMW's luggage is so nice.