IBA Certifications

[Pred8tor]

I'm still waiting for my SS1000 certification from back in September. I remember there were several other riders on the waiting list, too. I received an email a few months ago apologizing for the delay, and I understand what that's all about.

If we could post on this thread when we receive our certifications, those of us still waiting may be be able to get an idea of when we may received ours.

[hojo in sc]

I sent mine around July 25 and got the stuff not too long ago, maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago.

[STill Fiddlin]

They cashed my check mid-February, and I got excited, but it's been a while since then, so I emailed a week or so ago. I was told that they were finishing up mailing out Summer '06 certs, and just starting to work on September-October submissions.

[sherob]

My run was 6/30... my package was delivered in January/February :confused: They still haven't cashed my check yet though :rolleyes:

[crazykz]

Sent mine in early June. Still haven't seen a thing. I did the ride in late May.

Curt

[motomac]

Dang guys, this is getting depressing. I just sent a package in today, so I guess I'm looking at sometime around Christmas????? Or next year at this time????

[BlaSTr]

Sent mine in on Jan. 20, 07 and don't expect anything until July/August.

Did a preapproved BBG1500 on Mar. 24 and should see the presents sometime in late May (or so the organizers told us).

Mike Kneebone and the crew are working very hard to get caught up. It's a mostly volunteer organization and Mike's very strict about making sure all the paperwork is 100% correct.

[DRAFT1]

This is really depressing. I'm licking the envelope right now!

[v65saber]

did my SSK at Thanksgiving and filed about a week or so later.. :bow1: they cashed my check about three weeks ago :) so they are making pretty god progress given the number of rides filed..

[Tarheel_Rider]

I got excited when they cashed my check, but since then nada. Early Oct ride, check cashed in Feb, but still looking for the cert or reject. I'll post when it comes in, but Jeff's should be ahead of mine.

[jahoobob]

From what I'm gathering here, doing an organized ride will get a faster turnaround on the certification.

[MilesFromNowhere]

Sent mine in on Jan. 20, 07 and don't expect anything until July/August.

Did a preapproved BBG1500 on Mar. 24 and should see the presents sometime in late May (or so the organizers told us).

Mike Kneebone and the crew are working very hard to get caught up. It's a mostly volunteer organization and Mike's very strict about making sure all the paperwork is 100% correct.

No slight towards you, but this chant is starting to sound like propaganda. There is no reason it should take this long, even with a thorough audit of the ride submission.

In the last three months it doesn't seem like any progress has been made catching up. Quite the contrary. Meanwhile, Kneebone is riding rallies in South Africa. With the IBR approaching, time may extend out to a year. It really detracts from the whole thing for me.

[STPaulK]

No slight towards you, but this chant is starting to sound like propaganda. There is no reason it should take this long, even with a thorough audit of the ride submission.

Are you aware of the strict diligence Kneebone's staff performs to validate these long distance submissions? Are you aware of the staff turnover he went through the last year? Are you aware of the exponential growth in the number of submissions for validation? Did you know the number of fraudulent submissions is growing just as fast? You could either cut Mike some slack or start your own LD certification but I doubt anyone will be clamoring for your license plate frames. Sorry for the tone but I'm surprised Mike hasn't just ended the whole deal and let it die for the grief he goes through. Let the guy have some good vacations, he has certainly earned it! :bow1:

[STPaulK]

BTW, I should add that I have been waiting for one from Memorial weekend. So I'm in the same boat.

[Pred8tor]

I didn't start this thread to criticize (or to encourage criticism) of the IBA. The IBA Certification has the status it does because of the integrity of the validation process. There's no question that it's popular - and it takes time to validate the rides.

I just want to get a feel for how certifications are progressing in an effort to guage the progress for those of us still waiting.

BTW, I should add that I have been waiting for one from Memorial weekend. So I'm in the same boat.

:22yikes: Memorial Weekend??? Egads!

[MilesFromNowhere]

I agree I am not aware. That's kind of my point. Who is? Who in fact has any real information to make an assessment as to the problem or the progress? Yet the chant continues.

Tell me why the staff quit, why they weren't paid, how productive they had to be, why more people were not trained, what does it take to certify rides, how much funding the certification process gets, etc. Of course these are all rhetorical questions. If you have some idea, please share. My post reflects what a lot of people are wondering. Perhaps not you, but there is room for more than one view.

At a time when the process seems out of control, why isn't the organization a little more transparent on some of the metrics, just to demonstrate that some progress is being made? This isn't rocket science.






Are you aware of the strict diligence Kneebone's staff performs to validate these long distance submissions? Are you aware of the staff turnover he went through the last year? Are you aware of the exponential growth in the number of submissions for validation? Did you know the number of fraudulent submissions is growing just as fast? You could either cut Mike some slack or start your own LD certification but I doubt anyone will be clamoring for your license plate frames. Sorry for the tone but I'm surprised Mike hasn't just ended the whole deal and let it die for the grief he goes through. Let the guy have some good vacations, he has certainly earned it! :bow1:

[STPaulK]

Miles, Maybe you need to post all your questions to the Ironbutt message forum, or maybe write Kneebone himself. I don't have specific answers for your questions. The general information I passed was general knowledge from the LD community forums.

http://www.ironbutt.org/forum/default.asp

[MilesFromNowhere]

Miles, Maybe you need to post all your questions to the Ironbutt message forum, or maybe write Kneebone himself. I don't have specific answers for your questions. The general information I passed was general knowledge from the LD community forums.

http://www.ironbutt.org/forum/default.asp


Paul, maybe you need to stop defending the performance of an organization you know nothing about.

[STPaulK]

Paul, maybe you need to stop defending the performance of an organization you know nothing about.

Miles,

First off, I already have an IBA member number (#14763) and plate and am very aware of the IBA, what it represents, how it works and all the necessary requirements to acheive each level. The fact that I do not know which volunteers quit or why they quit or why the validations are taking extra long does not concern me as much as it apparently does you.

I sent you a link to a forum, a contact point if you will, so you can post your questions directly and maybe you can get some direct answers. You don't need to insult me for only trying to help. Chill out some!

[MilesFromNowhere]

Miles,

First off, I already have an IBA member number (#14763) and plate and am very aware of the IBA, what it represents, how it works and all the necessary requirements to acheive each level. The fact that I do not know which volunteers quit or why they quit or why the validations are taking extra long does not concern me as much as it apparently does you.

I sent you a link to a forum, a contact point if you will, so you can post your questions directly and maybe you can get some direct answers. You don't need to insult me for only trying to help. Chill out some!

No insult, I was giving you some advice as well. Chill out and have an open mind; there is nothing wrong with a few pointed questions. No one (certainly not you) seems to know what is involved or why it takes so long. The suggestion that certifying rides is difficult is silly. What can be difficult is tracking down a witness 10 months after the ride.

Help? Thats a joke. Everyone has those links, everyone belongs to the LD lists, and after several months, most have submitted at least one inquiry and learned nothing.

[motomac]

Whoa!!!! Simma down everyone!!! As I understand it, none of these folks that do the validating are paid employees. They all have jobs and do the validating in their spare time. Even though I am as anxious to be recognized for my ride as the next guy, I can appreciate the time and effort involved by the volunteers to make sure my ride was in fact a true IBA distance and time.

[crazykz]

Hey guys,

I've sort of been watching this because I know that people want to know where there cert is at but it's best just to wait. I don't mind the post though just asking where other's are at with theirs. I would rather people share their status here than have a bunch of people peppering the IBA asking for status which would only distract from getting the certs finished.

What I don't think is healthy here is opinions on what the IBA should or shouldn't do. Since I've started doing these rides I've always been grateful there is an organization that is recognized globally that will certify these rides if for no other reason so that I have something tangible that shows that I did these rides.

Have some consideration for the amount of work it takes to certify these rides. Know that these people are VOLUNTEERS! They do it because of the love of the sport and people. If a volunteer at a soup kitchen gave you soup that wasn't hot enough would you throw it back in their face? Do you think that person would volunteer again? No soup for you. Ok my analogy sucks but let's not discourage the volunteers with impatience.

Think about what it would take if you've been given a packet and how you would certify it to make sure it's not a faked packet and that the rules were followed.

People on motorcycles shouldn't throw soup.

Curt

[Pred8tor]

I can understand that the large number of applications are causing a backlog... and I'm sure the volunteers have "day jobs" and most likely a personal life, in addition to spending time validating rides. If it takes longer, then so be it. Quality over quantity.

If it makes any difference, as the thread starter, I'd rather we focus this thread on reporting when rides occurred and certs arrive. I think it would be helpful to have a general idea of when to expect the certification. While I'm looking forward to the cert coming, I'm not frustrated by the delay.

While I can see how this would evolve into a discussion of "how long it takes", that's not my purpose. I'd rather we not debate the performance of the folks who produce the certifications.

Thanks!

[crazykz]

If it makes any difference, as the thread starter, I'd rather we focus this thread on reporting when rides occurred and certs arrive. I think it would be helpful to have a general idea of when to expect the certification. While I'm looking forward to the cert coming, I'm not frustrated by the delay.
Thanks!

Yes, I agree and that's why I'm glad you start these every once in a while. Everyone wants their cert. I have 3 big rides I'm waiting for and it would be nice to know if they passed inspection and know I didn't waste all that time and money over 11+ days to not get them.

That's why I think these threads are a good way to gauge where they might be on certs without having to bug them. I'm glad you start these up every once in a while. However for the others... If you want to air your frustration I would consider another activity or a different thread. And don't flame me because I have an opinion. I'm not flaming anyone else... I'm just asking to be more understanding and keep an open mind.

Curt

[MilesFromNowhere]

Whoa!!!! Simma down everyone!!! As I understand it, none of these folks that do the validating are paid employees. They all have jobs and do the validating in their spare time. Even though I am as anxious to be recognized for my ride as the next guy, I can appreciate the time and effort involved by the volunteers to make sure my ride was in fact a true IBA distance and time.

First off, like I said in my first post, no one here knows anything. All the responses are just repeating back the IBA party line.

Think out of the box. If the cert process is broken because volunteers quit, why not use some of the fee to automate the process or pay people to do (at least some) of the work? Why not redesign the process so that a select group from the general membership can provide volunteer help? I mean really, there has to be a hundred ways to fix this, yet still maintain the quality of the cert process.


Crazykz:

Are you saying a portion of the application fee is not a partial source of income for some? I mean do you know for sure?

[crazykz]

First off, like I said in my first post, no one here knows anything. All the responses are just repeating back the IBA party line.

Think out of the box. If the cert process is broken because volunteers quit, why not use some of the fee to automate the process or pay people to do (at least some) of the work? Why not redesign the process so that a select group from the general membership can provide volunteer help? I mean really, there has to be a hundred ways to fix this, yet still maintain the quality of the cert process.


Crazykz:

Are you saying a portion of the application fee is not a partial source of income for some? I mean do you know for sure?

To answer your question the money submitted for a cert goes to the organization. However the people certifying the rides are volunteers and are not paid.

If you want to keep saying that no one knows anything I really don't think I care to participate in this thread nor do I wish to listen to your suggestions since it's becoming apparent you know even less.

I'm not sure what good it does to have a discussion about how you/we would fix the IBA certification program. I don't see it being a productive discussion because we are not going to change how that is run. Everyone has an opinion so I'm open to that but I'm not up for an inflammatory uneducated post complaining about a process that we don't own and have no control over.

I would recommend that you volunteer to certify rides and learn the entire process and the amount of training and time that is involved in doing the job. Then you can fill us all in.

Curt
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[MilesFromNowhere]

To answer your question the money submitted for a cert goes to the organization. However the people certifying the rides are volunteers and are not paid.

If you want to keep saying that no one knows anything I really don't think I care to participate in this thread nor do I wish to listen to your suggestions since it's becoming apparent you know even less.

Curt
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I'll point out you didn't answer the question. I was asking does Kneebone earn some income from application fees or not? How much income does he make? What percentage of the fees go where?

It's great if he does. I just doubt it is all volunteer work.

Perhaps it's hard for you to be objective.

[crazykz]

I'll point out you didn't answer the question. I was asking does Kneebone earn some income from application fees or not? How much income does he make? What percentage of the fees go where?

I answered the question that I know. I'm not sure if anyone but Kneebone and the board could answer the other questions and back it up with proof.

So although I may have not answered your questions I believe you missed my point in that I don't think it's a constructive to ask a bunch or rhetorical questions and complain about a process that you don't understand.

I'll give you that I may not have the ability to be objective here but I think I'm trying to see both sides of this.

Curt

[MilesFromNowhere]

I answered the question that I know. I'm not sure if anyone but Kneebone and the board could answer the other questions and back it up with proof.

So although I may have not answered your questions I believe you missed my point in that I don't think it's a constructive to ask a bunch or rhetorical questions and complain about a process that you don't understand.

Curt

I think I understand it better than you.

It is constructive to ask questions when something is terribly broken, especially when people keep repeating propaganda. There is no harm. When enough people start offering feedback to the IBA, then things will change for the better. Better for the IBA too.

[crazykz]

I think I understand it better than you.

It is constructive to ask questions when something is terribly broken, especially when people keep repeating propaganda. There is no harm. When enough people start offering feedback to the IBA, then things will change for the better. Better for the IBA too.

Why do you think you know more than I do? I know certifiers are volunteers and aren't paid. If you knew that answer then why didn't you just say so. So I don't understand your claim. If you want to attack me do it off board.

Do you participate on LDRider?

Curt

[MilesFromNowhere]

Why do you think you know more than I do? I know certifiers are volunteers and aren't paid. If you knew that answer then why didn't you just say so. So I don't understand your claim. If you want to attack me do it off board.

Do you participate on LDRider?

Curt


I did not attack you. Don't claim I did. I questioned the thinking and the conclusions. It was and is in the context of everyone repeating back elements of IBA posts and form letters without even knowing the facts.

Yes. All of us have read the limited number of posts from the IBA on this topic and their canned email. They were volunteers. So what? Why was that, why so dependent on a few, why isn't the process documented so others can learn it, etc, etc, etc.

[crazykz]

I did not attack you. Don't claim I did. I questioned the thinking and the conclusions. It was and is in the context of everyone repeating back elements of IBA posts and form letters without even knowing the facts.

Yes. All of us have read the limited number of posts from the IBA on this topic and their canned email. They were volunteers. So what? Why was that, why so dependent on a few, why isn't the process documented so others can learn it, etc, etc, etc.

Ok. Maybe I misinterpreted your statement that you know more than me about this topic. I think understand your point that you want to know why the process is the way that it is but it seems like you want it from the horses mouth and there's no horses here and to be honest it wasn't the purpose of this thread in the first place. I apologize for highjacking Pred8tor's thread.

You didn't answer my question. Do you participate on LDRider?

Curt

[MilesFromNowhere]

I tried to answer your question. My second paragraph started with "Yes".

Like everyone here, I don't really care to know the details of their process. I just don't understand why it is so broken and why it is taking so very long to fix. It's not rocket science is it? So when everyone chants "You don't know how hard it is to...", I start to think how hard can it really be? Plenty of members would love to help if given the opportunity. When people say it's volunteer, I say BS, Kneebone is earning something. (I don't have a problem with that and he certainly doesn't care if I do.)

The purpose of my questions was to get people to realize they don't have any facts, and they are chanting propaganda. Like I said, why doesn't the IBA provide some transparency on the process metrics to show they are making progress on the issue?

This is the type of thing that can at some point discourage participation and provide opportunities for other organizations. So my view is IBA members should be concerned and vocal, not chanting the party line.

Ok. Maybe I misinterpreted your statement that you know more than me about this topic. I think understand your point that you want to know why the process is the way that it is but it seems like you want it from the horses mouth and there's no horses here and to be honest it wasn't the purpose of this thread in the first place. I apologize for highjacking Pred8tor's thread.

You didn't answer my question. Do you participate on LDRider?

Curt

[crazykz]

I tried to answer your question. My second paragraph started with "Yes".

Like everyone here, I don't really care to know the details of their process. I just don't understand why it is so broken and why it is taking so very long to fix. It's not rocket science is it? So when everyone chants "You don't know how hard it is to...", I start to think how hard can it really be? Plenty of members would love to help if given the opportunity. When people say it's volunteer, I say BS, Kneebone is earning something. (I don't have a problem with that and he certainly doesn't care if I do.)

The purpose of my questions was to get people to realize they don't have any facts, and they are chanting propaganda. Like I said, why doesn't the IBA provide some transparency on the process metrics to show they are making progress on the issue?

This is the type of thing that can at some point discourage participation and provide opportunities for other organizations. So my view is IBA members should be concerned and vocal, not chanting the party line.

Yes, Kneebone is paid but he's also not the one that does the majority of the certification process. He is responsible for overseeing it and if you would like to take that up with Mike by all means feel free. I'm not sure he's going to read this board though which again brings be to my point that I don't think discussing it in this thread is worthwhile. You really need to go to the source because I don't think you're going to attract a band of followers from here or LDR. I can't even imagine what would happen if we were having this discussion there. Oh man.

Mike does sign off on all certs. My guess, and I'm just guessing but that's all I can do because I don't work in the cert process, is that the cert process is not a published is to keep people from finding a way to defeat the system. And there have been plenty of posts about that happening so it does happen. Neither of us can say that it's hard to do or it isn't. You don't know what you don't know. I also believe that they genuinely want people to succeed. They aren't looking to screw you because you didn't document a time zone correctly or you missed a receipt but had the other 30 that were all accurate. But what lengths do they go to, to prove that you just missed a receipt and didn't take a short cut. Not all ride submissions are perfect works of art and so how much leaniancy do you give before you reject the ride? It's subjective and they know you laid down you're hard earned money and time to do the ride. There's an infinite amount of possibilities/reasons for something to be misdocumented on a ride but if they want to be sure that catch anyone trying to slip a bogus ride past them they are going to take the time to look up where you were, calculate when you would have been there, call to see if there is gas in that area during that time and within the miles you documented. If they approved your hardest ride ever and then the next week someone published that they submitted a bogus package for the same ride and it was approved which defunct the whole process what does that cert mean to you now? My point is don't assume something is or isn't hard if you're not doing it yourself.

I'm sort of getting long winded here. I think you're right to have these questions. I have some of the same questions. However I stop at the point of challenging the organization that does this because they believe in the sport. When you add money to the mix that's when people start getting upset with a process that doesn't work in the time they think it should work. Or it isn't done in the manner in which they think it should be done. But the process is owned by the organization. They are aware of the issue and they have been working to resolve it. Are there dissatisfied customers? I'm going to step way out on a limb here and say, "yes". Do I think the IBA could do better? I don't know. I'm not the IBA.

So I don't blindly accept what I read and what they have posted but I do respect the IBA for what they do and what they offer to LD riders. If I wanted to help I would volunteer to help but I'm fine with waiting and I'm smart enough not to make an assumption about how hard someone's job is or isn't when I know very little about what all it entails. If they want to keep that secret I actually think it's within their best interests to do so. I'm certainly not going step down from backing an organization that I have a lot of respect for just because someone wants to challenge me about the way that organization conducts its business.

I really don't have any issues with the way they do certificates, the time in which they deliver them, the number of people they assign to do it, whether they get paid or not, the process by which they certify them, or the fact that they don't publish that process. I do question these things when I'm thinking about when I'll receive my cert or whether they will accept my ride submission but not to the point where I'll start making assumptions about how easy it is to do and suggesting that they are taking people's money, sitting back on their butts, and not doing anything to improve the process.

I can see this is going to just get me in deeper. I understand you want the process documented, published, more people assigned, and proof of accountability. You also want people to question their process and be up front about who is getting paid for what. You want people to be held accountable. My question is why? Just to make you feel better? The only thing that is going to help in the end is to have more people involved in helping the IBA streamline the process. We aren't going to do that here.

I can see this is just going to get me into more trouble.

Curt

[sherob]

They had 2 experienced documenters quit last year... hired 2 new people, and had to let one go... rehire another. In the mix of this, you have to train them, correct errors, and still process certs. Last year was a great riding season... more certs to process. The more complicated the ride, the longer it is going to take to verify. I would also add that if you did a SS1k, it'll take longer because more riders are doing those to join the club. If you ride in a prequalified/sanctioned ride, you'll get your cert quicker because of less verification needed by the IBA since they were there to verify it during the run.

This year is the IBR... they have to get that going too... which started last year. As Curt said, Kneebone goes over every cert before it is approved... QC on his part. Others have tried to volunteer, but unless you live in the Chicago area, your not going to get the job.

[MilesFromNowhere]

Curt:

Diversity of opinion is a good thing. There is no reason why your view has to agree with my own. I don't have a problem with your post or your view.

To clarify a few points:

I don't think the IBA should disclose its process (or methods) for certifying rides to the general public. But we all know that documenting a process helps others understand it and helps those involved improve it. So a documented process internally available to those that needed it might help with training more certifiers. It might also help improve the process. That's why I mentioned documenting the process.

No doubt there are tricks/techniques to spotting a bogus submission. However I don't correlate that with difficulty or extended processing time. In fact, the longer these things sit in the queue, the harder they are to certify.

I do think the IBA should expose more aggregate metrics, set a reasonable goal for cert time and make effective actions towards reaching that goal. I don't see the "effective" part happening yet. For Pete's sake, can't they even post they received your submission and where it is in the queue on a web site? Not only would it help submitters, it would relieve the burden of answering those questions via email. Is any of this stuff automated? A lot of members could help automate the process with imaging, databases and web tools, so a select staff of remotely located volunteers could certify.

Questioning my motives again (see earlier posts) is your way of redirecting focus off the problem. The effectiveness of the cert process has nothing to do with you or me. Like most, I have accepted the delays, explanations for a long time. But with times pushing out past 9-10 months now, I am wondering if anything is improving.

[crazykz]

Well I have to think that the process is documented. I can't believe they leave it all up to training but I don't know.

I think checking a discrepancy would take more time because it may involve some investigation such as calling a business during the day, etc. An obvious illegitimate ride wouldn't take much time but maybe a faked receipt or deviation in route might take more time than a packet that is orderly. So I disagree on that point. Agree to disagree.

Being a web developer there is easy ways to post something but coordinating all that information and having a way for multiple people to enter that data or ask one person to do it is difficult. Not impossible... just not as easy as it seems. There are easy ways to do it though but if they are already over burdened that may be hard to add to the list of tasks they need to do.

I hope they are working towards a way to revamp the process but until then I'll just have to wait.

Curt

[Tarheel_Rider]

If it makes any difference, as the thread starter, I'd rather we focus this thread on reporting when rides occurred and certs arrive. I think it would be helpful to have a general idea of when to expect the certification. While I'm looking forward to the cert coming, I'm not frustrated by the delay.



Not to stir this mess up again, but I promised Jeff I would post when I got the IBA notification. It's official, my ride was certified. Of course the e-mail said it would still be several weeks before I got the certificate in the mail, but there you have it - just under 7 months from the submittal of the ride documentation to e-mail notifying certification. Of course, Jeff is on his x-country X2 jaunt, so won't even see this, but for those of you looking for an indication of when things might transpire with your certification, here's one data point. YMMV

[crazykz]

Thanks for letting us know Joel. I'm still waiting patiently. Ok, maybe not so patiently. ;)

Curt

[Steve Jones]

...the number of fraudulent submissions is growing just as fast?

***? Where are these fraudulent submissions coming from? Who would do that, and why? That just boggles my mind.

I would think that it would be easy to put an end to it... have the submission include signing a form that says if your submission is found to be fraudulent, you consent to have your name added to a list of cheaters that will be available on the Iron Butt website.

Geez... the occasional cheat I can understand... but a flood of them? I cannot get my mind around it.

[STPaulK]

***? Where are these fraudulent submissions coming from? Who would do that, and why?

I used that as a blanket description for all submissions that are not following the rules set forth. I have heard the number of people doing saddlesores have increased dramatically and the number of incorrect submissions is growing proportionally. Maybe not malicious as much as inaccurate or incomplete.

[Steve Jones]

I used that as a blanket description for all submissions that are not following the rules set forth...

Ahhh... that is an equine of an entirely different hue...

That does make sense. The rules can be a little difficult for those who don't pay proper attention... even a little difficult for those who DO pay attention... so it makes sense to me that the quality of submissions is dropping as the volume increases.

Glad to hear it isn't a thundering horde of cheaters crashing the party.

[STPaulK]

Glad to hear it isn't a thundering horde of cheaters crashing the party.

Unfortunately those submissions have the same effect. I personally know of a small group that rode 1000 miles, then decided after the fact to submit the paperwork for certification. They all have gas receipts showing their trail. But not all riders have receipts from the same stops and none were signed. I have no idea what their status is but it would seem it should be tossed out right away although someone is still going to spend time to figure out they didn't follow the rules (as we still wait for ours from last Memorial weekend). :mad:

[v65saber]

I'll point out you didn't answer the question. I was asking does Kneebone earn some income from application fees or not? How much income does he make? What percentage of the fees go where?

It's great if he does. I just doubt it is all volunteer work.

Perhaps it's hard for you to be objective.



Kneebone has a everyday job.

[Yogi]

I'm still waiting for my SS1000 certification from back in September. I remember there were several other riders on the waiting list, too. I received an email a few months ago apologizing for the delay, and I understand what that's all about.

If we could post on this thread when we receive our certifications, those of us still waiting may be be able to get an idea of when we may received ours.


I just received mine today 5/1/07 from the one I did on July 7 2006 and sent the paperwork in the following week. They lost some of their certifiers but are working on catching up

[motomac]

WoooooHooooo!!!!! I sent my BBG in on April 3rd and they cashed my check today. Now what the heck does that mean?????????????

[STill Fiddlin]

WoooooHooooo!!!!! I sent my BBG in on April 3rd and they cashed my check today. Now what the heck does that mean?????????????Maybe they started getting a lot of checks back/bounced because they waited too long to cash them, so they've changed their process. Or, did you slip an extra 20 in the envelope?

My check was cashed almost 3 months ago (early October submission), but I was told that only meant that it passed the initial paperwork check. Still waiting, and 2 more in the pipe now. Well, just put the ST-owners.com bracket back on with the new plate the state sent me for no apparent reason. Maybe the IBA one will show up someday.

[motomac]

Thanks Keith. At least I know they got the package. No, no extra $$$$. Remember I'm retired and don't really have a lot of grease to hand out.

Another note: The riders rally group has put up a special site to collect money for Sheila Winnie. She's the lady that broke the 100,000 mile in a year record and they are trying to raise enough money to buy her a new GL 1800. (ABS model no less)

[Pred8tor]

Not to stir this mess up again, but I promised Jeff I would post when I got the IBA notification. It's official, my ride was certified.

Congratulations, Joel! So you were notified via email before receiving the package?

[Tarheel_Rider]

Congratulations, Joel! So you were notified via email before receiving the package?

Took about a week and half to get the physical package after the email notice.

[motomac]

WOW, it has been a looooong time since this thread was updated!!! I just received my certification for the BBG I did last March 29th. I sent in the package in April 3, 2007 and they cashed my check on May 2, 2007. Hopefully those of you who have been waiting will get yours soon.

[crazykz]

WOW, it has been a looooong time since this thread was updated!!! I just received my certification for the BBG I did last March 29th. I sent in the package in April 3, 2007 and they cashed my check on May 2, 2007. Hopefully those of you who have been waiting will get yours soon.

Glad to hear it Mac.

Me and RocketCowboy are still waiting for ours from June of 2006. Ugh. I'm still waiting patiently.

Curt

[motomac]

Glad to hear it Mac.

Me and RocketCowboy are still waiting for ours from June of 2006. Ugh. I'm still waiting patiently.

Curt

Curt, There may be some kind of mix up. Did they cash your checks? A friend of mine had a SS 1000 get lost and they didn't cash his check and he e-mailed Mike. Mike had him resubmit his package and he got the SS cert a few months later. Bill is still waiting for his BBG that he made by 18 MINUTES!!!!

[crazykz]

Curt, There may be some kind of mix up. Did they cash your checks? A friend of mine had a SS 1000 get lost and they didn't cash his check and he e-mailed Mike. Mike had him resubmit his package and he got the SS cert a few months later. Bill is still waiting for his BBG that he made by 18 MINUTES!!!!

This was a pretty big packet. It's a 100CCC, SS5K, and a B2B Insanity over about 6 days.

I hate to bug them but you might be right. Maybe it went into the "Impossible to Verify" pile.

Curt

[motomac]

This was a pretty big packet. It's a 100CCC, SS5K, and a B2B Insanity over about 6 days.

I hate to bug them but you might be right. Maybe it went into the "Impossible to Verify" pile.

Curt
Someone at Stagecoach told me that there is a special section for 48+'s, CC's and 10 10's. Don't know if he knows what he was talking about, but that's what he said. Now, I didn't know you could lump all those into one package either. Not "Impossible to Verify" but a heck of a job no matter how you look at it.

[STill Fiddlin]

I got my email and package about a week+ later, back in October - pretty much 1 year exactly after submitting the paperwork, 10/2006. Haven't heard anything about the rides submitted last April, but they flushed a bunch through the past couple of months, so maybe they're starting to catch up.

[Kessie]

Got my Cert for my BBG sent in September 2006 in October 2007. It took 13 months. Just about the time I thought I would never get it , it showed up!! It was worth the wait!!
Kevin

[EASt]

I submitted my package end of August, got my certification beginning of December. I've got no problem with the lag time - do it right. I want to know that when I see an IBA plate frame on the road, that person endured the same rash that I did... :)

[crazykz]

I submitted my package end of August, got my certification beginning of December. I've got no problem with the lag time - do it right. I want to know that when I see an IBA plate frame on the road, that person endured the same rash that I did... :)

I don't have a problem with the wait. I want it certified correctly. It's a big ride so I understand the length of time.

Curt

[KrazyKooter]

My father-in-law and I did a SS1k together in June 2007. He got his stuff about three weeks ago. I haven't yet. Mike Kneebone told me that something must have happened, like the cert was bent or something.

[Pred8tor]

Oh! I see this thread has resurfaced!

I finally got my cert in early November - nearly 14 months. I think it got misplaced somehow. But after emailing Mike Kneebone it was taken care of pretty quickly. They returned my old (old, old) check, and I sent in a new one to cover the expenses.

From what I read, things are a lot better now. I may do another ride in the Spring.

[DRAFT1]

I just received mine yesterday. We made our run in March of '07. So it looks like 9 to 10 months. It was a group of 6 of us that submitted in a packet. Our checks were cashed way before receiving the certificate. Hope this helps anyone wondering.

[number9]

I did a SS1000 with the Motorcycle Tourers Forum on June 16 2007 and still haven't seen my cert yet. I know others have been getting theirs that did SS's around that time though.

..

[keywestwego]

Just received my cert yesterday for a SS1000 I did in March 07. Mike sent a nice letter explaining why the long delay now I can proudly display the plate and have people ask what in the world it means to have an "Iron Butt". My wife said I had a "squessie tooshie" after the ride not an Iron Butt. Anyway, just give them time, it will come.

[number9]

Got my cert in the mail today :woo

[George]

I've not yet received a certification. OTOH, I've never applied for one so we're even. :D

_I_ know what I've done, don't need anyone else to acknowledge it.

[1ktoday2next]

SS1000 on 06.21.07 with 2 other guys, received certification 11.15.07.

SS1000 on 07.26.07 2 up, received certification 12.31.07.

Full documentation with each gas stop receipt numbered and each corresponding gas stop number shown on the ride map. Also provided odometer mileage and map mileage for each gas stop, with total map mileage and odometer mileage.

IBA 30365

[NoBull]

Mike Kneebone sent me a letter...BB1500 done in Sept 07, received paperwork today....Now I need to plan a ss2000....Woohoo

[the_gr8t_waldo]

did my ss1k oct 11, 2006. submited packet mid spring. recived my cert. mid december. #31223. turn around time was much like i expected. in the works is a b2b, and c2c , probably late summer

[KrazyKooter]

My number is 31213, only ten from yours. I don't have my cert yet.

[Kempo-STer]

Need a piece of paper to let you know you rode far???

Make one up on your PC and frame it...

C'mon guys..ya gotta admit it just a liiiiitle silly no?:scared2:

[NoBull]

Kempo, for me it was different. I have done long rides not affiliated with IBA. Doing a ride while on the clock, the added excitement of getting proper paperwork, gas reciepts etc adds a little something. The certificate is like the pictures you take of the trip, bring back all the excitement. I did a group BB1500 last summer, seeing others along the way. It was cool. The cert is a small part. Guess you need to try it to understand. I cant explain to the folks at work why I want to ride 1000 miles to get a burger either. But I do. I have more Iron Butt rides planned for this summer as well. I hope to work my way up the list of accomplishments. Heck you dont even get a piece of paper for doing rallies, and I will pay to do those as well..Silly yes, but I love it.

[Kempo-STer]

Kempo, for me it was different. I have done long rides not affiliated with IBA. Doing a ride while on the clock, the added excitement of getting proper paperwork, gas reciepts etc adds a little something. The certificate is like the pictures you take of the trip, bring back all the excitement. I did a group BB1500 last summer, seeing others along the way. It was cool. The cert is a small part. Guess you need to try it to understand. I cant explain to the folks at work why I want to ride 1000 miles to get a burger either. But I do. I have more Iron Butt rides planned for this summer as well. I hope to work my way up the list of accomplishments. Heck you dont even get a piece of paper for doing rallies, and I will pay to do those as well..Silly yes, but I love it.

I did 1200 miles in 22 hours last November from CT to FL.
There now let me print this out...LOL..
Frankly the paperwork seems like a Pain in the ash and would take away from the ride always worrying about receipts and witnesses and blah blah..
BB1500 is nuts though..bug kudos..

[the_gr8t_waldo]

during the summer months i ride to/from work with a bunch of harley riders. as you can imagine, i'm the stepchild of the group. everyone else is either polishing or paradeing their steads. my focus was on obtaining the license plate thingy. bragging rights of sorts.

[st11ray]

during the summer months i ride to/from work with a bunch of harley riders. as you can imagine, i'm the stepchild of the group. everyone else is either polishing or paradeing their steads. my focus was on obtaining the license plate thingy. bragging rights of sorts.

Yep,
That's why I did it, I had to have the license plate thingy!

[dduelin]

I documented a SS1000 on 12/29/07 and sent the packet off a month ago. The check was cashed this week, something like a month into it. I was expecting to wait much longer - is this about normal so far?

[crazykz]

I documented a SS1000 on 12/29/07 and sent the packet off a month ago. The check was cashed this week, something like a month into it. I was expecting to wait much longer - is this about normal so far?

Hey Dave,

Good to see you knocked one out. SS1K's usually go through pretty quick because they aren't too hard to verify. I'm still waiting for the one you witnessed for me and Charlie. Thanks again for coming out to do it. I know those big rides go in another pile so I don't have an issue with waiting. I'm just hoping they didn't lose it.

Curt

[keywestwego]

dduelin: I sent in an SS1000 back in April 07 and the check was cashed very quickly. I didn't receive my cert until Jan. 08....go figure.

[motomac]

Dave, when I sent my package they cashed my check one month to the day of sending it in, but I didn't get my cert until eight more months had passed.

[Kempo-STer]

send me a check..I'll make up license plates for you guys and even print something out on my PC...and I will do it in half the time as this so called IBA...

..all to get a ride 'certified'???!! C'MON!!!!!
Do you really need the validation????...You have an ST..that shoud be enough..
It's kind like buying a Harley because it says ''Hey I'm tough"!!! I can hang....silly..very silly..

:p: :mw1:

[alan]

Negativity is Easy.. Being a positive force and helping others takes courage and fortitude. Ride ON!


You are violating the sprit of your signature line. You replied in a negative manner.:o:

[KrazyKooter]

send me a check..I'll make up license plates for you guys and even print something out on my PC...and I will do it in half the time as this so called IBA...


That's the entire point of the validation process. If you see someone with an IBA backplate, they have done the ride, not just print something on a printer or made their own plate backing.

[Kempo-STer]

You are violating the sprit of your signature line. You replied in a negative manner.:o:

No..just an opinion..

BTW still waiting for my IBA plate:D

[NMdcporter]

Things seem to be getting better. I received 2 rides from 06 (14 month wait longest) back in December and I just received 2 rides from 07 (8 month wait longest). None of those rides were 1K all different (B2B, 50CC, BB1500, and SS2000). I was expecting the 50CC to be like my B2B (14 months) so shocked when I opened the mail Saturday and there was the 50CC.

[crazykz]

Glad to see some people are getting theirs. I really should ask if they lost mine. I don't really care when I get them but it would be nice to know they aren't lost.

May 06: 100CCC, SS5K, B2B Insanity
July 07: BBG Trifecta

Curt

[KrazyKooter]

I finally got mine on Thursday. Nice Valentines day gift. They were mailed to my old address, even though I sent an e-mail stating that I've moved. Glad to have it.

[UNTMatt]

Glad to see some people are getting theirs. I really should ask if they lost mine. I don't really care when I get them but it would be nice to know they aren't lost.

May 06: 100CCC, SS5K, B2B Insanity
July 07: BBG Trifecta

Curt

As far back as that was, I'd ask just to set myself at ease. The worst they can say is that they are still processing it.

[crazykz]

As far back as that was, I'd ask just to set myself at ease. The worst they can say is that they are still processing it.

I asked just to make sure they were not lost. The SS5K and the B2B Insanity have been approved. Still waiting on the 100CCC and the BBG Trifecta.

Curt

[dduelin]

How big of an envelope does it come in? We throw away a lot of junk mail and I'm afraid it will get thrown away if it comes in a letter-sized envelope

[crazykz]

How big of an envelope does it come in? We throw away a lot of junk mail and I'm afraid it will get thrown away if it comes in a letter-sized envelope

All the certs I have received always come in the large manila envelopes.

Curt

[SteveST1300]

I did a ss1K in June and got ther Cert in a couple of weeks ago. Curt you are right it came in a brown envelope. :03biker:

[dompa894]

Hi all ...

It's time for me to plan a BBG or a 50 CC .... but I like doing these rides with another rider ... so ... anyone planning a ride that will start in the eastern US?

[crazykz]

Hi all ...

It's time for me to plan a BBG or a 50 CC .... but I like doing these rides with another rider ... so ... anyone planning a ride that will start in the eastern US?

You may want to try asking on the LDRider mailing list also.

Here's a link on how to join:
http://www.ldriders.com/html/the_list.html

If you don't have a separate email address for mailing lists, forums, etc. you may want to create one. Gmail is free.

Curt

[dduelin]

Well well, I got an e-mail from M. Kneebone with IBA letting me know my SS100 on 12/29/07 was approved and my stuff will be coming in the mail in a few weeks. I was prepared to wait many months or maybe to next year from what I had heard from others. This is a nice surprise to receive a welcome letter so soon.

[crazykz]

My BBG4500 has been approved and my B2B Gold, SS5K, and 100CCC are in the works.

It will be good to have those.

Curt

[Andy Kirby]

I've not read the entire post but Mike told us at the Pizza party that there are now 5 folks working on the verification and they have just about caught up.

I waited for an SS2K from 2006 for just over a year but an SS1K from LOE took around four months. Mike did mention that he had some Big Dog rides, Kurt are you listening:D , on his desk still to certify.

Remeber people, he has a day job and still approves every single certificate personally, that goes out, I've had some nice notes about routing on one or two certificates that he's made. How easy would it be to just print your own but what would that be worth?

The IBA is a class act and maybe that fact has delayed things but I'd rather wait a year for something that means a great deal to me than simply go the instant gratification route.

Cheers

Andy

[crazykz]

Hi Andy,

Yes I'm listening. This thread wasn't started as a ***** session. The three rides I'm waiting for were in 2006 and I started to worry they were lost.

I understand all the back ups that have happened and I'm not complaining one bit. I hesitated quite a bit to even ask if they still have my packets. Luckily they did and that's all I really needed to know. I'm glad they are still doing it and making head way.

Curt

[KrazyKooter]

My BBG4500 has been approved and my B2B Gold, SS5K, and 100CCC are in the works.

It will be good to have those.

Curt

I've read your report on the Trifecta. After doing "only" one BBG, I am in awe of anyone doing three in a row. :bow1:

On a similar note, I was looking at the list of completed rides and there were only 6 listed for the BBG Trifecta, with you being one of them, Curt. I noticed of the 6 people listed, half of them were on a Honda ST1300. That alone let's me know I bought the right bike for LD riding.

[crazykz]

I've read your report on the Trifecta. After doing "only" one BBG, I am in awe of anyone doing three in a row. :bow1:

On a similar note, I was looking at the list of completed rides and there were only 6 listed for the BBG Trifecta, with you being one of them, Curt. I noticed of the 6 people listed, half of them were on a Honda ST1300. That alone let's me know I bought the right bike for LD riding.

Yep. That's pretty impressive stats for the bike. Someone told me that I'm the first to do that ride in the summer. Not sure if that makes a difference but I'll take it as a first.

Curt

[Shuey]

First, thanks for this thread. I just read the whole thing and it's encouraging to be able to see the submission/receipt time lag shortening. Thanks for putting it up.

It looks like things are speeding up. My submission for BBG and 50CC was received in Illinois on 17Mar08. I'll respond back as something happens.

The IBA provided some excitement for the ride and the collection of receipts and start/finish witnesses isn't a problem - it was part of the fun! I keep the receipts anyway to match up with my billing statement later and the "witnesses" are really nice people.

I'm enjoying the LD riding, kind of growing into it, and don't expect to apply for certificates for every ride. I AM looking forward to the certificate and recognition though, and the plate frame is a good conversation starter to meet new people, AND I'm not concerned about how long it takes. It'll get here when it does.

Lots of smiles out there waiting to be seen! :) Lots of roads I haven't ridden. :)

[Doobage]

Okay, I'm probably in line with Kemp-STer, in thinking I probably don't need the cert. But it seems that the whole discussion on "process" and "validation" is WAY too slow.

When I get receipts for business trips at gas stations, it has everything on it from the location and time to all the other bits, like how many gallons/cost.

Using a spreadsheet or a database I can easily write something that allows one to enter the address and time. Using something like google maps, you can simply validate by entering Point A and Point B and seeing what the distance is. Put that number in and using the time field it would calculate the average speed between stops. If the value is too high, then clearly it's not valid. If the trip is a series of loops that come back on itself, then it's difficult to validate using that logic, but you can still use the time stamp to determine how much fuel was used between fill ups. (If I leave Point A, go 150 miles and then come back another 150 and fill up at Point A again) I will have shown that I burned 300 miles of fuel between fill-ups. It might not show where I've gone, but I'm not validating a route, I'm validating miles ridden. Then only way to falsify this information would be to fill up another container with roughly the same amount so you get the appropriate receipt within the time frame slot required to prove you haven't gone too fast.

A ride that has qualifiers at specific points should be instantaneous validation. Sure, somebody could go through the trouble of riding onto a trailer and being hauled between points, but how much lying is somebody trying to avoid?

Driving a car and collecting the receipts would mean that you'd need to be slightly clever in filling up with roughly 7 gallons of gas, get a receipt, and then fill up the rest with another receipt that you can ignore. Drive 300 miles and repeat. A witness can always be bought. If people want to cheat, they will.

I guess the other question that should be asked is how many certs. are being submitted per week?

[crazykz]

People have tried to submit fraudulant rides so the IBA makes every effort to make sure that when you get a certificate it's because you did the ride.

Read the whole thread and you may get some answers to your questions. There's over 30000 people in the IBA and more joining everyday. I don't know how many they get a week but I'll bet the amount isn't small. Each new certifier must be trained and it takes a while to do that.

Sorry, you can flame me if you want but I need to say this for anyone else that stumbles on this thread....

This thread isn't for *****ing. Nobody wants to hear it. This is merely a way to find out maybe where they are in the process without having to keep bugging the IBA about your particular cert.

Curt

[motomac]

+1 on Curt's comments. Predator started this thread to help all the folks waiting for their certifications. When I finally got mine I bumped it from dormancy from May of '07 to Jan '08.

[Doobage]

Hi Curt...actually, I did read the whole thread and it seemed there was a pretty lengthy discussion regarding the documentation of the process (even if for only internal usage).

I'm by no means *****ing about anything since I don't ever plan to be certified. It's more or less a philosophical question of how much training does it take to enter numbers in a spreadsheet?

For clarity, how many certs occur on "controlled" certs vs. "non-controlled" certs. From what I have been able to find out, the first IBA was in 1984. So of the 30,000 members, it's been 24 years getting to that number. That averages around 105 a month. (clearly some months are going to have higher volumes than others).

But in a controlled event, the certification should be pretty straight forward. You are leaving Point A, ending at Point B, over a specific time. Checking in, checking out and collecting your receipts as you go for secondary validation.

That probably covers a significant portion of the riders that should apparently be awarded instantly (at the event). If that covers roughly 70% of the members, then that means somebody needs to process an average of 1 per day for the remaining certs.

Again...I'm not complaining since I'm not certifying. Just working the fuzzy math.

So if my procedure is entering in numbers into a spreadsheet that can easily flag errors for somebody that claims to have gone too fast, or presented receipts that are out of the appropriate time range, then that leaves a very small percentage that would require better explanation...by looking at a route map.

I guess I'm just surprised at people that have posted waiting 2 years for something that would take perhaps 5 minutes to enter into a database. And maybe another 10 minutes to actually validate on google maps if required.

Training a replacement would seem to require basic knowledge of entering receipt information into a database (or spreadsheet) and perhaps the use of google maps if something looked suspicious.

Maybe there is something significantly more involved, but I can't imagine it involves interrogating gas station attendants about a regular gas fill up from two years ago?

I dunno, the whole [process] thing seems very odd to me.

[crazykz]

I see your point Doobage. Everyone I think is curious about the process.

They do the best they can with what they have and I'm happy with that.

Curt

[BadgerMan]

Or one could go through a "Cert Mill" http://www.longdistanceriders.net/ , but I prefer the IBA....

[dduelin]

This thread is nearly a year old and a lot of things can change in a year.

I received my certification for a 12/19/2007 SS1000 this week that I submitted the first week of January 2008 - so things are speeding up. I think less than 3 months is very reasonable.

I made sure to send Mr. Kneebone a thank you in response.

[Flaldrider]

I completed a Saddle Sore 1K on January 5, 2008 and received my IBA certificate on March 21, 2008. Not a bad turnaround.

Mike

[crazykz]

To let people know SS1K's usually get a pretty fast turn around because they are one of the easiest to certify. The longer rides 50CC, 100CC, B2B, etc. take longer. I was able to get my BBG Trifecta certified before my 100CCC/B2B/SS5K just because it's easier to certify. Those rides were more than a year apart.

Curt

[KrazyKooter]

To let people know SS1K's usually get a pretty fast turn around because they are one of the easiest to certify. The longer rides 50CC, 100CC, B2B, etc. take longer. I was able to get my BBG Trifecta certified before my 100CCC/B2B/SS5K just because it's easier to certify. Those rides were more than a year apart.

Curt

Curt, you need to update your website. Any way we can get you to post the write up on that ride (100CCC/B2B/SS5k)? I'd love to read it.

[crazykz]

Curt, you need to update your website. Any way we can get you to post the write up on that ride (100CCC/B2B/SS5k)? I'd love to read it.

Update what? It's right here:
http://www.hard-core-ware.com/trips/100ccc-b2b/index.php

It's 11 pages long so you might want to pack a lunch.

Curt

[KrazyKooter]

Now I feel like an idiot :o:. I guess I was looking in the wrong spot for it.

[NoBull]

Quick Thread Hyjack sorry- Curt I just read your ride story on your site, very impressive. Did you have to build up to those kind of rides or is it in your blood? The more I ride the farther I go, the farther I dream about going. Im not new to riding but am very new to LD or Iron Butt type rides. Im very impressed with your accomplishments..

[crazykz]

Quick Thread Hyjack sorry- Curt I just read your ride story on your site, very impressive. Did you have to build up to those kind of rides or is it in your blood? The more I ride the farther I go, the farther I dream about going. Im not new to riding but am very new to LD or Iron Butt type rides. Im very impressed with your accomplishments..

Hi Nick,

It may be a little of both but I did work up to those rides however I seem to have been drawn to long distance riding for a long time.

I think it would be foolish to take on a ride of that magnitude without tackling some smaller ones first. I think the biggest ride I did before that was a BBG and a Great Lakes Gold which is basically the same distance as a 50cc. It's hard for me to get enough time to get to the west coast so I did a Great Lakes Gold instead of a 50cc but I really did want to do a 100CCC. I'm glad Charlie suggested it and we got the chance to do it. The SS5K was just opportunity and the B2B Insanity was something I wanted to attempt since the west coast is one of the easiest ways to accomplish it.

Curt

[Shuey]

It looks like things are speeding up. My submission for BBG and 50CC was received in Illinois on 17Mar08. I'll respond back as something happens.


Just received an email today (17Apr08) from Michael Kneebone at IBA that my ride has been approved and paperwork will follow in the next few weeks.

IBA# 33394 :toot1:

That's only 1 month turn around for a 50CC and BBG - sounds reasonable to me!
:) :07biker:

[BrianR]

Hi Nick,

It's hard for me to get enough time to get to the west coast so I did a Great Lakes Gold instead of a 50cc but I really did want to do a 100CCC.

Curt

I think those Great Lakes rides and the Top Down rides were created just for the "middle of the country" guys. There were continual requests for doing a 100CCC starting in the middle of the country etc.

Those rides were created to be somewhat comparable in difficulty and I think a great addition to the list of rides. There are also many other rides that few know about because the list of rides has not been updated for years (but I understand the rules and ride list is being worked on).

Good on ya Curt!!

Brian R.

[Shuey]

Just received an email today (17Apr08) from Michael Kneebone at IBA that my ride has been approved and paperwork will follow in the next few weeks.

That's only 1 month turn around for a 50CC and BBG - sounds reasonable to me!


Paperwork, pins and certificates arrived yesterday, 26Apr08! 9 days after the heads-up email. I think IBA is up and running at full steam. :)

[motomac]

Paperwork, pins and certificates arrived yesterday, 26Apr08! 9 days after the heads-up email. I think IBA is up and running at full steam. :)
Well that is a big WOW and congratulations Shuey!!!

[crazykz]

I got word last night that my two certificate packages are on the way within the next couple weeks.

The BBG Trifecta and my 100CCC/B2B Insanity/SS5K should be arriving soon.

Curt

[motomac]

I got word last night that my two certificate packages are on the way within the next couple weeks.

The BBG Trifecta and my 100CCC/B2B Insanity/SS5K should be arriving soon.

CurtI'm sure you feel a bit better knowing those runs are in the record books, congratulations Curt.

[crazykz]

I'm sure you feel a bit better knowing those runs are in the record books, congratulations Curt.

Hey Mac, yes, I'm relieved that they are approved.

Mike has been in touch with me a couple times in the past couple months to let me know the progress. I can tell it's been a hard year or two for Mike because he sounded really tired. He's been getting the new people up to speed and making sure that the process is still solid in its verification process. My hat is off to Mike and his team. I know most in the past are disappointed with the turn around. I was more concerned with the amount of work that Mike and his team had to put in to catch up after losing a core group of certifiers.

I'm glad to see they have turned the corner on the back log and hopefully Mike will get back to riding.

Curt

[05ST1300ABS]

I got word last night that my two certificate packages are on the way within the next couple weeks.

The BBG Trifecta and my 100CCC/B2B Insanity/SS5K should be arriving soon.

Curt

Curt/Charlie...I just read your whole report and put on about 400 calories(Pepsi)...

I stayed with Charlie up in Indiana a few years ago when his ST was almost brand new. Your ride report was great...the writing, the pictures...and your emotional parts too. Im sure for anyone that has been out there 24 hours or more day after day can attest to the nerves might(lol) just be a little thin sometimes.

I believe I will plan some longer rides in the future but have been doing some in-state rides to build experience and planning and timing. I just purchased a 2610 to view my figures for the next 5-6 rides this year.

You really did an Ironbutt ride on that journey. Congrats on your TriFecta of Cerficates...

You earned every mile and thank you for sharing.

[NoBull]

Curt how long did it actually take, Im still waiting for my BBG I did in July. My last bb1500 took a year, but a recent ss1000 only took 4 weeks. It was 2 months after the BBG. I cant wait...

[STill Fiddlin]

They haven't even cashed my check from July. It's a busy time for them. Who knows. They always catch up eventually.

[NoBull]

Keith, a cashed check means the certs coming . Didnt really expect it for awhile, but being a non IBA year I thought maybe they would have caught up. Update they cashed my check this week...Hopefully its on the way..

[Andy Kirby]

Keith, a cashed check means the certs coming

Not quite, it DOES mean your documentation has passed a 'preliminary audit' but the full check has not yet been performed and of course, every certificate goes across "Lord Kneebone's" desk but the chances you'll pass audit are very, very good. It does not necessarily mean you'll get your certificate within a week or so.

Congratulations.

Andy

[NoBull]

Dang Andy, I was all excited...:lol: Actually I wasnt expecting anything for quite some time, I was surprised to see the check cashed.

[Kempo-STer]

Yes because without the checks..you really didn't do the mileage:nuts1:

[NoBull]

Kempo Kempo Kempo, I see you fully understand. You are indeed correct, without the check I didnt actually accomplish my mission. On a serious note, my reasoning is this, without sometype of documentation on my Iron Butt rides, my multiday rallies paperwork, etc. I would have no chance what so ever of competing in the 2011 Iron Butt Rally. Im not ready for 2009, but hopefully by 2011 I will have the rides, rallies and experience to compete in such an event. Then I will write the big check and be in the big show...Hey I can dream....:mcrider:

[NoBull]

Cert came today, that was pretty quick. Ride was in July. Woo hoo

[Tourin']

Mine was an organized ride, where they forwarded the information, and riders did not. Funny, juST today out of curiosity, I looked at their Site. Looks like they advise people that they run 60 days behind, so not to worry. But I'm glad to see this thread surface and help us be informed.:07biker: