Tent Cot???

[bygdawg]

Anyone ever tried one of these?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0034805516987a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=tent+cot&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=tent+cot&noImage=0

I wonder how hard it would be to carry on the ST.

[Trekker]

I haven't used that cot before, but do use cots when my wife & I car camp. The biggest issue with taking a cot along on the bike is the length... these things packed sized are usually a little long and would stick out both sides when strapped on the back seat or rack, (obviously not a problem if you use a trailer).

edit- I should have looked at the link before posting! (it was coming up slow so I jumped) That thing is huge!

[Mellow]

Are you looking for something that's easy to setup?

Or just like being off the ground?

The look of the packed version seems too square and with the Single - 32"W x 84"L x 36"H size I'm thinking it might be 32x36 packed... which is pretty big...

There are separate cots that pack much smaller and obvisouly, a tent packs pretty small.

You could find that one tent you just throw in the air and it unravels and sets itself up... :hat1: :cf1:

[George]

Jay, I carry one similar to this, along with my 7x7 tent. Take a look at any o fht epics of my bike from Moonshine and you can see both along with my self-inflating pad, strapped above my spare tires. There is still room for a kitchen sink. ;^)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0006805512148a&navCount=2&podId=0006805&parentId=cat20146&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20075-cat601644-cat20146&catalogCode=IH&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20146&hasJS=true

[Howard C.]

Hey ya'll, check out this site www.campingcot.com they are made right here in Al. The Go-Kot Air Spring version is what you want. Packs up small.
Howard C.

[Sink]

How about this one?

More my speed for camping... (http://www.selectcomfort.com/air_mattress_beds/sleep_number_9000.cfm)

Or Easier to haul... (http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/html/ComfortHome) (notice the waffle)

[Mellow]

Maybe the throw tent is the way to go....

http://seconds.quechua.com/EN/main.html

[MidLife]

Are you looking for something that's easy to setup?

You could find that one tent you just throw in the air and it unravels and sets itself up... :hat1: :cf1:


Like this one (http://seconds.quechua.com/EN/main.html)or this one (http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=4541923067560029489&hl=fr)?

Or the biker specific model (http://www.khyam.fr/Tentes-Automatiques_5_Tente-randonnee-trekking__BIKER.html)?

[MidLife]

Maybe the throw tent is the way to go....

http://seconds.quechua.com/EN/main.html

You beat me to it! The second model is more practical to transport on a bike though!

[bygdawg]

Actually, I don't camp as much as I used to, but I was thinking of maybe getting something that could serve both purposes. That way, you don't have to carry along a sleeping mat or other type of cushion for sleeping on beneath your bag. Also, this looked like it got you off the ground, which is supposedly a good thing for heat purposes. I'd never get that pop-up tent folded back the right way. I have a pop-up hunting blind and ever since I opened that thing, I can't get it back the way it was. LOL

Thanks,
bygdawg

[Mellow]

There are issues with single walled tents - typically, condensation... Eureka makes the zues line of tents that should set up as fast or faster than the one video..

http://www.campmor.com/images/tents/larger/28365_l.jpg (http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39195391&memberId=12500226)

http://www.campmor.com/images/tents/larger/24215_l.jpg (http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39282594&memberId=12500226)

I think there's someone here that has one of these and also on the MotoCampers (http://www.MotoCampers.com)site.

[Mellow]

Actually, I don't camp as much as I used to, but I was thinking of maybe getting something that could serve both purposes. That way, you don't have to carry along a sleeping mat or other type of cushion for sleeping on beneath your bag. Also, this looked like it got you off the ground, which is supposedly a good thing for heat purposes. I'd never get that pop-up tent folded back the right way. I have a pop-up hunting blind and ever since I opened that thing, I can't get it back the way it was. LOL

Thanks,
bygdawg

Having air underneath you during the cold can be much worse than sleeping on the ground.

For me, an air mattress that's 3-4 inches thick works well. In the hot weather it just doesn't matter but in the cold your body has to heat the air in the mattress so if the mattress is too thick is can suck your heat from you.. thermorests have foam some closed cell open cell... I can't remember but they also aren't thick and the combo allows you to heat the mattress without it taking too much of your heat.

I also have a fleece liner that I put around my air mattress to help insulate it.. hot weather really isn't an issue... it's the cold that will get ya...

[bygdawg]

I simply can't camp in the hot weather, but I can make do as long as it's not much above 75 or so. I can't sleep if I'm hot. I thought the tent/cot idea might serve as a good way of getting back into camping a bit. I just don't know if there'd be any way to lay it flat behind me on the bike without having problems. I have also seen some hanging tents, but you have to find two trees close together to use those. I forget the name and where they were, but they were kind of interesting.

[Raven]

Here's an interesting small cot (http://luxurylite.com/cotindex.html) for camping that I seriously considered but ended up going with a Hennessy Hammock (http://www.hennessyhammock.com/) instead!

http://luxurylite.com/PM02cot.jpg

[BigTom]

I really like the look of the Hennesy. Some of the KLR guys use them....With or without trees or rocks or what ever. One I know carries a couple of serious long web straps and can set it up almost anyplace, except the very flat desert.

[bygdawg]

That Hammock was more along the lines of what I was talking about earlier.

[Raven]

The Hennesey is REALLY nice. I have mine set-up with "snake-skin" covers that slide over the hammock and fly and can set-up or taken down in less than 3 minutes (with practice you could do it in about a minute). I use double rings on each end of the hammock (tied of with the paracord the hammock comes with) and then use long web-straps that I can run around the tree (or other upright) and then pass through the double rings (like the d-rings on your helmet) so I don't have to mess with knots even. Once it's hung, I can sit on the exterior of the hammock and use it as a camp stool while I cook dinner or read and the tarp gives me a sheltered space to work in.

I've had a Double Eagle hammock for years that I carried on trips (it's more compact than the Hennesey but doesn't include the tarp or bug-netting) but recently went with the Hennesey because of ease of entry and exit and the desire to spend more time camping. It's unique bottom entry makes it very easy to get in and out of even if you have bad knees (I've even heard of people with pretty intense physical dis-abilities being able to use the Hennesey system). Finally, there's nothing better than a good night's sleep after a long day riding! I've found I just can't get comfortable in a tent and am full of aches and pains the next day. Hammocks really solve that "hard ground, stiff joints" issue.

There are several really good online hammock communities (not unlike this ST community). My favorite is www.hammockforums.net.

Definitely check them out if you're interested in becoming a hanger.

[bygdawg]

Don't you sometimes have trouble finding two trees close enough together to work?

[Raven]

I have really long web straps (25 ft) and I also have a couple of climbing nuts & 'biners just in case I'm in a more mountainous area where there are rocks but not trees. In really flat places (like west Texas) worse case there are fence posts!

[Brad Felmey]

Anyone ever tried one of these?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0034805516987a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=tent+cot&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=tent+cot&noImage=0

I wonder how hard it would be to carry on the ST.

An email to Cabella's revealed that folded it's 36"x35"x8", also known in nautical circles as a sail. :eek:

[bygdawg]

LOL...I was afraid of that. I think one would need a trailer for hauling the thing. I guess I could always UPS it to myself. LOL

[Reg_Siemens]

+1 on Camping Cott. I haven't used my Thermarest since. The caution about needing a warmer bag since you're off the floor is true. I prefer to be cooler at night though so that suits me fine.

[bygdawg]

Too bad someone doesn't make one that folds down smaller. Guess I could take my cutting torch to it and add a bolt and screw system to it. Then again, that would make it a little harder to set up. LOL Maybe a cabin is the way for me. :o:

[Macedo]

Too bad someone doesn't make one that folds down smaller. Guess I could take my cutting torch to it and add a bolt and screw system to it. Then again, that would make it a little harder to set up. LOL Maybe a cabin is the way for me. :o:

Have you seen the tents on this site? http://www.nemoequipment.com/tents/gogo-tent I like the idea of "Air Supported Technology, no metal beams or support. The "GOGO" looks to be great for a solo and the "Morpho" with your lady.

:bow1: Thanks for the the Roll-Over bars, they fit and look good.

[bygdawg]

I'll checkout the site. Thanks. I'm glad you like the bars.

[Mellow]

Have you seen the tents on this site? http://www.nemoequipment.com/tents/gogo-tent I like the idea of "Air Supported Technology, no metal beams or support. The "GOGO" looks to be great for a solo and the "Morpho" with your lady.

:bow1: Thanks for the the Roll-Over bars, they fit and look good.

I'm not to sure about those... I see some negative points, pretty expensive and not too sure about the strength during high wind/rain situations. Just setting up in the rain would not be as fast as alum poles in my opinion.

However, the description of the technology supports it's stronger than alum poles.. .interesting. I don't see the packed dimensions which are important when packpacking/motocamping...

The price is a killer for me.. I can buy 3-4 Eureka Apex 2XT tents for one comparable nemo.. When that price comes down, I might give one a try.

If someone tries one I would be interested in hearing their opinions. Thanks for the heads up, it's always cool to see the latest and greatest innovations.

[motomac]

+1 on the EXPENSIVE!!!!!!

[bygdawg]

:eek: Too rich for my blood as well.

[Brad Felmey]

Nemo's site lists the packaged weight of the GoGo as 2.1 lbs, but no packaged dimensions. I have an email in to them now.

[AZST]

If only there were a site strictly devoted to the motorcycle camper. :rolleyes: :D

--Bryan
04ST1300A
:04biker:

[clmixon]

Bryan,

Go back to the other Walken pic for your avatar! As soon as I saw this one, all I could hear was the line that he was delivering...

(For those of you drawing a blank right now, pull out the Pulp Fiction DVD :eek: )

Chris :06biker:

[Brad Felmey]

An answer from nemoequipment.com on the packaged sizes:

Brad-
Thanks for your interest in NEMO Equipment! The GoGo is ideal for single person motorcycle adventures, and is very popular in the community. The packed size is 7"x 5.5", and the weight is 2.3lbs (packed). Also popular with motorcyclists is the Morpho; AirSupported, super spacious, 2-3 person, extended 3 season tent that packs down to 7"x 13" and 5.7lbs.
Thanks again for your interest and be sure to contact us with anymore questions or comments!

[Mellow]

Thanks Brad, that is about 2/3 to 1/2 the size of what my Eureka packs down to..

[bygdawg]

If only there were a site strictly devoted to the motorcycle camper. :rolleyes: :D

--Bryan
04ST1300A
:04biker:

If only someone would take the initiative to organize that. I think it would be a worthwhile cause, even to us non-campers. ;)

[Dave in MN]

As an alternative to cots ...

We've used Thermarest sleeping pads for quite a few years.
http://www.thermarest.com/product_selection.aspx?cID=2

Last year we tried an Outdoor Research SynMat and loved it. quite a bit thicker, about the same weight, just a little larger when rolled up.
http://www.outdoorresearch.com/home/category/home/exped_or/exped_mats

[bygdawg]

Those look comfy, but seem like they'd be kinda big to pack.

[clmixon]

I don't even camp and the Hennesy Hammock is calling to me :) That is one cool gadget, won't take up much space and would give an alternative to Motel 6 when needed.

May see if it would fit in the Seargent Seat tube...

Chris :06biker:

[bygdawg]

They do look nice. :-)

[bygdawg]

I wish that tent cot wasn't so darn big. If I could device a way to put it on the bike without taking flight I'd give it a try. :(

[STeve1300]

Hmmm Jay - You would have been as amazed as I was at CampSTOC when Lou65 (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/member.php?u=6692) simply brushed aside a pile of leaves off in the woods, rolled out his sleeping bag, and that was it! 40 degrees at night, no rain protection.... only a warning to the rest of us as to which direction NOT to relieve themselves in the middle of the night. Oh, and there were critters out as well! On the plus side... he was packed up in under 5 minutes!

[bygdawg]

Lou gets the tough man camper award in my book. :1st:

[clmixon]

Hmmm Jay - You would have been as amazed as I was at CampSTOC when Lou65 (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/member.php?u=6692) simply brushed aside a pile of leaves off in the woods, rolled out his sleeping bag, and that was it! 40 degrees at night, no rain protection.... only a warning to the rest of us as to which direction NOT to relieve themselves in the middle of the night. Oh, and there were critters out as well! On the plus side... he was packed up in under 5 minutes!


If he would have done that down here Steve, He would have been 4 pints of blood low in the morning...:D

Chris :06biker:

[bygdawg]

Yep...Skeeters are bad here in the South land. :D

[Mellow]

Hmmm Jay - You would have been as amazed as I was at CampSTOC when Lou65 (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/member.php?u=6692) simply brushed aside a pile of leaves off in the woods, rolled out his sleeping bag, and that was it! 40 degrees at night, no rain protection.... only a warning to the rest of us as to which direction NOT to relieve themselves in the middle of the night. Oh, and there were critters out as well! On the plus side... he was packed up in under 5 minutes!

He's a tougher and bolder man than I am... I at least like the tent to keep the bugs, snakes, spiders, etc out... There a picture, I think it's used to be on the aerostitch site with a little tent just big enough to cover someone's head... I think he needs one of those...

[bygdawg]

I'd have just had to zip myself up inside my bag, but then I wouldn't have been able to breath. :eek: I tried this one time at Little Sturgis, and it didn't work out so well. The no-seeums almost carted me off. I guess they thought it was free buffet night at the rally. Aside from the bugs, the dew falling directly on me was not very fun either. I woke up with a sore throat, swollen eyes, runny nose, and a feeling that I can only compare to what I imagine a near death experience would be like. Nope, this style of camping, if any, isn't the one for me.

[Raven]

The Hennesey is too big to fit in the Sargent seat storage.

If you plan to go really compact with a hammock you'd need to go with an Eagle's Nest (http://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com/) but would give up the bug and rain protection. The Eagle's Nest (also known as an ENO) stuffs into a sack sewn in the hammock and the stuffed size is a rectangular 8"x6"x3" that can easily be thrown in a tank bag or stuffed under the seat.

The Hennesey stuff size is a bit bulkier and takes up a little less space than a full-face helmet in my GIVI topbox (that includes 25 extra feet of web straps and extra hanging hardware - climbing nuts, biners, etc.).

I don't have my camera available right now but either today or tomorrow I'll try to get pics of my Hennesey set-up so you can get an idea of pack size as well as hanging options.

1 - packed in GIVI
2 - compared to full-face helmet
3 - added extras - rings, webbing, biners, nut
4 - unpacked but still wrapped in snakeskins

[clmixon]

Raven,

Thanks for the real informative photos, that helped a lot. Have you ever tried just laying the snakeskin around the periphery of the Givi instead of in the bag?

How often do you find that you need the extra straps, biners and so on?

As I said, I don't camp but there have been times when it was a desirable option to have and this would open up those options. I usually travel with two helmets on long trips so I have the room either way, just thinking and considering and looking at options.

Thanks,

Chris :06biker:

[bygdawg]

Hold out. I've submitted a new tent design for evaluation with one of the premiere tent makers that would alleviate all problems. It promises to be light, compact, and ultra easy to setup. Now, all I have to do is get approval and the patent filed. I'm not holding my breath, but it is a great idea, even if I do say so myself. :D In retrospect, I should've been an engineer instead of an educator. There's a lot more money to be made in that field, and I love solving problems.

[este1300pilot]

Hold out. I've submitted a new tent design for evaluation with one of the premiere tent makers that would alleviate all problems. It promises to be light, compact, and ultra easy to setup. Now, all I have to do is get approval and the patent filed. I'm not holding my breath, but it is a great idea, even if I do say so myself. :D In retrospect, I should've been an engineer instead of an educator. There's a lot more money to be made in that field, and I love solving problems.

I am looking forward to hearing about your new design. I had pretty much given up on camping, but I have a trip to Edmonton planned in late June and decided to get out the tent, Thermarest and my sleeping bag as a backup if there is not a motel or vacancy at the end of the day.

However, although I was an avid canoe and kayak camper in my youth, the last time I was in a tent was a very rainy night in a park on the north shore of Lake Superior in the spring.

Was wet setting up the tent, had a miserable night (buddy snores......) and then had to take it down and mount up the bike in p*ssing rain. Had to pull into a restaurant an hour or so down the road, hypothermia from cold, wet and lack of sleep was setting in.

Too old and too fat to be comfortable on the ground, some of the ideas I have seen in this thread look like good backup, maybe even somewhat comfortable.

[bygdawg]

Rest assured my idea revolves on comfort. Pardon the pun. :crackup

[TPadden]

I am always looking for a quicker set up / tear down. One of the quickest I've is the Bibler Bivey I used for my last Alaska trip; but I also carried a tent for sites where I was staying longer than just an overnight sleep.

http://www.backcountry.com/store/BLD0245/c3/s28/Bibler-Tents-Tripod-Bivy-Bag.html

I roll the Bivey up with the Thermarest and down sleeping bag already inside; works like a charm!

[Brad Felmey]

Wow, that's a cool setup. Roll the whole shebang up together, and unroll it all together.

[TPadden]

Wow, that's a cool setup. Roll the whole shebang up together, and unroll it all together.

Yep, can be tight --- but for a quick late night set up doesn't get any easier. Also great for those "area limited" picnic table set ups. Again; suitable for overnight or travel only :)!

I've stayed dry in a good rain with no overhead cover; but overhead cover is easy too!

Tom

[bygdawg]

Slick setup. Thanks for sharing.

[este1300pilot]

Thanks Raven! :bow1: Your post started me down the path to a solution for my need of a tent/bivy/whatever that will fit easily on the bike for long trips.

I ordered a Hennessy "Desert Rat" (on sale) and put it up in my yard today, had a great snooze. This thing is amazingly comfortable, quick to set up and take down, extremely light, packs small and eliminates the need for a pad or cot.

I just cannot sleep on the ground anymore and even a Thermarest gets uncomfortable after a while.

This (along with extra high strength cord) will be my backup for the warm nights when motels are full/not along my path and the weather is clear.

Will also use it at the lake, nice hammock and bug protection rolled into one package.

My Dad had an army surplus jungle hammock from WWII when I was a kid, loved sleeping out in it, this is a modern and improved version of a pleasant childhood memory.

[bygdawg]

I am looking forward to hearing about your new design. I had pretty much given up on camping, but I have a trip to Edmonton planned in late June and decided to get out the tent, Thermarest and my sleeping bag as a backup if there is not a motel or vacancy at the end of the day.

However, although I was an avid canoe and kayak camper in my youth, the last time I was in a tent was a very rainy night in a park on the north shore of Lake Superior in the spring.

Was wet setting up the tent, had a miserable night (buddy snores......) and then had to take it down and mount up the bike in p*ssing rain. Had to pull into a restaurant an hour or so down the road, hypothermia from cold, wet and lack of sleep was setting in.

Too old and too fat to be comfortable on the ground, some of the ideas I have seen in this thread look like good backup, maybe even somewhat comfortable.


Glad you found something that you could use. My plan didn't pan out. I submitted my design for a tent cot with the lower section being made up of an inflatable air mattress and the tent covering working basically the same as the standard tent cot. Unfortunately, they didn't feel like it was a good enough idea to put into production, so they passed. I thought it was a pretty good idea myself. The whole idea revolved around a unit that would be both light and compact. It would’ve allowed the rider to be able to roll it up and put it inside it’s own carrying pouch and would offered all of the benefits of the standard tent cot without the restrictions set forth by the metal bars. Anyway, that was the long and short of my idea.

[Raven]

Raven,

Thanks for the real informative photos, that helped a lot. Have you ever tried just laying the snakeskin around the periphery of the Givi instead of in the bag?

How often do you find that you need the extra straps, biners and so on?

As I said, I don't camp but there have been times when it was a desirable option to have and this would open up those options. I usually travel with two helmets on long trips so I have the room either way, just thinking and considering and looking at options.

Thanks,

Chris :06biker:


Oops, sorry I missed this post....

Anyway, yes, the snake-skin wrapped hammock can easily coil around the GIVI so you could carry two helmets. I actually use the extra straps quite a bit b/c I've tied two descender rings on each end of the hammock paracord, I then run the straps around the tree (or post) and pull the ends through the rings just like the "D" rings on one's helmet strap. This makes putting up and taking down sooooooo easy - don't have to tie any fancy knots or anything!

[este1300pilot]

Glad you found something that you could use. My plan didn't pan out. I submitted my design for a tent cot with the lower section being made up of an inflatable air mattress and the tent covering working basically the same as the standard tent cot. Unfortunately, they didn't feel like it was a good enough idea to put into production, so they passed. I thought it was a pretty good idea myself. The whole idea revolved around a unit that would be both light and compact. It would’ve allowed the rider to be able to roll it up and put it inside it’s own carrying pouch and would offered all of the benefits of the standard tent cot without the restrictions set forth by the metal bars. Anyway, that was the long and short of my idea.

That is a very good idea, it would be much lighter and pack smaller than the tent cots. You may want to take a run at a few other companies with it, there is a market, albeit the relatively small niche of motorcyclists.

What about approaching Andy at Aerostich, he may have thoughts on how to get your idea to market?

I also had looked at the Cabelas versions of these a couple of years ago but came to the same conclusion as the everyone in this thread, it just does not pack down anywhere near small enough for use on a bike.

[Biker George]

How about this one?

More my speed for camping... (http://www.selectcomfort.com/air_mattress_beds/sleep_number_9000.cfm)

Or Easier to haul... (http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/html/ComfortHome) (notice the waffle)

FUNNY STUFF, Sink!!!
:clap2: :clap2:

-Geo

[silverbub]

+1 on the hennessy w/snake-skin...great in summer when tent just too hot...they should make the storage sack just a little longer to get all the stuff in sack...snake-skin makes the fabric small diameter & so tight that i am cautious about "bending" the wrapped snake-skin too tight & splitting the fabric...i usually just use stuff bag for custom "slap-straps" i made longer than those supplied with hammock...and just "weave" the hammock around in "free" space in a side bag...one thing i found about the hennessy...it brings out the "i am a thief & i want your stuff!" envy of some low-lifes in some campgrounds...easily avoided, however, if just delaying set-up until when about to use it overnight & taking it down first thing in morning...i almost had a gypsy thief & his "wife" come into my campsite after dark & start taking the hammock down to steal...WITH ME IN IT!:eek: until she heard me make a quiet nervous cough...& she called off their slimey stealing plan...finally, the hennessy hammock adds extra fun to looking for a campsite with just the right tree arrangements...i find that at 6' tall & about six paces is just right for the hammock to hang just right...great to get swayed gently to sleep as bard owl hoots in oak that hammock is strapped to!
the bibler bivey looks like a great solution to minimalist tenting...but too $$$ for me!:03biker: silverbub

[bygdawg]

That is a very good idea, it would be much lighter and pack smaller than the tent cots. You may want to take a run at a few other companies with it, there is a market, albeit the relatively small niche of motorcyclists.

What about approaching Andy at Aerostich, he may have thoughts on how to get your idea to market?

I also had looked at the Cabelas versions of these a couple of years ago but came to the same conclusion as the everyone in this thread, it just does not pack down anywhere near small enough for use on a bike.

I hadna thought of that. Do you think he might be interested in taking a look at the proposal?

[este1300pilot]

They sell specialized goods to a niche market, they also tend to deal with suppliers of very motorcycle centric products.

No guarantees, but if you run it by someone as experienced in this industry as Andy Goldfine, he is a far more reliable source for "it will or will not fly" advice.

I think you have a great idea, but the rub is always going to be getting it manufactured, marketed and sold.

Never hurts to try.

[Mac]

Theres always the head tent from aerostitch:
http://www.aerostich.com/catalog/US/Head-Tent-p-17641.html

http://www.aerostich.com/files/images/detailed/head_tent_1a.jpg

[bygdawg]

How does one go about getting in touch with him?

[este1300pilot]

The mailing address for Aerostich Rider Wearhouse is:

Aerostich / Riderwearhouse Catalog
8 S 18th Ave W
Duluth, MN, 55806

Would suggest a letter to them, attention Andy Goldfine, owner.

Good luck.

[bygdawg]

Thanks for the information.

[sundesj]

I may not have reasearched this fully but found the www.luxurylite.com/cotindex.html the closest to backpacking needs for bike camping. it's pricey about $190.00 but if you can't sleep what good are you the next day for riding. I wonder if we could find enough interest to contact them for a group buy?

[Pointswest]

I may not have reasearched this fully but found the www.luxurylite.com/cotindex.html the closest to backpacking needs for bike camping. it's pricey about $190.00 but if you can't sleep what good are you the next day for riding. I wonder if we could find enough interest to contact them for a group buy?

I've got one of these.
I love it.

[freddie]

I would be interested in a group buy.... let me know or I could contact them and find out how many we need to order to obtain a better price.

Keith

[bygdawg]

Now wouldn't that be nice if it had an integrated tent canopy built in?

[Macedo]

Now wouldn't that be nice if it had an integrated tent canopy built in?

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