Recall # 3 ?? Brake Proportioning Control Valve

[Daryl]

This was on the MSN board - nothing on NHTSA site though???:mad:

January 14, 2005

"American Honda is conducting a SAFETY RECALL on affected models per the VIN ranges listed on attached table. The recall will inspect the Proportioning Control Valve (PCV) on vehicles equipped with linked or anti-lock brakes. In limited circumstances, the existing proportioning valve could develop a leak. Over time, the leak could result in a total loss of fluid from the rear brake system. If the motorcycle continues to be used after a leak occurs the rear brake would eventually become inoperative. In worst case, the loss of rear brake force may cause a crash."

"The instructions and procedures necessary to repair the affected motorcycles will be available the week of January 24th... Parts required to perform these repairs if a leak is found will be available later that same week."

"American Honda will mail a notice of this Recall to owners of all affected motorcycles."

This affects certain VINs of 2002-2004 GL1800/A's, 2002-2003 CBR1100XX, 2002-2004 VFR800/A's, and 2003-2004 ST1300/A's. The affected VIN's for ST are:
2003 ST1300 - JH2SC511*3M100002 ~ 101443
2003 ST1300A- JH2SC514*3M100002 ~ 100798
2004 ST1300 - JH2SC510*4M200001 ~ 201352
2004 ST1300A - JH2SC513*4M200001 ~ 200808

[Kennedy]

Wow, another one. Starting to think GM put these things together.

[John Anthony]

Blew out the valve on my '03 ABS about a year and a half ago. Not one of the more pleasant experiences, but at least I wasn't too far away from the dealership when it happened.

[tccox]

Hmmmm, is the valve easily avaliable for owner inspection ??

[dond]

Hmmmm, is the valve easily avaliable for owner inspection ??
TC..Look at pg 1-35 Above the "front modulator 2P connector" is a boot and the valve is juST above that. Tonight I will get out my mag light and see if it's visible w/o removing plastic.

[dond]

We shall see. I think the modulator on the ABS's will block any view w/o plastic R & R.

[dond]

Looking through the side grills I can see the boot but not the valve. Close but........

[dond]

With the tank up and a mechanics mirror thingy you could possibly see the valve. :shock:

[ST1300CAZ]

Holly Crap ! :mad:

:banghead: (shop wall at dealership) :confused:



....hopefully......... :biker:

[dond]

Holly Crap ! :mad:

:banghead: (shop wall at dealership) :confused:



....hopefully......... :biker:
Holly Crap.. that's a :xmas: sh_t right?

[dond]

When I was about 11 y/o I had a neighbor girl that asked.... :o:


Leo, I don't have a mechanics mirror thingy so I'm not going to raise my tank to look. Besides, I'm juST home for quick lunch before I head out for another "ride the local mountains" leg. I live a few minutes from some very fun roads and use my home for..well..home base!
It's 75F here.

[George Radominski]

I still have the fuel tank removed waiting for the Grounding Connector Cap replacement. Peaking at the proportional valve with a couple of different “mirror thingies” it is impossible to see the bottom of the valve, see attached. The right middle cowl will need to be removed for inspection.
George.

[dond]

Thanks for your poST Goerge.

I got back down on my knees and with flashlight in hand really looked and looked..AHHA! Looking through the grill and/or the hole adjacent to the grills and using a long blunt hemoSTat to push the wire boot up and out of the line of sight, I can see the bottom of the valve!
Mine is dry.
I will show my shop the short cut and see if that will suffice for an inspection and save lots of us lots of heartburn.

I wish I had a camera..sorry.

Saving for one right now.

[tccox]

But if rear brake fluid level never drops , is there any need to actually inspec the valve itself ???

[dond]

But if rear brake fluid level never drops , is there any need to actually inspec the valve itself ???
IMO, if the valve body is even damp it would indicate a pending problem even if the fluid level remains full.
You know Mama will have to see it to CTA on the recall IF it is actually issued. Again IMO.

[ST_Jim]

Gee! If the FJR1300 Owners are willing to chip in to get Warchild a new "non-tickiing" bike, we should be able to get Dond a camera! At least one of the less expensive ones!:a13:

[Mellow]

LOL... Maybe we can all pitch in for a non-leaking bike.. no, wait, those are out there... nevermind....

[dond]

I have decided on a Canon A75. I had to get a new cell phone and am waiting for the rebate from that to help with the cam. purchase. Either way I will try to get it before my next run to OR. in March.

[Mellow]

That's great!... Might be a little work but heck, it's only mailing in rebates. I've always liked the coolpix cameras...

Thanks for posting that, maybe someone will take advantage of it.

[NormanPCN]

<<<I have decided on a Canon A75.>>>

Good choice.

[Putt]

looking very hard at the Canon G7..


Putt...

[ST_Jim]

I have decided on a Canon A75.I have a Canon S400 that I really like. But I would have been very tempted to do an A80 with the flip-out LCD viewfinder, if it had been available then. DPREVIEWS says the street price of the A80 is only $15 or so more than the A75, which I think is worth it for the flip & twist LCD. I believe the A75 just has a fixed LCD. But you can't go wrong with either.

Costco sells some very high capacity NiMH rechargeable AA's which should work just dandy in an A75 as spares. That & you'll probably want a higher capacity compact flash card for holding lots of pictures without having to download during trips.

[el gato]

Hi all:

Just new to this site(thanks to my friend Purm 1300). Thought I would post some recall notices for us Canucks (Purm 1300 and Kennedy et. al.).
There are 2 recalls for '03 ST1300s(called "Campaign #'s by Honda Canada for some strange reason)

Campaign# J 45 is the infamous wire harness chafing
Campaign# J 46 concerns the Ground Conector Cap- which was improperly wired and may cause an "unbalanced load" leading to short circuiting in the wiring affected(clear as mud, I know)

I also enquired about the "Proportioning Control Valve" and coolant leak recalls, but Honda Canada has no internal Campaign notices about them.

While I had the customer service rep on the line I asked if he would check this and the coolant leak out for me and he said he would get back to me by this Friday. If I hear anything I will post further.

El Gato

[Putt]

Just checked with my Honda dealer (Norris motorsport) in
reference to the ground block recall, they have the notice about
that one, waiting for parts.. I made mention about the
brake prop. valve.. He said that they had just heard from
Honda on that one, that the official notification is in the
pipes and they should be "officially" notified shortly..


Putt....

[crazykz]

OK since I've got the ST skinned I took some pics. I'm guessing one of these has the valve that we are talking about. Not sure which one it is though.

[dond]

Yup, it's the shiney clean thing with NO brake fluid on it.
:)

[crazykz]

Ok I removed the left most image so people wouldn't get confused.

Curt

[SAVAGE]

Hi guys new to the site ( I do not know how I have not found it in the year I've owned the bike) Got a question for all of you. I have not had any of my reaclls done due to lack of parts. The dealer told me if I brought my bike in for anything that they will not release it without the recalls being done due to the bike is "unsafe". With that being said I am having a problem with the rear brakes on my 04. The brake pedal will slowly creep down on you while you are using it or at a stoplight with your foot on it and you have to pump up the rear brakes to bring the pedal back up but it will still fall. Could this be related to the recall? I don't want to take it in because I don't want to leave my bike there for 6 months ( I have already been waiting 3 for the parts)
Thanks to all, oh and great site, Jon.

[SAVAGE]

Thet told me they ordered the recall parts (the ground cap) and the other was only an inspection. They just stated that they cannot release the bike until the recall was performed du to liability reasons. Sounded like horse manure to me, I work for a very large GM dealer and we have never kept a car due to insufficient parts (unless it did not run or was not driveable) I may have to go and find another dealer, just going to be a pain in the neck. Thanks.

[gene]

I also had bike kept until ground cap was done. this was done at time of sale before they got my money only a small deposit . When I went to pick up bike with a cashiers check for balance they said sorry but they couldn't sell it until recall was done .Ihad to wait 3 extra days but it was better than problem and new bik breaking down on road.

[steve18]

Savage,
I know Thousand Oaks is a good hour or so away, but I took my bike here:
http://www.hrcusa.com/contact.aspx

They had it done in a day or so. I did this about 5 months ago. It may be worth it to get a ride back from here if they can get your bike fixed within a few days.

Give their service a call. Eric is the guy I deal with. Good service dept there.

Steve

[SAVAGE]

I just called my selling dealer (L.A. Honda) and spoke with the service manager. He said they have my parts in. The only problem is they are
1 1/2- 2 hours away. He told me my local dealer could have the parts in a minum of a week if they wanted them that bad. I kinda figured this was the case with my local dealer when the first words out of his mouth were did I buy it there. My selling dealer is going to call the area rep and see what they can do. I would rather drop it off down there, but I do not have a ride back.
L.A. honda said it was the norm to keep the bike until the recalls were done. He also said to get it in for the rear brake concern, I could very well be related to the recall.

[MidLife]

The brake pedal will slowly creep down on you while you are using it or at a stoplight with your foot on it and you have to pump up the rear brakes to bring the pedal back up but it will still fall. Could this be related to the recall?

Bought a 2003 two days ago with a creep problem on the rear brake.
It is not repeatable though. Happened only twice so far. Pumped the pedal back up and it held up.
Checked with previous owner and recall was done. Confirmed also with Honda CS.

Wondering if your had yours looked at yet and if the problem was fixed? How?

Thanks

[MidLife]

getting the dealer to re-check the PCV may be the hard part.
You can bet the first question will be how long, if ever, since the fluid was changed.

Paul

Fully agree and Leo has also suggested the fluid change (am sure never done since 03) before anything else.

Will do but have to get the manual first (found yr recommendations and link on that Paul, thx).

Am glad the transferable extended warranty goes until 07!

[ksnwark]

I am new here and also a ex-Honda Service manager. I agree with Paul, most places that don't get the time needed to cover the techs simply don't ask for the time first. They send their techs in head first then try to recover the cost. Techs get leary, then the manager get leary, and soon the customer gets no service. Honda will cover dang near anything that is a problem if it's done correctly.

I have been to the Honda corperate office in Cal. and they might not be perfect but I have never seen another company try any harder then Honda does. I feel the bleed off test is the best option they have.

Great site you guys have here.
Keith

[ErnieCopp]

To Paul:

Paul:

Let me apologize in advance for taking advantage of the fact that you were a Honda Service Manager.

I have an 04 with about 5000 miles on it. Since I bought it with only 1200 miles on it, I have has problems with shifting. I sometimes get a false neutral when upshifting and have several times had it go into 5th gear and then pop out. Last time it popped out the engine raced and then it popped into 4th gear.

Now I know that if I very carefully and forcefully upshift, this does not happen. But I have had other bikes including a '97 Honda Magna and never had this kind of bad shifting behavior.

My local dealer rode the bike and said it was fine. He said that he could take the trans apart, but if he did not find a warranty problem I would be responsible for all expenses.

On this forum I have read of others with similar problems. Seems that Honda would know something.

What are your thoughts about this and how it should be handled?