PA Grand Canyon STOC

[SteveST1300]

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PA Grand Canyon STOC
July 18-20, 2008

Wellsboro, PA
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I have held the rooms from the 17th thru the 19th checking out on the 20th. feel free to book whatever dates you can attend.



OK guys I held NJ STOC this year and it went very well but the roads are a bit limited. I was thinking of having the event based around th PA Grand Canyon. Is there anyone out in that area that would be interested in helping me get this organized. If we get enough interest I would be needing help with a few reccomended routes. As time gets closer I would try nad get out that way myself to do some scouting . We would need a MOtel maybe near a restaurant.



OK I e-mailed the Canyon Motel which is in Wellsboro it sounds like an ideal location. I will have to get out there and check it out when I can. I will update this post as needed.



I got a letter from Scoota ( George )yesterday and he listed many great places to eat and some great routes. I will work on converting these to mapsource and streets and trips and then post them. here. Thanks for the help George its time to get this thread kicked up again!


UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE



OK here we go I have blocked of 23 rooms at the Canyon Motel if you call to reserve it is under the group name ST-Owners:

There are
0 rooms with 1 queen bed non-smoking $75.00
0 rooms with 2 double beds non-smoking $80.00
0 suites with king size bed and 2 person jacuzzi non-smoking $100.00
0 suites with 2 queen beds non-smoking $95.00
1 suite with 3 double beds non-smoking $105.00
0 suite with 2 bedrroms 1RM with 1 double and 1RM with a double and a single non-smoking $105.00
0 room with 1 queen smoking $75.00
3 rooms 2 double beds smoking $80.00


I have reserved my room King suite with jacuzzi

Phone numbers are
commercial 570-724-1681
or
1-800-255-2718


The rooms will be held for us until may 22nd. Please e-mail or PM me when you have reserved so I can keep track of what we have left.
Thanks

www.canyonmotel.com/features.html (http://www.canyonmotel.com/features.html)

ROOMS RESERVED SO FAR
SteveST1300 King suite reserved
DEL Queen Non-smoking
NewbornST1300 Queen Non-smoking
Pretbek Double Bed non smoking
BlueSTormer King suite with Jacuzzi Non-smoking
STBNE Queen Bed N0n-Smoking
Scootac Queen Non-Smoking
TZMNDVL King suite
Nyener Queen Non-Smoking
Forgitaboutut 2 queen beds non-smoking
BillXP 1 Queen Smoking
Steve3b3 1 suite 2 double beds non-smoking
Kawcatcher 2 doubles non-smoking
Jdsd-Tourteam Cottage
Kessie 1 room Friday night only
Jimswheelywing Non smoking
Tony Day 2 doubles smoking
Pigeon 2 Qeens Non smoking willing to switch to a room wit one bed if anyone is interested

[gene]

Sounds great Steve and if I can be a help let me know as we go up that way to see ouir daughter being a scout for you would be fun !! You need to contact Scootac (George + LuAnn) they live up that way.

[Trekker]

Good idea.... any thoughts on a date?

[bunson]

I've ridden with the Christian Sportbike Assoc. They have two rallies per yr based out of Wellsboro. The Coach Stop Inn is 12mi west of Wellsboro on RT 6. A decent Mom & Pop place with plenty of parking. There is some excellant riding in the area. I could help with some routes.

[stickman]

Ditto what Bunson said. I used to ride with a local club, we did the Grand Canyon thing every fall. We stayed in Wellsboro at the Coach Stop Inn. They have a decent restaurant on the premises. We hit a hotel in town one day for a buffet breakfast that was awesome.

As for a route there from Jersey, route 6 across the top of PA the whole way out of Scranton is great. Very scenic two lane road that goes thru some really nice little towns.

The fall is a nice time to go, but the hotels book up early during peak foliage time, and they make you stay for two nights. And it does get chilly up there in the fall, I remember waking up to 30 degree weather with frost on my bike.

Personally though, I love September rides. And in this area it's the time of year with the least amount of rain.

[SteveST1300]

Well NJSTOC was in Juy so I would like to keep it in the same time frame it doesn't interfear with other events that way. And it gives us guys that are here on the coast an excuse to get inland a bit. I know that some of the New England crowd would like to join us we have talked about the area some, so I thought why not give it a try. I used to live out in Bradford so I know the area a little bit but help with suggested routes would be great.:03biker: :03biker: Gene that would be a big help as its a pretty long ride for me to get out there. But I will do a couple of rides out there myself to set up motels etc.

[gene]

Let me know when I like cold weather riding in the fall and early winter!

[GRN]

I'll bite on this one... get me some dates before Jan and I can work my RiderCoach schedule around it. I want to do two next year that are new, or new to me... this and CanuckleheadSTOC could be the ticket. :D

[GRN]

There have been some good threads on st.n/region 6 on that area lately, probably some good jumping off info for youz scouts...

[scootac]

I can help you with some routes out this way. Lots of nice roads, not a whole lot of choice as far as acommodations and restaurants, but enough to get by.
Any idea how many folks there might be at one of these? I've only been to 2 RTE's, my 3rd one tomorrow!:)

Scootac:04biker:

[SteveST1300]

Well at NJSTOC we had about 30 people and 22 bikes. I would expect similar numbers maybe a few more. If you can put some routes together that would be great.
I would like to provide several routes of different lengths maybe 2 short rides 150-180 miles maybe 3 or 4 180-250 and maybe something a bit longer for the distance guys. Scenery is good and places to eat along the way are good. I know its a lot to ask. I will also work on some routes and maybe I can send them to you for a local perspective. I have been in the area before but I amsure I don't know all the hidden treasures you have out there.
If Gene is going to come up and scout routes I am sure I can make it as well.

Thanks

[gene]

Work up a few ideas and I will try to get up before it gets to cold this fall and we can check some out this spring. Lisa and I have been wanting to get up and see LuAnn and George for a ride

[BackroadBandit]

I would definately be in for this gathering as well. George, this is right up your alley! You have given me some good routes through that country. Maybe a mini-stoc is needed to test out some routes when the trees do their thing later this fall???

[gene]

yea mini stoc in a few weeks just a day trip !!

[RaYzerman]

If I could also suggest, a day ride up and back to the Grand Canyon of the East, although you would have to budget a couple of hours to get through from one end to the other.... or start out early, depends where "home base" is.... it is Letchworth State Park, NY. I went through both on a PA trip in June, and lots to see, many camera stops. I would also say, there isn't a bad biking road in PA.

[STBNE]

Steve: I dont know this area but I would definitely want to be a part of any gathering that is going thru there.Also would be up to a mini-stoc daytrip to check it out.Cant go wrong with the foliage thing:D

[RaYzerman]

If you're doing a mini-stoc, pick a date and I'll see if I can make it.

[BackroadBandit]

Mini stoc would be fun the weekend of the 29th of sept. Two weeks the leaves should be putting on a nice show! Im open for other ideas as well. Can you tell i just want a reason to ride with friends in PA!

[Carl_T]

Ahhhh, just caught this thread. I sure will want to come to this one. STeve, I may be able to help with some road scouting come spring if any is still needed. :04biker: :07biker: :mcrider:

[SteveST1300]

Carl come on its not always needed but since when has that stopped us!:03biker: HOW DOES JULY 18-20 sound and if anyone wants to we could add the 17th.

[GRN]

It sounds really hot and humid to me... :D How about May? We have really good luck with rides in May :rolleyes:

[stickman]

My thoughts exactly, July = hot and wet.

September is the month with the least amount of precipitation in the northeast, and the mildest temps.

Labor day weekend could be good or bad. Extra day off, but lots of people need to spend it with the entire family.

[GRN]

My thoughts exactly, July = hot and wet.

September is the month with the least amount of precipitation in the northeast, and the mildest temps.

Labor day weekend could be good or bad. Extra day off, but lots of people need to spend it with the entire family.

Big fan of Sept. myself, but it's also the month with the most pre-existing northeast events... CTSTOC, NNESTOC, and FALLSTOC...

[gene]

And Joe just added CampSTOC-east for mid May in Va so I also vote for sometime in Sept.

[gene]

I just realized Fall STOC is also in Sept. Is Fall stoc a well attended event for the 1300 guys as it doesn't seem to get much attention around here?, but the location does have some great riding

[GRN]

There are a lot of NE regulars that won't be able to do 3 in one month... and who are likely to not be all that willing to miss the two New England rides. I Am thinking about FallSTOC next year... great smaller group of seasoned riders, great location... that my win my second Sept. ride next year over CTSTOC.

[AgSTreak]

I thought I replied to this thread. Darn these aging brain cells. Steve, add my name to those who will help scout roads. July is a slow month for events, good choice. Just make sure the hotel has a/c cause the a/c on the ST doesn't work in july.:)

[93NJST]

Count me in. I'll try to see if Elizabeth will go as well.

Cheers,
Adam

[Carl_T]

Sept. is out for me with the New England STOCs in play, and I think most other more "Eastern" North Easters as well. May means rain, rain, rain, at least so far it has. It's a better time for pre-rides in this part of the country than a North East STOC event, as we've found out a few years in a row. That leaves June, July, August, Oct.

August has I think ONSTOC for some, but I think it's the only one in August in the area. October probably has a ton of leaf peepers clogging up the roads.

June can be anything from cold to hot, wet to dry. July is hot as is August. I don't know about PA but out our way the rain in July is normally more on the order of thundershowers often more limited in scope.

I don't stop riding even in the blazing heat myself, though my wife isn't real fond of it, she still would likely come. I dunno, STeve has traditionally scheduled the STOC he hosted in July to have a STOC in there when nothing else was going on. I'm good with STeves dates myself, as he's the man starting this up.

However, I'll keep an eye on this and see what's decided.

[gene]

Hey George whats the weather up there like in mid july ?? looks like the best time with all the other events going on !! We sure are a busy group :)

[STBNE]

My feeling is that the first week in Oct. would be suitable as the leaves would most likely be in Autuum mode and not all over the roads yet.Also the first week of Oct. would be like the weather in Sept....dry,fairly warm during the days and cool nights.Indian Summer season.:cool:

[GRN]

I lived in South central PA along the river for 8 years... July is Tropical (literally). October wouldn't be bad... short days, and a lot of deer, even by Southern NY standards. What about June... 2-3 weeks after NESTOC?

[scootac]

Hey George whats the weather up there like in mid july ?? looks like the best time with all the other events going on !! We sure are a busy group :)

July can be hot, humid, hazy, or not! The temperatures would certainly be warm enough, more than likely TOO warm. Certainly time for the mesh jackets. Somebody said the rain in July more likely to be thunderstorms, rather than 2-3-4 day continuous rains, probably right on that note. May, June, September more likely to be the miserable prolonged rains, which would also mean temps in the 50's & 60's. Maybe late June, rain slowing down, not too hot yet??? August, pretty much like July.
Tough call I guess, maybe we all need to move south and ride 12 months! Nah!!!
George

[93NJST]

Only problem with June is Laconia. What about mid or early May?

[GRN]

Laconia? Maybe I'm biased because I live here... but who wants to come to Laconia? :D

[AgSTreak]

Laconia is just an excuse to get drunk, make loud exhaust noises, complain about all things not-Harley and watch women flash their tops.... Uhhh, when is Laconia scheduled next year.:rolleyes:

[GRN]

and watch women flash their tops.... Uhhh, when is Laconia scheduled next year.:rolleyes:

Which is great at Daytona... worthy tops indeed... in Laconia, 4 out of 5 tops revealed end up to close to the bottom!
:eek:

[93NJST]

There is otherthings in the area. I like to go up there and hit Mt Washington, the Kengamengas (hope I spelled it right) and stop off at Whitehorse Press. I don't actually stay in Laconia, more like an hour out at the NHNG station. Its a great excuse to get out and enjoy some back roads.
Laconia next year is: June 14-22nd, 2008

Whats wrong with getting out and having some fun?
Cheers,
Adam

[GRN]

Nothing wrong with fun man, I just enjoy the area more when it's not overtaken with all things 'bike week'... which includes a lot more tourist traffic, and A LOT more LEO's. Best way/time to enjoy this area for riding IMO would be to come up for NNESTOC right after Labor Day, but what do I know? :rolleyes:

[scootac]

Seems like everyone has their own little schedule/agenda. You're not going to pick a date that pleases everyone. Just pick a date and do it. Those that want to do it, will. Others will have to make a choice.
Just my opinion!
George

[STBNE]

Seems like everyone has their own little schedule/agenda. You're not going to pick a date that pleases everyone. Just pick a date and do it. Those that want to do it, will. Others will have to make a choice.
Just my opinion!
George
Personally I was just making a suggestion but in all respect to Steve I'd be just as happy to go in July....its not neceesarily when we go,but the fact that we go and enjoy each others company and the scenery too.
:cool:

[GRN]

Seems like everyone has their own little schedule/agenda. You're not going to pick a date that pleases everyone. Just pick a date and do it. Those that want to do it, will. Others will have to make a choice.
Just my opinion!
George

I agree... otherwise we'll be up to 200 posts and still doing donuts ;)

[gene]

Yea Steve just pick a date and tell us when and where:) If you give us any say who knows when it will be decided.

[93NJST]

I agree, just pick a date and see who shows. I'll do my best to be there.

Cheers,
Adam

[kksine]

I rode rt 6 this summer which took me through Wellsboro that is 10 miles from the PA Grand Canyon. I stayed at the Canyon Motel in downtown Wellsboro the home of the oldest diner in PA. The motel was very motorcycle friendly, they even gave us rags to clean our bikes with.

[SteveST1300]

Thanks for the info Kevin I will contact them. The dates are set we may add the 17th but for now I will leave it as is.

[STBNE]

Thanks for the info Kevin I will contact them. The dates are set we may add the 17th but for now I will leave it as is.
STeve what are the dates??? July 17th -20th?

[Carl_T]

7/18-7 /20 Sign up off of the link in the first post of this thread.:)

[Carl_T]

Oh my GOD peeps!!!!! I just took a look at the area in MapSource....
I wanna go live there! :D Are the roads anywhere near as twisty as the look on the map?????:04biker:

Or are the darn things all dirt or chopped up pavement?

[GRN]

Oh my GOD peeps!!!!! I just took a look at the area in MapSource....
I wanna go live there! :D Are the roads anywhere near as twisty as the look on the map?????:04biker:

Or are the darn things all dirt or chopped up pavement?

Carl,

PA, WV, KY, and a corner of OH are the only reason I lived down there as long as I did... some surfaces are less than ideal, but you won't find any flat spots on the local bike tires :D

[2dollarbill]

Carl-T,
I have been across Rt 6 many times over the years in my cage and have looked for property in the Wellsboro area. Some of the roads off of Rt 6 are old DIRT lumber roads that lead to forest hunting camps. They are hard packed and usually graded nicely. But they get real slimey when they are wet.
There are just as many twisty PAVED roads in the area. Pre-scouting the route(s) will definitely be needed to avoid the dirt roads.
$2 Bill

[Carl_T]

I'm looking forward to this one Bill. Oh, and thanks for the button, very cool! STeve brought it to CTSTOC for me. Actually he brought it to NNESTOC too, but I forgot to pick it up on the way home. You did a real nice job on it. :)

[2dollarbill]

Carl.
I am glad you liked the button and you are welcome. Thanks for your contribution to the NJSTOC. If Steve wants similiar button souveniers for the PA Grand Canyon STOC, I will be happy to donate them.
Steve,
Let me know sometime down the line if you think doing the button thing again is a worthwhile venture.

$2 Bill

[SteveST1300]

There are plenty of dirt roads but there are some really fine paved ones as well. Put it on your calendar!:03biker:

[2dollarbill]

Steve,
This Rip & Ride is in the October issue of Backroads Motorcycle Travel and Adventure Magazine. The October issue is not yet on thier website (www.backroadsusa.com). I have been over a majority of these roads and they are twisty and scenic roads. The route shown could be looped back into Wellsboro along US 6 West or other side roads if Wellsboro was the starting point. Just a thought for a possible PA Grand Canyon STOC day route.

THE PALLATTE OF PENNSYLVANIA
US 6 West through Scranton, PA
Left at RTE. 87 approx. 30 miles west of Scranton
Left at RTE. 220
Right at RTE. 154
Left on RTE. 87
Right at SR 973 - Loyalsockville
Right at RTE. 44
Left through Hyner State Park - SR 1014
Bear left to Summit - OUTSTANDING
Back down and left - SR 1014
Right at RTE. 120
Right at RTE. 144
Right at US 6 East
Right at RTE. 287 - Wellsboro.

[blueSTormer]

Hi Bill. I checked out your route on Mapsource, but I had a problem getting it to match up. Is it necessary to get back on Rte 87 after the right on 154, and then make the right on 973?

[2dollarbill]

Bob,
You are absolutely correct. I missed that left turn on to RTE. 87 when I transcribed the route. I did edit and update the original post on the route. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for finding the error.
RTE 154 that winds through Worlds End State Park is really beautiful scenery. The stream you follow will make you think you are in Colorado. When you pass the Forksville Fairgrounds, befroe you turn on RTE 87, there is one of the rare wooden bridges on your left.
$2 Bill

[scootac]

And at the other end of the covered bridge is the Forksville General store. An old store that has a GREAT little restaurant inside. Guy from Philly area bought it awile ago and has "Great Food, Great Sax". :)
Read about it here, www.forksvillestore.com and stop to eat if in the area!
You won't regret it!
George

[scootac]

And as a follow-up, here's actual 4-hour-old pictures of said area!
The area is near Forksville and Eagles Mere, which is maybe an hour or so east of Wellsboro. It will look a little different in July, but even in all green, it's a beautiful area. There were between 10 and 15 bikes at the Forksville General Store, word is getting out! Don't wait till it's too late!!!
Temps in the mid to high 80's today, mesh jacket the whole time and still too warm! Is this really October???
George

[GRN]

Here's an st.n thread that gives up some pretty sweet stuff in PA...
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,8170.0.html

[SteveST1300]

Wow I had almost forgotten about Worlds End State park I used to go fishing out there. Its a great area. Isn't LaPort near there?:03biker:

[STBNE]

Steve,this is shaping up to be quite an interesting STOC event.I will problably forgo any western states tours next yr.I think there are enough events here to keep me busy.Also I am considering OnSTOC in Calabogie,Ontario!But back to PASTOC...the more I read the more fascinated with this area I am.I think this will be an excellent adventure!Looking forward to it.

[Bones]

Looks like fun to me. I rode that neck of the woods with a Harley buddy about 15 years ago. Had a blast. I'm remembering 144 (might be off by a digit) which went roughly north/south in nothing like a straight line. I'm wondering about schedule conflicts but it's early yet.

[SteveST1300]

I am thinking 44 but I am not sure. John Maureen and I drove it in my Suby during a hurricane.

[leveredge]

I was down that way about a month ago. Both Pa. 144 and Pa. 44 are nice roads. 144 is nice pavement. Quehanna Highway through Moshannon Forest was fun also. Very faST if that is what you're into. Further west 666 through Alegany Forest the pavement was beat but still a fun ride. Going home I took Pa. 87 (I think). That was fun also. Not super twisty but fun. Found a covered bridge someplace in there. That area of Pa. very pretty. I just might come on down.

[Mcreviver]

I live 10 miles SW of Williamsport, PA and guided three tours over the last two years in the surrounding area. I know all the roads and you can ride all day and hardly ever see a LEO. Two places I might recommend, if you haven't been to yet, are the Glenn Curtiss Museum near Hammondsport, NY and the Honda Museum at Bob Logue Motorsports, Williamsport. If it's hot you can take a dip or a canoe ride on Pine Creek at my parents cottage, five miles up RT 44 from 220. How about a night at a cabin in the forest? Little Pine Dam State Park, near Waterville has a campground and nearby is a place that rents cabins. Eagles nest there every year now and I got photos of both adults roosting in the same tree. The roads listed above are some great ones and 973 was just paved the day we took it. Nothing like smooth and clean blacktop for peg scraping. But, you never know what's around the next bend. Could be an animal or the tar and chip cheapo road repair. There is no telling what the weather will be, so it's just a crap shoot but I would be prepared for 85 to 90 degrees with a chance of thundershowers. This past August our group was at the Honda museum when we heard thunder. We headed to a nearby restaurant and watched hail beat our bikes for 10 minutes. It was not large enough to damage paint or dent metal, but farther east it got to be golf ball size. I'm sure glad we weren't caught in that. The weather has been unbelievable lately but I sure hope we get rain soon. That photo of Loyalsock Creek and the covered bridge shows how little is left. When I was about 5 years old, I rode along with my Dad in a delivery truck up through World's End. It was a hot summer day so for five cents I got my first Richardson Root Beer, in a frosted mug, at the store beside the bridge. That was 1953 and that store was there quite a while before that. Hasn't changed much either.

[93NJST]

Steve,
I would like to attend but not sure if I could get the time off. The base club is going to spend a few days out there camping in late June. Between that and Laconia, I may be pushing it with the boss. But I will check into it.
Contact Dave , he is setting up the club with a camp ground that has cabins.

Cheers,
Adam

[Donna in PA]

I am new to the board and would love to ride with other ST Owners. I live about 15 miles east of Williamsport and have ridden the canyon many times. The whole area is a great ride and there are many great roads in and out of the area. I will be signing up for this ride just to meet you guys. Looking forward to meeting everyone.

[forgitaboutut]

A definate maybe on my radar!
I haven't rode PA in about 5 years...looking forward to it!

[Flyboy909]

Hey Steve... Nancy and I would be on board for this one too. I like the July dates... would work good for us. Looking forward to it, sounds like a great location.

Kerry

[ST-DocLizard1]

Sounds good. Hopefully I will be able to join you for more than just coffee at the
local diner this time.

Doc

[badmojo]

I spent my vacation riding this area during the first week of Oct. this year. My photos are here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/ivan.keefer/IvanS2007Vacation

I stayed at the Canyon Motel (www.canyonmotel.com) in Wellsboro. They're motorcycle friendly and offer free high speed internet, a huge indoor swimming pool, sauna, hot tub, and fitness room. Very much enjoyed my stay there. It's within easy walking distance to Main St.. These are the routes I followed:

25325

[SteveST1300]

Thanks Ivan great info and great pictures. Maybe you can join us.

[scootac]

STeve-
I think you asked about some routes for this event sometime ago. I don't have GPS or any of that modern stuff, so thought sometime I'd just mark an AAA map that I get for free with a bunch of the roads I like/ride and send them to you (or whoever) snail mail so they can be put into routing software. How's that sound? Won't be anytime soon though. Thanksgiving, deer season, then Christmas......... so will be awhile.
That's my plan at least.

George

[SteveST1300]

I will keep the first post of this thread updated> The Canyon motel sounds like a great place. They responded to my e-mail right away. Its in town so its close to places to eat.

[juddspaintballs]

Whats the word on this?

[CarSalesman]

Well, if you'all are coming to my house, you may as well ask me to design the route. I live between the PA Grand Canyon, and Forksville. Lots of great roads in that area, and a few good places to eat. Let me know if you want me to set something up. I assum you're going to need a hotel?

[Fster]

I can possibly help with some info in that area, been there many times. Great roads and some nice places to stay. One of my favorite is just west of the west entrance to the Grand Canyon around Denton Hill on Rt 6 called the Potato City Inn, they have some large A frames for multiple people. The last one we stayed in slept 10 for 150.00 a night but you should book early because the area is a favorite with the ATV crowd.

[Mcreviver]

In thread #68, Donna Ball of "15 miles East of Williamsport" mentioned she wanted to ride with us next summer. Unfortunately, she is no longer with us. Her husband Grant, informed me that she died of an anuerysm on Thanksgiving weekend, while visiting relatives in New York State. She got into motorcycling at an early age when her father first took her for a ride and also was a hot air balloon enthusiast. I suggest we dedicate the planned event as the "Donna Ball Memorial/Grand Canyon Ride.

[Mellow]

In thread #68, Donna Ball of "15 miles East of Williamsport" mentioned she wanted to ride with us next summer. Unfortunately, she is no longer with us. Her husband Grant, informed me that she died of an anuerysm on Thanksgiving weekend, while visiting relatives in New York State. She got into motorcycling at an early age when her father first took her for a ride and also was a hot air balloon enthusiast. I suggest we dedicate the planned event as the "Donna Ball Memorial/Grand Canyon Ride.

Very sorry to hear about Donna's passing. Never good stuff to hear about.

[STeve1300]

... I suggest we dedicate the planned event as the "Donna Ball Memorial/Grand Canyon Ride.

+1... and thank you for posting on one of the most difficult to understand turns in life....

[juddspaintballs]

I can possibly help with some info in that area, been there many times. Great roads and some nice places to stay. One of my favorite is just west of the west entrance to the Grand Canyon around Denton Hill on Rt 6 called the Potato City Inn, they have some large A frames for multiple people. The last one we stayed in slept 10 for 150.00 a night but you should book early because the area is a favorite with the ATV crowd.

No way, this is close to Denton Hill? Up until the last couple years, I've been going to the Eastern Traditional Archery Rendezvous with my father every summer and camping on the ski resort property. I'm familiar with the roads in that area and I've even seen the Potato City Inn a few times. Such a beautiful area, and great roads. That'll be a fun ride (even more fun for me riding all the way up there).

[Fster]

Jed I'm a fellow archer but a compound shooter. That really is a great area for riding. If your coming up for the ride you should be passing somewhere close to my home, let me know if you want to hook up on the way up and we can ride up together.

[Donna in PA]

Hello Everyone,

This is Donna's husband. I've been going through some rough times as you can Imagine. Would someone please keep me posted on the Grand Canyon ride. I would very much like to attend.

Grant
gradona@hotmail.com

[acedantinne]

:04biker: Rode area many times. I80, to route 880 to 44 North.
Camp Stone Creek campgrounds. Really nice clean place. Just outside Wellsboro.

[CARPDM]

Road Runner magazine just did a nice report on riding in the area.

[Mcreviver]

I can see Route 44 from my front yard. I'm 14 miles north of Route 15. Grant, we'll look forward to seeing you in July. Will you be riding the ST or your cruiser?
Ron C.

[STBNE]

I am definitely going to PA/GrandCanyonSTOC...I may even take a weekend shakedown run in the Spring.If anybody who is coming from South of me wants to hook up for the ride up to Wellsboro for the July event let me know...would love to hook up with anyone....but if not then for sure we'll be seein ya there.:D ;)

[Mcreviver]

Let me know when you're ready for the shakedown cruise. I want to show you some things a little farther south that I think the rest of the riders would like.

[Donna in PA]

I can see Route 44 from my front yard. I'm 14 miles north of Route 15. Grant, we'll look forward to seeing you in July. Will you be riding the ST or your cruiser?
Ron C.

I will be on my Cruiser. Donna's ST will probably go up for sale in the Spring.

[acedantinne]

Ride in this area. Leed local bicycle group Spring and Fall through Canyon.
We Camp. Stone Creek Campgrounds. Just out of town. East end of Canyon.
I would like to help? It is a 1 day nice ride for me. On motorcycle that is.
Quick trip out. I80 to 880 Ravensburg exit, to 44 North.Were 414 & 44 split take 414 along Pine Creek Gorge, Slate run,Blackwell,Hoytville, Right to Morris to 287 to Wellsboro. 414 very narrow in spots but very sceneic.

[SteveST1300]

OK I updated the 1st post a bit. Geoge has sent me many greayt roads to ride. It will take me a while to convert them to mapquest and streets and trips but I will begin working on it right away.

[billxp]

OK I updated the 1st post a bit. George has sent me many great roads to ride. It will take me a while to convert them to mapquest and streets and trips but I will begin working on it right away.
Well are you done yet. :p:

Gonna be warm soon.

[SteveST1300]

No not yet I am working on a route for Keith from the UK. Then I will post this we have a bit of time yet!

[STindy05]

I was going to try and make this event, but I am taking July 7-11 off of work and I will be buried for a couple weeks after that catching up. Guess I will have to do it next year.:o:

[SteveST1300]

Ok I started converting the map to Mapquest routes. I will of course have to scout these so they may change but I will post these and if there are any comments about the length or other suggestions we can modify them.

[2dollarbill]

Steve,
Thank you for the nice job transfering the routes. Looking at the Kinzu route, I had to smile to myself. At last years NJSTOC we had more than a few riders comment on how many deer they were seeing. Well, wait 'till they see the deer around St Mary's and the Medix Run Hotel. The deer in that area of PA are at least 4 times bigger than they are here in NJ. That is because they are Rocky Mountain Elk! And they do wonder across the roads.
But they are a beautiful sight to see.

[jsamuelc]

There will be many scenic roads to enjoy out there. Rte 6 west of Wellsboro travels through some of the most desolate areas in Pa. 287 and 414 are great too. I attended college at the nearby Mansfield University. Unfortunately due to limited funds my views of these roads was always canoramic. Are there any ideas of when a date would be set. I'll be returning from a tour out to Idaho in July and would like to swing through if the times match.

Opps, I may have just invited myself to a private event. I am new here so pardon my lack of knowledge- Do the stoc events require a membership to a particular regional group?

[billxp]

There will be many scenic roads to enjoy out there. Rte 6 west of Wellsboro travels through some of the most desolate areas in Pa. 287 and 414 are great too. I attended college at the nearby Mansfield University. Unfortunately due to limited funds my views of these roads was always canoramic. Are there any ideas of when a date would be set. I'll be returning from a tour out to Idaho in July and would like to swing through if the times match.

Opps, I may have just invited myself to a private event. I am new here so pardon my lack of knowledge- Do the stoc events require a membership to a particular regional group?The dates are 7/18 -7/20 unless something has changed.

You just have to click the link at the top post to attend. No membership required.

But first timers do need to buy the beer after the riding is done. ;)

[jsamuelc]

thanks for the info.

i think paying a membership might be cheaper; beer is easier to drink in that area as best i remember from my university days!

[Bones]

thanks for the info.

i think paying a membership might be cheaper; beer is easier to drink in that area as best i remember from my university days!

You remember your university days? :rolleyes:

Good bunch of folks at STOC events, make yourself at home.

[nyener]

I'm thinking about attending, but I have alot of questions.
Have rooms been reserved in the Canyon Motel for this event? What is the phone number for the Canyon Motel? Do I get a special rate if I mention this event when reserving a room? How many attendees are camping? Where? Is it necessary to reserve a campsite?

[billxp]

I'm pretty sure nothing has been reserved as of yet. Its only Jan and I'm guessing no one has been up there to scout this out yet. But things will come together real quick once it starts to warm up.

http://www.canyonmotel.com

[billxp]

I just called the hotel 1-800-255-2718.

They have 21 of 31 rooms available for that weekend.

[billxp]

Google list of campgrounds (http://maps.google.com/maps?near=18+East+Ave,+Wellsboro,+PA+16901&geocode=&q=campgrounds&f=l&sll=41.750504,-77.29723&sspn=0.033938,0.058365&ie=UTF8&z=10&om=0) around the motel

[SteveST1300]

Great timing Bill I had just fired of an e-mail to the motel asking them to block off the rooms for us. As soon as I hear back from them I will post the info, and we can start booking rooms. I will keep a list of people booked as up to date as possible in the first post of this thread. If you book a room please post here and I will update the thread.

Thanks

P.S. Scouting trips coming soon!!!

[billxp]

Soon how soon.

Its frozen solid in that area. :)

Do they have studded tires for the ST?????????

[scootac]

Somebody asked about camping in the area.
I camped at Hills Creek State Park a few years ago and thought it was fairly nice. There is a lake with sites around it and a lot of shaded sites up away from the lake also. Shower facilities were fairly decent. The only thing with PA state parks is they don't allow alcohol.;)
It's about 6-8 miles away from Wellsboro, so not really too far to travel from eating in town. Probably more info on their website for rates, site locations etc.

George

[nyener]

Thanks to all for the responses to my questions. I'd noticed alot of action on this thread and didn't want to get left out camping by myself because all the rooms had already been spoken for. I do like to camp. Just not by myself when all the activity is at the motel.

[STBNE]

I just called the hotel 1-800-255-2718.

They have 21 of 31 rooms available for that weekend.
Hi Bill!
So what are their rates per night?Do you know how many ppl can sleep in a std.room?I emailed them and am waiting to hear back.Wellsboro is a beautiful town as is the PA-Grand Canyon area.I fear 3 days would not do true justice to this area..but hey were gonna try....You fix that headlamp yet?..LOL
Thanks for your advice on routes back to Nj from CT-STOC:D :biker:

[STBNE]

Great timing Bill I had just fired of an e-mail to the motel asking them to block off the rooms for us. As soon as I hear back from them I will post the info, and we can start booking rooms. I will keep a list of people booked as up to date as possible in the first post of this thread. If you book a room please post here and I will update the thread.

Thanks

P.S. Scouting trips coming soon!!!
Hi Steve...I too just emailed them requesting info....boy I am really itching to see this area....I may do a pre STOC ride up there on Memorial Day weekend..May 24th-26th...I gonna test out my new Zumo 450;)If anyone would like to join me...you'd be more than welcome to!

[SteveST1300]

The first post is updated with Motel info. I have reserved my room. Its up to you all now!!!

[Del]

Thanks Steve, good work, got mine too!

[SteveST1300]

Mike let me know what you reseved so I can keep the list updated

[Del]

Mike let me know what you reseved so I can keep the list updated

1 Queen non-smoking

[scootac]

Got ours, queen, non-smoking for Fri & Sat nights.:bannana

George

[TZMNDVL]

Steve,

Elaine and I are booked into a king suite 17,18, & 19. Looking forward to some excellent riding once again.

Stan

[nyener]

I just booked via phone one queen non-smoking . Checking in 7/17 and out 7/20.

[acedantinne]

Google list of campgrounds (http://maps.google.com/maps?near=18+East+Ave,+Wellsboro,+PA+16901&geocode=&q=campgrounds&f=l&sll=41.750504,-77.29723&sspn=0.033938,0.058365&ie=UTF8&z=10&om=0) around the motel

I stay every year at Stony fork campgrounds. very clean. Run bicycle ride through canyon. Spring and fall. Not alot of tent camping?

[STBNE]

Steve... I have reserved one Queen room nonsmoking:biker:Checking in on the 17th and out the 20th.

[gene]

Thanks Steve for all the work, but I'm not going to tie up a room till we figure out exactly when we are going out west:D I hope we will be back in town so we can at least get up for saturday and sunday. Let me know if you head up for a scouting trip in the spring I'd love to tag along for a fast day trip!!

[SteveST1300]

No problem Gene. I am sure we will do at least 1 scouting trip or maybe more. Its about 4 hours from my house by car. I might even do an overnighter:03biker:

[gene]

BY CAR :eek: :eek: :eek:

[SteveST1300]

No it takes 4 hours by car I guess it will take a bit more on the bike. How far is it for you?

[gene]

It's about 4 hours also 230 miles, would Harrisburg be a good place to meet?

[SteveST1300]

HMM it night be a bit out of the way for me I will have to look at the maps. Maybe Williamsport might be better then we can try some of the roads that were suggested on the way up.

[gene]

Ok we can figure out something between Moonshine, CampSTOC and out west, it's gonna be a fun year :D

[SteveST1300]

The rooms are booking pretty fast if you are interested make your reservations soon 13 rooms left.

[acedantinne]

Steve, I plan to attend. Will camp. Stone Fork Campgrounds. It is about 2 to 3 miles out of town.
I have spent a lot of time in this area. Bow hunting, bicycling,fishing and backpacking/camping.
If you would like can meet some day in area. Please e-mail me. Thanks.

[SteveST1300]

Sounds good as soon as the weather breaks a bit.

[Kessie]

Just made a reservation for Friday night for Joyce & I.
One night is all I can swing. Took one of the rooms with 2 queen beds at $90 no smoking.
See ya there!!
Kevin

[forgitaboutut]

Just made my Reservation
non smoking - 2 double beds...
didnt have the single queen....

[catcher]

Room's reserved, bike's gassed up, when do we leave! Sigh..., just sitting, waiting for the snow to start melting. There are at least three STO's within shouting distance around here; I'll start badgering them to attend, the more the merrier!:couch1:

[steve3b3]

I just called ,and reserved a first floor suite with two queen beds and seperate L/R.

As of now, it's just me attending, since Brenda hasn't got a lot of vacation.

See you then!
Steve:04biker:

[SteveST1300]

Looks like only 7 or 8 rooms left get em quick.

[SteveST1300]

Once these are gone you will be on your own as far as accomodations go. There are other motels in the area. I will see if I can get a list, but I will not set up further deals on rooms elsewhere.:03biker:

[jdsd-tourteam]

Hey there,

Just called the Canyon motel and the only non-smoking rooms left in the booked block for the ST group is the suites.

However, I booked one of the cottages there at the motel. I did not know about them!

Jon

[mitchnj]

Can anyone attend? Just book a room and ride?
Mitch

[SteveST1300]

Thats OK John I didn't list the cabin but it was available.:03biker:

[SteveST1300]

Mitch thats it.

[SteveST1300]

I guess someone has reserved rooms and not let me know. Thats OK its great to get em all booked up this early. I will post some suggested routes/rides a bit later.

[scootac]

I guess someone has reserved rooms and not let me know. Thats OK its great to get em all booked up this early.

Kessie replied that he booked a room, but you don't have him listed as attending. Would that explain it?

[SteveST1300]

it helps must have missed the post its not a problem for me at all. I was just trying to keep track of the rooms booked. It seems like all thats left is smoking rooms. But thats good we have the place all booked up early and those that book late have to take whats left.

[SteveST1300]

It looks like all the rooms may be gone I am going to call the motel today to find out whats left. If you snoozed you are now on your own for accomodations. I will see if I can post a list pof other motels, but I will not make any arrangements with them.:03biker:

[billxp]

Steve I'm sure there will be some people looking to share a room also.

[SteveST1300]

I just spoke with the motel there is 1 family suite available still, it has 3 double beds, and there are 3 smoking rooms with double beds. Yes you are right Bill these rooms went fast. Carl has told me he isnt going to make it. Greg and Todd are still working on it. Well I am confirmed and will start working up some rides.:03biker:

[SteveST1300]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:

[STBNE]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:
Lookin' forward to it...:D

[SteveST1300]

You bet Ben I can't wait. I am waiting for a pre ride opportunity. :03biker:

[blueSTormer]

So Steve, no Moonshine this year? (like last night).

[STBNE]

I was thinking abt taking my own PAGCSTOC preride over the memorial day weekend may 24th-26th...however I am going to a rally in Stroudsburg,PA that is hosted by a Yamaha forum dedicated to the 1978-1982 XS/XJ1100s'.This year commemorates the 30th anniversary of the XS Eleven.So i will touring around in the poconos that weekend...with abunch of Yamaha XSives...LOL...so it would seem that PA is big on my destination list this year.The hard part is waitng for Spring to come and decent riding weather...:) :biker:

[SteveST1300]

Bob I am still working on Moonshine I am trying to make it happen.

[SteveST1300]

:( Looks like Moonshine is out for me! CT STOC as well!:03biker:

[gene]

What's wrong with straight out friday evening and back sunday ? We were looking forward to seeing you. How about a end of april route check out day trip !

[blueSTormer]

:( Looks like Moonshine is out for me! CT STOC as well!:03biker:

CT-STOC as well? Tell me it ain't so, Steve. Who's going to go on the beer run with me now?:eek: :eek::eek: :mad:

[STBNE]

I ride for beer:beer8: :hat1: :D Be glad to join you or anyone for that matter;)Disclaimer...I only ride to pick the Beer up and bring it back to the campgrounds or Todds house.I do not drink and ride.

[Routemeister]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:
OK, I've completed 4 routes for this event. Each can be had as a detailed map w/route instructions pdf file, a gpx file and a gdb file.
Wellsboro Rt1 (252mi) - the route leads est via backroads to High Knob overlook near world's End St Park, then South and East to Woolrich PA (shop stop), then to Hyner view 900 ft above the Susquehanna river, where you may see some hang gliders soaring even higher, then a ride through Little Pine St Park and more back roads to PA Grand Canyon overlook. It's all paved and mostly all twisting.

[Routemeister]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:
Wellsboro Rt2 (299 mi) loops North & West before heading South to a 10mile ride up Wykoff Run, PA's version of Deals Gap. From there the route heads South East to an little known back road that contains every type of curve known to man, than takes a breather to run along the Susquehanna to Hyner View, then to the Woolrich store and finally a stop at the Grand Canyon overlook near Wellsboro

[Routemeister]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:
Wellsboro Rt3 (369 mi) is the West loop. It zig-zags westward to the Clarion river and a wild rhododendron forest. From there, the route returns East through the valley of the Elks (rt 555), then up Wykoff's Run, then Rt 144 to Hyner view & back to Grand Canyon via rt 414, then returns to Wellsboro

[Routemeister]

I have been offered some great help on routes Scootac(George) sent me a map with lots of great i9nfo on it roads restaurants etc. And Today David offered his help also. These are guys who are very familiar with the area so we should have some great rides posted soon.:03biker:
Wellsboro Rt4 (384 mi) The longest ride extends South-West to the Horseshoe Bend, a magnificent piece of railroad engineering to climb over the Allegheny ridge. On the way, the route stops at the Grand Canyon overlook and Hyner view. The return route includes a 73 mi run on Rt 144 - one village, one traffic light, one stop sign and very little traffic.

[STBNE]

Routemeister....Fascinating!Are these rides for each day?I see there are some stops so does tha mean lunch?....I noticed we go thru Forksville and we dont stop there...I heard good food there at the little store...just wonderin.Also noticed we seem to be at the woolrich store alot...what is the attraction to this store? Other than Woolrich clothing I assume...

[CarSalesman]

Meister - I live in the area y'all are going to, and I've been on most of the roads you propose. A few comments from my experience:

Route 1: Route 287 just south of Morris is one of the great high speed up/down roads. You turned off 287, and missed that piece.

Last I knew, the road to High Knob overlook wasn't paved, but I haven't been there in many years, so maybe its changed. The road from Forksville going further east (through Worlds End State Park) is wonderful, twisty, following along the creek. I'd pick that instead of High Knob. 87 from Forksville to Montoursville is fun (fast stretch). I'd suggest coming down 154 into Forksville, then back north 87 to Dushore, south 220 to Laporte (watch LEOs on 220), 154 back to Forksville, 87 south till it runs into the rest of your route.

#2 looks great.

#3 looks great (hard to find bad roads around here!). Might consider on 44 going north out of Carter, turn southwest on whatever that road is that cuts over to Wharton, where you hit 872 again just south of your current route. That suggestion will keep you more in the mountainous terrain, as opposed to the edges of it.

#4 looks great on the parts that I know. The southern tip of the route is out of my territory.

[SteveST1300]

You guys are great those routes all look awesome. This should give everyone something to pick from and ride any combination of route or routes as well.

Thanks very much for the help this will go along way to making this a great event.:03biker:

[Routemeister]

Routemeister....Fascinating!Are these rides for each day?I see there are some stops so does tha mean lunch?....I noticed we go thru Forksville and we dont stop there...I heard good food there at the little store...just wonderin.Also noticed we seem to be at the woolrich store alot...what is the attraction to this store? Other than Woolrich clothing I assume...
If you ride them all, it's going to be a long weekend! I like to provide ride choices so groups of 4-6 riders can depart and no single road is going to be crowded with a parade (what I hate about Harley rides). I haven't noted lunch stops on the routes, but I will work up a list of interesting food stops that can be found along one or more of the routes. The Woolrich store is shown as a stop because it's an interesting store and the roads leading to it are some of the best in the area. Stops are optional anyway.

[Routemeister]

Meister - I live in the area y'all are going to, and I've been on most of the roads you propose. A few comments from my experience:

Route 1: Route 287 just south of Morris is one of the great high speed up/down roads. You turned off 287, and missed that piece.
Last I knew, the road to High Knob overlook wasn't paved, but I haven't been there in many years, so maybe its changed. The road from Forksville going further east (through Worlds End State Park) is wonderful, twisty, following along the creek. I'd pick that instead of High Knob. 87 from Forksville to Montoursville is fun (fast stretch). I'd suggest coming down 154 into Forksville, then back north 87 to Dushore, south 220 to Laporte (watch LEOs on 220), 154 back to Forksville, 87 south till it runs into the rest of your route.
#2 looks great.

#3 looks great (hard to find bad roads around here!). Might consider on 44 going north out of Carter, turn southwest on whatever that road is that cuts over to Wharton, where you hit 872 again just south of your current route. That suggestion will keep you more in the mountainous terrain, as opposed to the edges of it

#4 looks great on the parts that I know. The southern tip of the route is out of my territory.

Re rt1
The High knob road is paved. unfortunately the other road to the Loyalsock river overlook isn't, so I didn't add it to the route. Rt87 to Dushore is very nice, but it's not exciting until speeds are well over the limit. If that's your thing, go for it!
Rt 287 is very nice and it's an easy shortcut for any rider. I'm not into routing on the fastest roads, preferring the tighter twisting roads, usually with less traffic (and lower LEO presence), Rt 284 is tight, has some nice scenery and the back roads from Rt 284 to Liberty are gems with virtually no traffic.

Re Rt3
The shortcut to Wharton was partly unpaved the last time that I rode it, so I didn't include it

[STBNE]

Definitely good choices to be had here...I'm not sure if I'd do them all...as you said ...that would make for a long weekend..but 2 days of riding around Wellsboro area should be good...Thankyou for providing these routes:cool: :biker:

[Mcreviver]

I would not recommend taking some of these routes at warp speed unless you are behind someone who is very familiar with the roads. On any summer Monday you will most likely read about someone who missed a curve and ran off the road. Unfortunately, they likely hit the trees and were hurt or worse. I've been riding in Central PA for 44 years now and know that on weekends you are more likely to have more traffic on the rural roads and a greater percentage of drivers who have alcohol in their system. Of course with gas at $3.50 a gallon or more, we might have the roads to ourselves.

[Routemeister]

I would not recommend taking some of these routes at warp speed unless you are behind someone who is very familiar with the roads. On any summer Monday you will most likely read about someone who missed a curve and ran off the road. Unfortunately, they likely hit the trees and were hurt or worse. I've been riding in Central PA for 44 years now and know that on weekends you are more likely to have more traffic on the rural roads and a greater percentage of drivers who have alcohol in their system. Of course with gas at $3.50 a gallon or more, we might have the roads to ourselves.

I agree! My rule is: ride no faster than I can see, even if I know the road. When the sight lines are short, it's foolhardy to think there's no surprise just out of sight. You need to be able to stop in the distance between you and your immediate horizon, if it's short, you had better be riding slow enough. Also, I try to be off the back roads before dark - to avoid the critters and the drunks.
Regards, Routemeister (70 yrs, 42 on the motorcycle)

[STBNE]

I agree! My rule is: ride no faster than I can see, even if I know the road. When the sight lines are short, it's foolhardy to think there's no surprise just out of sight. You need to be able to stop in the distance between you and your immediate horizon, if it's short, you had better be riding slow enough. Also, I try to be off the back roads before dark - to avoid the critters and the drunks.
Regards, Routemeister (70 yrs, 42 on the motorcycle)
Well +2 here.I am in this as a recreational pursuit so a high degree of technicality.. on the edge... at hyperspeeds... on roads that for sure will have some blind decreasing radius turns..so one should be prudent...regardless of the leader...you always ride your own ride.:D I am always a little apprehensive on roads i am not familiar with at least the first time I ride them.The fact that this part of PA is not densely populated means lots of wildlife to be on the lookout for as well.So wow this constitutes my 900th post!DA## I need to spend more time in the saddle;) :biker: :D

[SteveST1300]

Routemister you are right about group size 4-6 riders is as big as a group should get, unless everyone is very familiar with each other. But with more than 4-6 you just get strung out to much.

[SteveST1300]

Hey BNE the format for this event is going to be very loose no planned groups you get witha rider or group ad go no leaders etc. I want to keep the groups small and safe.

[STBNE]

Good Morning STeve...I agree that 4-6 riders in a group is a good size.I have a Zumo 450 that i dont really know how to download routes to...so I better learn how to do that so at least the Zumo can tell me where to go...LOL pun intended....I like the planned informality of this event..heck if you just wanna kick back in Wellsboro..I'm sure that could be done too...or you can just ride evryday...I plan something in between the two...but nothing is set in stone...so to say:cool: OK going for a ride today to blow out the cobwebs....:biker: ;) See Ya:biker:The fact that this is loosely put together gives ppl a great deal of flexibility to go and to stop when and where you feel like it.I'm likiking this more with each passing day...ok I'll let some others chime in too...

[acedantinne]

I would not recommend taking some of these routes at warp speed unless you are behind someone who is very familiar with the roads. On any summer Monday you will most likely read about someone who missed a curve and ran off the road. Unfortunately, they likely hit the trees and were hurt or worse. I've been riding in Central PA for 44 years now and know that on weekends you are more likely to have more traffic on the rural roads and a greater percentage of drivers who have alcohol in their system. Of course with gas at $3.50 a gallon or more, we might have the roads to ourselves.

The only bike crash i had was on 44 north just left the Fin Fur and feather trading post,(? still in business?) Hit a deer 68 Honda CL350. Near were the sign says welcome to the Black Forest. Critters!
Route 144 to Black Well very tight. Single lane bridges.
Have you ever rode from Heydner Mt. to Ole bull State Park to the town of Cross Fork? Nice run. Instead of turning into Cross Fork go straight. End up in Renova.

[scootac]

I agree! My rule is: ride no faster than I can see, even if I know the road. When the sight lines are short, it's foolhardy to think there's no surprise just out of sight. You need to be able to stop in the distance between you and your immediate horizon, if it's short, you had better be riding slow enough. Also, I try to be off the back roads before dark - to avoid the critters and the drunks.
Regards, Routemeister (70 yrs, 42 on the motorcycle)

Good advice for this area!!!
Pennsylvania is not known for the quality and/or design of their roads. Many roads follow trails and paths laid down many moons ago and they have just barely gotten around to putting a decent smooth coating of asphalt on them.
And if the pavement does get rough, they put that wondrous "tar and chip" crap on them. Let's hope that's not the case too often. Following the old paths does make them very scenic and curvy though, so there's the trade-off. Most roads have plenty of blind hills and curves, so as Dave said, "line of sight". Also, curve radius is consistently inconsistent. Don't think you know what's coming next.
With all that said, and the context of this week-end being part riding, part socializing and meeting people, I'm thinking 150-250 mile days may be more in order. Till you get breakfast, ride, take pictures, ride, chat, get lunch, take pictures ..... and get to safety before dark, it will be a full day. Sure, you can do 400 miles in a day here if you want to. Look how many miles Kessie has, and I think he rides in this area quite a bit, but I'm not going to try that. But I can ride here anytime, so decide for yerself!
And the good part is, if you don't get it all covered, it will be here waiting on you for the next time!
Scootac

[SteveST1300]

Well said George, as I said in on of my earlier posts this event will be a very informal gathering of like minded riders. Ride as long and far or as short a ride as you are comfortable with. I just want to get to meet some more ST'ers and ride the area safely. I am coming up to tour the area. There is a lot to see up there, If you like Dams there is Kinzu there are many state forests I for one would like to visit the Laport Hotel if its still there, I was there many years ago. A couple of you guys have provided many great roads to ride and I thank you. Every one should ride their own ride/style. :03biker:

[STBNE]

Well lets see...considering that these rides could be shortened...would it be possible for those of you who know...to post some alternatives to the longer rides?Say between 150-230 miles or so?

[newbornst1300]

Well said George, as I said in on of my earlier posts this event will be a very informal gathering of like minded riders. Ride as long and far or as short a ride as you are comfortable with. I just want to get to meet some more ST'ers and ride the area safely. I am coming up to tour the area. There is a lot to see up there, If you like Dams there is Kinzu there are many state forests I for one would like to visit the Laport Hotel if its still there, I was there many years ago. A couple of you guys have provided many great roads to ride and I thank you. Every one should ride their own ride/style. :03biker:

We do have a large group of STers signed up for this one so keeping it as informal as possible allowing individuals and small groups to do their own thing is the only way to go. The meals/gatherings allow for plenty of socializing so there is no need for large groups on the road.
Bennie, just have the Canyon Motel programmed into the Zumo and you won't get lost. I have found some interesting roads that way... just make sure that you have plenty of gas. Now, when is this snow going to stop.

[STBNE]

We do have a large group of STers signed up for this one so keeping it as informal as possible allowing individuals and small groups to do their own thing is the only way to go. The meals/gatherings allow for plenty of socializing so there is no need for large groups on the road.
Bennie, just have the Canyon Motel programmed into the Zumo and you won't get lost. I have found some interesting roads that way... just make sure that you have plenty of gas. Now, when is this snow going to stop.

Chris...appreciate the advice on the Zumo...looking forward to meeting up with you and many others as well...the past 3 days have been pretty warm for central NJ...50's-70's.no snow here...wishing you all warm weather up there in Ontario:D

[Mcreviver]

Unless you have a distant destination in mind, I think a 150 mile ride will be more than sufficient if road carving is what you are interested in. Particularly if the weather is in the high and humid 85 degrees and above. And in the post #173, it is "Hyner" Mountain and "Renovo", if you go looking for them on the map. It may be pronounced Renova up here but that's not the way you'll enter it in your GPS.
BTW< The road up to the lookout on Hyner Mountain will definitely get your pulse rate up. It's about a lane and a half wide and once I was on the way up and about 150 HDs were on the way down. One idiot was riding two abreast and talking to the guy to his right when he looked up and saw me (and my wife) dead ahead. I certainly wasn't going to swing to my right as it was a loooong way down. He swerved and braked and just missed us. If any of you have a camera mount, you'll want to bring it and turn it on at the bottom. It would be best if someone would ride ahead to the top and with a two way radio, communicate to the rest at the bottom, if the road was clear of any traffic coming down. You can see one of the turns, half way down, from the top. This may not be the "Tail of the Dragon" but it's definitely the tail of the chipmunk.

[SteveST1300]

I have ridden out that way before but that sounds like a road worth trying out. This is shaping up to be a great event. Now I wonder when the rest of the New England gang will chime in?:03biker:

[Routemeister]

Well lets see...considering that these rides could be shortened...would it be possible for those of you who know...to post some alternatives to the longer rides?Say between 150-230 miles or so?
Any of the routes that I posted have enough detail to enable "shortcuts" if you like a shorter ride. I assume an average speed of ~45 mph for sport touring on the back roads, including rest/photo stops, but not including lunch stops. So all of the rides posted qualify as a day's ride.

I wanted to be sure that the routes captured the landscape beauty in that region of PA as well as interesting roads less traveled by the motoring public. A shorter ride simply reduces the experience. But there aren't any really dull roads in that area, so just pick a route and enjoy as much or as little as you wish.

Regards, Dave

[STBNE]

Routemeister...I do appreciate your efforts to enlighten us to this beautiful area and i will want to see as much as is possible while still balancing being in town as well...so again Thanks for these routes...:D

[jdsd-tourteam]

Routemeister...I do appreciate your efforts to enlighten us to this beautiful area and i will want to see as much as is possible while still balancing being in town as well...so again Thanks for these routes...:D

I cannot agree more! Thanks Routemeister for a gold mine of routes that makes it so convenient for me and my SO to enjoy!

BTW - My SO has never done something like this - meet up with a a bunch of like-minded folks to enjoy a few days of (small) group touring. Oh, we have done a fair share of touring, but it has been just the two of us. We will probably be taking it easy and enjoy what we can at a pace we enjoy.

Thanks to all making this possible!

Jon

[Routemeister]

Sharing routes is my pleasure - and you couldn't meet a better group for your kind of touring than STOC! - so enjoy. If you want to more tour options in the East, check the routes cataog at my site.
Regards, Dave
http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/

[Mcreviver]

You folks won't get to see much scenery unless PENNDOT gets a whole lot of potholes patched by June. Even some of the four lanes around here look like the Ho Chi Minh Trail. You'll be too busy watching the road surface to take in much of the countryside. Remember, gasoline demand is dropping with the price hikes and the tax on fuel is what takes care of the roads. If you swerve to miss all the holes, a 100 mile ride will total about 125.

[Routemeister]

Most of the roads on my routes aren't normally used by the trucking industry, so they haven't been subjected to the pounding that plagues the the main roads. That's not to say they will be pristine, but they should be better shape than most urban/suburban roads. Early season riding in the North East does require an eagle eye to watch for debris left over from winter sanding/salting, but hopefully the spring rains will have flushed most of that away by July.

[Mcreviver]

They are exploring/drilling for natural gas in north central PA and the trucks are pounding the rural roads. I was on RT 973 between RT 44 and RT 287 on Sunday and it was in the worst condition I have ever seen it. They even managed to get an 18 wheeler with a load of drill pipe stuck and blocking the whole road. They were trying to turn uphill onto a dirt road and didn't make the turn. I'll keep the group posted if/when the weather breaks and they start repairing the pavment.

[ST-DocLizard1]

They are exploring/drilling for natural gas in north central PA and the trucks are pounding the rural roads. I was on RT 973 between RT 44 and RT 287 on Sunday and it was in the worst condition I have ever seen it. They even managed to get an 18 wheeler with a load of drill pipe stuck and blocking the whole road. They were trying to turn uphill onto a dirt road and didn't make the turn. I'll keep the group posted if/when the weather breaks and they start repairing the pavment.

Thanks for the update. Please keep us posted.

Doc

[GRN]

STeve, looks like I'm probably good to go... anyone looking for a roommate?

[GRN]

I'm in... Thanks George!

Steve, ready for some Moonburgers? :clap2:

[GRN]

For those coming from a northerly point... my plan to/from PASTOC will be to take two days each way:

Going to, on Wed. 07.16 I'll be heading North initially through the Northeast Kingdom of VT, and probably landing in the Adirondacks for the night. From there I'll make my way to Wellsboro through the Finger Lakes region, arriving early/mid afternoon Thursday. On the way home I'll probably head east into some of my old turf in PA, swinging north to the Catskills for the night. From there I'll probably swing pretty far north (and do Tracey Rd. yet again) before taking a hard right for home.

If anyone is interested in hooking up for all or part of this jaunt, drop me a line and I'll keep in touch as the plan takes final form.

For those going to ONSTOC, I'll probably be doing something similar.... and looking for some ideas from the brothers north of the border to find a long way home, targeting re-entry to the states in VT. I'll post a similar message there.

Nelson... fly fishing destinations could be a relatively high priority in choosing these routes ;)

[93NJST]

I just called the hotel. Only three rooms left and they are either smoking or multiple beds in the room. Is there any other motels in the area? I've tried a search and have not turned up anything.


Cheers,
Adam

[SteveST1300]

http://www.wellsboropahotels.worldweb.com/index.htm

Try these. This event booked up quickly I did give everyone fair notice. I hope you find something close by.:03biker:

[93NJST]

Thanks Steve. My schedule is still up in the air but I'm working on it.

Thanks,
Adam

[WarrenK]

I wish I could make this event, but will be out west at the time. I am planning to get up this way with some friends at another time and really appreciate all the good info posted here. I'd like to offer some links I've discovered as well. Found this video of Wycoff Run Road...

http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=3073624204127792332

As well as this slideshow that someone has of Hyner View and Wycoff Run Road...notice the critters in the area...

http://community.webshots.com/slideshow/560572243qfNgty?mediaPosition=1

[Routemeister]

I live ~2-1/2 hours from Wellsboro so I will probably make it to the event by leaving early from home and arriving at the Wellsboro diner ~8:00AM for breakfast. (I'm hosting some VFR riders from Canada in the days immediately prior to the event). Depending on how the day goes, I'll either get a room for Saturday night or ride home Saturday evening.

Regards, Routemeister

[DeanR]

Hey Dave, if you need a room I'll probably have a spot because it's likely that my brother in law will not make it.

[DeanR]

Regarding dates, is Friday arrival day or a riding day ??

[Routemeister]

Regarding dates, is Friday arrival day or a riding day ??
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So far as I know, it's arrival day. Although when you're as close as we are, it could be a riding day as well.

PS - regarding the room offer, Thanks! If the VFR guests depart early, I might show up Friday too.

Regards, Routemeister

[Carl_T]

While this is real close to the wedding so things could still go wrong, it looks 98% like Dawn and I will make it to PASTOC after all ... YAY :)

We'll be rolling in Thursday night to ride the area Friday and Saturday, Sunday home. :D Be seeing y'all there. :yes:

[newbornst1300]

Glad you can make it Carl...It'll be great to see you and Dawn again.

[jdsd-tourteam]

Susan and I will be heading out from the Philly area early Friday - either before or after rush hour! So it's a good possibility that we could take in an afternoon ride up around there with anyone else who is interested. :biker:

Jon

[Carl_T]

It'll be good to see you and Sam also. I thought we'd miss seeing you guys this year, but now we are also looking to find a way to work NNESTOC in as well :)

By the way, does anybody have some locations of scenic outlooks in the PA Canyon area? I see the two that Dave put into his routes (Leanord Harrison and Hyner View) but I was wondering if anyone knew of other spots that would be good Photo Ops as well???

[Mcreviver]

There's not a lot around. Unless you want to do some dirt riding. Some places have the trees growing up too high in front of them to see much of the valley below. I you want a dynamite view, how about a ride to Julian, PA for a ride in a high performance sailplane? BTDT.

[Carl_T]

Jeeeze, don't tell Dawn that, we'll be flying instead of riding :p:

Thanks for the info. It looks like Routmeister has two lookouts listed on the routes, so I'll be sure to hit those wherever we ride those days. :)

[scootac]

By the way, does anybody have some locations of scenic outlooks in the PA Canyon area? I see the two that Dave put into his routes (Leanord Harrison and Hyner View) but I was wondering if anyone knew of other spots that would be good Photo Ops as well???

There are several locations on Rt. 144 between Moshannon and Renovo, and on Rt. 44 north of Cross Forks. They aren't parks or anything, just pull off areas where you can look out across the mountain tops. Might be a couple off Rt. 664 north of Lock Haven that look down into Pine Creek, but I'm thinking they are off on dirt roads and I don't know what the roads are like, possibly I can check them out before July.
Hope that helps you,
George

[Carl_T]

George,
I'm thinking of doing a slightly shortened Routmeister Rt.2 which has me traveling 120 by Renovo to Wycoff Run and has me picking up 144 again down near Snowshoe.

I could run up 144 from either end then, Renovo or Snowshoe, then double back and pick up my route again, which end would be closer to the pull offs and do you think the view is nice enough to add the extra miles on 144 for?

I can't seen cross forks on the map.

664 was part of what I cut out to get the route down to 258mi. so I won't need that road check. Perhaps some others might want it though?

anyway thanks George:)

[SteveST1300]

Guys Friday is arrival day but some of us are going up on Thursday an dmaking Friday a riding day as well. I hope to get a weekend to get up there and find a place to maybe have a meal for the entire group. Or anyone who is interested. Maybe for Friday night just get some pizzas or something and kick tires at the motel.

[Carl_T]

You local guys, how's speed enforcement in the area? I only go 5-10mph over when the road is OK and the density sparse, but I don't have radar and would hate to get popped for 10 over.

[Routemeister]

It'll be good to see you and Sam also. I thought we'd miss seeing you guys this year, but now we are also looking to find a way to work NNESTOC in as well :)

By the way, does anybody have some locations of scenic outlooks in the PA Canyon area? I see the two that Dave put into his routes (Leanord Harrison and Hyner View) but I was wondering if anyone knew of other spots that would be good Photo Ops as well???
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Coulton St Park, on the West side of the canyon is accessed from US 6, just west of Ansonia (follow PA 362 from Wellsboro to the US 6 junction. The park has a nice overlook at the end of the paved road into the park. It was a little "buggy" when I visited a few weeks ago, but should be OK in July. If you don't mind riding unpaved roads, you can continue though the park on forest roads and eventually end up on PA 414 near Slate run. I introduced the ST1300 to dirt roads there a few weeks ago. The roads were in excellent condition and presented no problems for the the bike.
Regards, Routemeister

[Routemeister]

You local guys, how's speed enforcement in the area? I only go 5-10mph over when the road is OK and the density sparse, but I don't have radar and would hate to get popped for 10 over.
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Most of the roads on the route are posted for 35 mph to 45 mph - unreasonably low!. Radar detector wouldn't help much because only the State Police have them and they're mostly used on the interstate routes. The local police use VASCAR. The tip off is a white line across the pavement. There's another one just a few yards away, so get on the brakes & scrub off the speed when you see the white line! It's been my experience that 10 over won't get you a ticket, but 15 over will.
Regards, Routemeister

[Carl_T]

Thanks on both counts Dave, important info. especially on the VASCAR thing :)

The Colton Park overlook along with that nice long dirt run to 414 looks like it would be a cool thing maybe to include for Friday if we happened to get there Thursday night, and if it wasn't raining (or hadn't just rained hard the day before). I ran some of the guys up about a half mile of thin mud slicked dirt road to Cooper Lake's view last weekend in the rain. The ST1300s with me did great, though the bikes looked a bit gray coverd from the light mud :D Two up on a dirt road is fine with me taking it a bit easy going, and can be a way to see countryside you otherwise would miss. A bunch of us went up Mt. Washington at last years NNESTOC and part of that is still dirt, everyone did well with the bikes even though an adventure tourer it isn't. ;)

[Kempo-STer]

For the record I just tried again this morning with the calendar appropriations committee and get shot down:spank1: :shrug1:

[SteveST1300]

So there will be enough beer for the rest of us;)

[scootac]

You local guys, how's speed enforcement in the area? I only go 5-10mph over when the road is OK and the density sparse, but I don't have radar and would hate to get popped for 10 over.

Carl-
Worry more about critters and the road than any police. I very seldom see any kind of police in the whole area, let alone any radar. If any presence at all, most likely to be on the "major" roads, such as 120 and 6. If you can call them major. If you see them anywhere else, most likely they are going/coming from another call.
Also, gas stations aren't that plentiful, but on an ST, shouldn't be a problem.
Cell phone service generally not a problem, it's just not there!

George

[SteveST1300]

George are there any restaurants that can accommodate a large group? I am going to try and come up for a weekend in June to check it all out.:03biker:

[Carl_T]

Todd, who am I going to give the rest of my sixpack to after I drink my two? Ya gotta come!

Gonna miss ya Bud.

Thanks George. I'm a critter magnet and seem to attract deer to jump out in front of me more than the average bear, but we have lots of them up here too so hopefully all will be well.

I'll be two up on the Bandit which I gas up every 100-130mi., but the route I think I'm going to take Saturday (a modified Dave's Route2) shows two truck stops where 53 goes by 88, so that should do me OK. I'd hate to sleep in the woods out or gas :D

[scootac]

George are there any restaurants that can accommodate a large group? I am going to try and come up for a weekend in June to check it all out.:03biker:

Two places come to mind, Penn Wells Hotel and The Steakhouse. Both on Main Street in Wellsboro, just up from the diner. Penn Wells says it has rooms for private parties, don't know about the Steakhouse. I've eaten at both, like the Steakhouse very much. Might be worth a shot to see what they have for a large group.

George

[SteveST1300]

Thanks George

[SteveST1300]

I am going to try and make a trip up to Wellsboro on the 21st of June ( that weekend) Probably leave work Friday afternoon get to Wellsboro Friday night, ride Saturday stay Saturday night and head home Sunday.:03biker:

[SteveST1300]

OK all I contacted the Penn Wells Hotel they can provide us with a Buffet all you can eat for $24.95 tip and soft drinks included, they serve Prime Rib Chicken scallops shrimp and crab legs, they do have a bar! I am still trying to contacty the Steak House, I sent them an e-mail but they have not responded. While I am up thjere in June I will sample the buffet, and report back. But I think they may be the only plave that can accomodate 45-50 people.:03biker: Let me have some feedback please.:03biker:

[Del]

Any place that is walking distance to the hotel is fine by me, as long as it is not vegetarian only.

[Carl_T]

Sounds practical to me STeve.

[SteveST1300]

Thanks guys I added a Poll we will see what happens.:03biker:

[STBNE]

Seems like the Hotel buffet is the best option...at this time...so i voted for that....:D

[jdsd-tourteam]

Hi folks,

Although I know this is weekend is for enjoyment, I'm thinking that $25 a person for the buffet is a tad high. I would rather dine somewhere less expensive (and within walking distance of the motel).

ANyone know off-hand the check-in time at the motel? As we'll probably get there around noon time, anyone wanting to do an afternoon ride on Friday?

Jon

[ILUVALTEC]

Jeeeze, don't tell Dawn that, we'll be flying instead of riding :p:

Thanks for the info. It looks like Routmeister has two lookouts listed on the routes, so I'll be sure to hit those wherever we ride those days. :)
Yes some people really fly as you can see at photo at Hyner View.
I was there last weekend(May 24-26) and found out that
-Hyner View has better view than Colton/Leonard Harrison Park
-Canyon is so deep so it's better to visit Mid day than late afternoon for view.
as you can see on a Photo at Leonard Harrison Park I was there late afternoon so shade makes very dark view of Colton park side. Then I went to Colton park but view was not that great as Hyner view so I did not even take picture for view.
- So I was at Leonard Harrison Park next morning but view was about same as Colton Park.
- Route 414 before meet 287(Cedar Run/Blackwell area) seems bumpy if I remember correctly
- I made mistake to get Leonard Harrison Park from maybe Morris by relying on GPS's "shortest distance" that leads me to more than 30 minutes of sweating dirt road riding. So be careful.
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[forgitaboutut]

Is anybody coming from NY area (Gansevoort, NY to be exact)
and has room to carry a rear wheel (Rim + Tire)?
I'd be willing to pay $75.00...

[SteveST1300]

The reason I chose the Hotel is they can accommodate all of us there is nothing else in the area that can do that. But it is optional you can eat wherever you want to. Doesnt seem like a bad price to me. All you can eat Prime Rib and Crab Legs.

[Del]

The reason I chose the Hotel is they can accommodate all of us there is nothing else in the area that can do that. But it is optional you can eat wherever you want to. Doesnt seem like a bad price to me. All you can eat Prime Rib and Crab Legs.

Note to self: Bring wide angle bib.

[gene]

$25 Prime rib and Crab legs !!!! WOW . Steve I could come up early on the 21 for a day trip if you want some company ? Maybe meet you around lunch time ride till 4-5 and head home ?

[SteveST1300]

Sound good to me Gene. I will be there! My cell is 609-865-6190:03biker:

[Carl_T]

Wow, thanks for the info. and very cool photos. I downloaded the Hyner View shots. That's the view we'll be sure to get in then. :)

Crab legs STeve.... YUMMEE. Lord $25 is durn cheap splitting the check with these guys. Poor Todd bought himself a $60 hamburger one night :crackup:

[SteveST1300]

Pre-ride 6/20- 6/22?

[scootac]

I saw on another forum that signs are up stating Rt. 144 is to be tarred and chipped "soon".:(
But, maybe if it's done in next couple of weeks, might not be too bad by mid July.
Not sure how soon or how long it will take, or even what sections. I might be able to take a look this week-end and report back. Won't be able to do pre-ride 6/21, already have plans.
George

[WVUandVT2]

Count me in. Looks like I'll be able to come. Now I have to find myself a motel room :-)

[SteveST1300]

Try the Canyon Motel they may have something.

[Trekker]

I've been cruising the many pages of this thread and would like some clarification please... are there any solid dinner plans made for either Friday or Saturday night?

I'm thinking I might be able to buzz down Friday afternoon and stay just the one night, (and that might is iffy).

[Mcreviver]

Well, good news. The snow has now all melted in north central PA. Now, who wants to go for a ride in 98 degrees?

[SteveST1300]

Dave we usually try to have the big dinner on Saturday night, as many will still be rolling in on Friday. Friday night informal get to know everyone maybe pizza at the motel. Or whatever you may want to do. Saturday ride!:03biker:

[SteveST1300]

OK Bones and I are going to be heading out to Wellsboro on Friday the 20th of June. I want to check out the restaurant and ride some of the roads up there. We will be camping. If anyone wants to join us on Saturday drop me a PM.:03biker:

[gene]

Have a gret time Steve , check out the camping for me while your there. If I wasn't going to H2orider's (Kreis) for a rte I'd tag along !!

[blueSTormer]

OK Bones and I are going to be heading out to Wellsboro on Friday the 20th of June. I want to check out the restaurant and ride some of the roads up there. We will be camping. If anyone wants to join us on Saturday drop me a PM.:03biker:
Rats! I have a commitment. Enjoy.

[Carl_T]

I'm doing the family get together thing so I'll miss out, be thinking of youse :)

[SteveST1300]

No takers oh well Bones and I will venture out anyway. I am sure we will have a great ride. We will miss you all. Well maybe not!;)

[STBNE]

I'd like to join you guys however other comittments are preventing me from doing so.Pls be safe and enjoy the sites.I'd be interested in knowing what routes you are taking up there.I am still trying to figure the best way up...but have looked at a few...including taking Rte 6 from Scranton...:D :03biker: :03biker: :biker:

[forgitaboutut]

I wish I could! but it's like 740 miles! I don't think I would make back on time for dinner

[pretbek]

I'd like to join you guys however other comittments are preventing me from doing so.Pls be safe and enjoy the sites.I'd be interested in knowing what routes you are taking up there.I am still trying to figure the best way up...but have looked at a few...including taking Rte 6 from Scranton...:D :03biker: :03biker: :biker:

Ben, do you have MapSource? I could send you the .gdb file of the route that I made from West Chester PA to Wellsboro. Let me know if you want it.

[Bones]

Ben, do you have MapSource? I could send you the .gdb file of the route that I made from West Chester PA to Wellsboro. Let me know if you want it.
Well, Dennis, since you made that route, why not take and join us?
:03biker: :cf1: :headbang:

[STBNE]

PM'd you Dennis:D