ST1300PA

[O24]

Anyone riding a ST on duty. I'm looking for different light configurations and how the bike was set up. Looking forward the Honda, two years on a Harley has been a pain in my @#$.

[sam7]

If you give me an email address I can send you some pictures of how we have ours set up. Overall we are happy with them. We would not recommend puting the radio head up on the dash the way ours ended up. It requires cutting the dash and the radio blocks some of the instrument panel when in normal riding position.

[O24]

my PD email is tony.slowik@oakharbor.org

I appreciate all input

[DavidM]

O24

The Victoria, BC city police have a fleet of ST1300. Someone there may be able to help.

Dave

[lawmanuk]

Anyone riding a ST on duty. I'm looking for different light configurations and how the bike was set up. Looking forward the Honda, two years on a Harley has been a pain in my @#$.

I had one at work till they took it from me...:confused: I should have the suspension setup at work filed somewhere. I will PM you to het an e mail addess should I come across it..

[O24]

Thanks I appreciate all info. I am really looking forward to riding the ST on patrol. My email is tony.slowik@oakharbor.org

Tony

[tnman]

I am also getting a ST1300PA in a few weeks. First bike I have set up so I would appreciate any pictures and ideas. I have quite a bit of stuff in the works but I could use a little more help. Any pictures of department bikes can be sent to: tnman@sbcglobal.net

[sam7]

I'll get some pictures tomorrow when I get to work and I'll send them off to you both.

[O24]

tnman,

What equipment are you running on your bike, radar, radio, video camera system?

O24

[tnman]

We will have a Stalker II radar and our radios are Motoroloa 800 MmhZ I think XLS5000. I plan to mount the radar on top of the clutch resivoir and the radio and L-3 Mobile vision Camera display on top, center of the forks using the motorcycle larry mounts (http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/ST1300RBMC.aspx) the DVR for the camera will go in the street side saddlebag. the radio will go in the top Honda compartment where the rear seat normally is. Planning on Whelen lights at the moment, still working on Siren and graphics. I have some pics of another depts Whelen lights that I will send but I have to shink them down considerably in size. Siren is the biggest hurdle at the moment and finding someone who will wire it all up for a fair price. Also getting the SetCom Wireless liberator for helmet communications. SHould be a nice setup once it is done. Got the bike and heated grips installed out the door for $14,295. Thought that was a good price.

[JZH]

I plan to mount the radar on top of the clutch resivoir and the radio and L-3 Mobile vision Camera display on top, center of the forks using the motorcycle larry mounts (http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/ST1300RBMC.aspx) the DVR for the camera will go in the street side saddlebag.FYI, I have that mount, and while it does work fine and seems to stay put, the only thing holding it on is two little M5 screws. Not really what I would choose for a "working" bike that could see a bit of abuse. For a RAM-ball mount, the Bike-Quip seems much stronger, as it uses M8 bolts (I also have that one).

Ciao,

[O24]

Good ideas,

We are using Kustom Motoreye camera systems for now. We are going to replace the rear cowling with PVP Communications rear cowling. This will allow lid for tape replacement. This also allows the radio amp to be mounted under VHS player. I have contacted Squad Fitters and they have a demo one off light bracket for Tier 3 lights to be mounted in front cowling. I think we will be getting the Whelen siren harness and mount from Squad Fitters. They advertise a custom harness designed for the Honda with no splicing. I am trying to keep both bags free for gear and not to hard mount equipment. I have decided to go with a tank bag and mount the camera screen in the tank bag. This will allow time to figure if I want it hard mounted on the bike and I am trying for a grant to up grade to a digital system.

TNMAN

Are you using crashbars or something different? Lynnwood Cyclebarn in Lynnwood, WA has own design that uses rear peg mounts and engine mounts. They are low profile and have expendable pucks on the ends that wear down over time and are about $5 to replace.

Just a thought.

Thanks for the help.

[tnman]

Can you send me the link to the crash guards. I went ot the web site and was unable to find anything. We are going with another company on the first one so it will hold our siren and stuff but I am always looking for more ideas and options.

Also...

I think Squadfitters only has one harness for the "Plug" and it is made by federal signal. The package deal is almost $1000. I think I am going to go with a Whelen setup $115 for the amp and $ 125 for the speaker. Does not have the plug but saves around $700 and I am already over budget!

The other mounts looks good but international orders may be a pain for government work.

[sam7]

Emails sent to you both with pictures. Let me know if they don't get through and I'll try something else.

[tnman]

Nothin

[O24]

These are Lynnwood Cycle Barns custom version of crashbars. If you google King County Sheriff's Office Washington and look for motorcycles you can see these installed on Civilian St1300's fits both models.
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[tnman]

Would make a clean install but I need a place to mount siren, opticon and intersection lights so I think the traditional ones will work better for me. (plus I already ordered them and they will come in on Tues) Hope I can get them mounted with no problems by myself. Can't be much to them. Will try and keep up with pictures while I am doing things and have pics of completed project later.

[DixieFlyer]

tnman,
Some pics I took in August of the SC Trooper's ST1300. Looks like they used a standard ST instead of the P model. I'm not a LEO and took the pics in Charleston at a LEO motorofficer's bike competition. Hope they help.
Rgds

[tnman]

Interesting pics. Some are MC Enterprise crash guards and some are Thunderworks. Looks like all code 3 lights. Code 3 makes nice lights but are VERY expensive compared to other companies.

[Randog]

Tony,

Santa Barbara PD, Santa Barbara, CA uses 07 STs. I saw one in the local shop for service. It was set up nice but they used the stock seat. The local dealer that provided the bikes is called Santa Barbara Motorsports and you can reacht them at www.santabarbaramotorsports.com

[O24]

tnman,

what crash bars did you order? can you send pictures how the bars mount. I've heard info that there is front/back support to hold the bike if all weight is placed on the bars.

Thanks O24

[tnman]

The Fronts I got from Thunderworks because theirs happens to be made to hold the exact equipment we are using and the rears are MC Enterprise. Most agencies are just using MC Enterprise for front and rear. The Thunderworks ones are rare.

[O24]

I've heard that MC Enterprise front bars will fold if the bike is downed at any speed 10 to 20 mph. Big concern for me, though I like the look of front bars and the option of installing equipment.

I spoke with Adam at Thunderworks and he was going to be sending me pics, and mounting info on there bars. I see the Thunderworks bars ar angled and use the wing guard for lower support.

tnman let know what install is like.

Thanks

[tnman]

I installed the rear MC Enterprise bars on my own - they were fairly easy with just a few minor issues. You would think 3 bolts and nothing to to remove from the bike would be simple but it wasn't a cake walk. Had to grind down part of the crash bar as it was about 1/32 too thick.

To the front...

I went to install the front ones and decided that I was not going to tackle it myself. I researched and found the lower install woul be easy as it mounts to the "wing" but the top part requires the removal of the fairing and that was a bit more than I wanted to do. I decided to take it back to the dealership yesterday and have them install it. I go to motorschool on Monday so I will see how they hold up and protect the rest of the bike.

[O24]

Great, send pics if you get a chance. Is the rear bars the full set that goes around the entire bike?

On the front bars I'm worried about put the bike down at slow speeds and the bars folding up on me and the bike.

[tnman]

The back ones are the small ones that bolt on to the rear footpeg slot.

I will let you know how the front ones hold up as school starts on Monday - Im sure I will drop it at lease once or twice :eek:

[O24]

tnman,

How is the bike holding up at motor school? Which risers did you buy for the bike? I saw that Heli makes a police version that is 1" up and 2 1/2" back.

Thanks

[tnman]

Bike came with Factory risers. Engine guards are holding up. The bike always hits on the black plastic wing first so the engine guards just keep it fro rotating farther. The Thunderworks guards are not very rigid, they flex a lot. I had to pull the one on the left side away from the faring once. I think the MC Ent. ones are stronger.

[O24]

thanks for the information, Keep the wheels down and ride safe:policeST:

[sulley]

Have you guys stateside had any problem with the "Pan Wobble"? We had two STX1300s at work but have had them replaced with two BMWs due to the wobble.

I'm hoping to get my course in by the end of the year and be on the team by Christmas! :policeST:

[tnman]

The only ones that talk about the wobble are all overseas. No one here in the states talks about it and many have no clue that the wobble even exists. Of course ours are all chipped at 120MPH.

[sulley]

I wonder if it has anything to do with the kit we placed on the rear hump that gets installed??


First Pic is what we had, second what we now have!

[dwr954]

how do they comp. with all day use

[tnman]

The first is a Honda the seconf is a BMW... Apples and oranges

[MAC_JD]

Here is a link: http://kmg-365.smugmug.com/gallery/287915#11443671

and here are some photo's.

JD

[sulley]

One of the guys who used to ride a ST1100 has just rejoined the bike team and rode the BMW the other day. He said he still prefers the Pan!

[tnman]

I know BMW has issues with the dry clutch. I have also heard that the Honda clutch will not take near the abuse that Harley will. I hope Honda improves the clutch a little so the can compete better with the harley guys.

[O24]

tnman,

I got my bike on Friday and just rode it south to get outfitted. I notice the tires on my bike are different than the dunlops that are on our second St. I don't have the bike for refference but they appeared to be 80% solid rubber without rain groves or siping, very slippery. What tires are you running on? your bike.

[tnman]

Dunlop Sportmax D220.

The other agencies around hare are compalining about the tire saying you are lucky to get 2,000 - 3,000 miles out of the rear tire. They work alot of freeways though so they are doing alot of jackrabbit starts and stops. Thye claim the Metzer tire is the one to go with when the Dunlop goes.

Hard to compare stuff like that as they are very rider specific. I also know pepole that burnt up a clutch in a 3 day retrain to switch fram Kaw to Honda. I just completed the full 2 week school with no noticible clutch wear (from the lever).

[Y2KMagna]

FYI, I have that mount, and while it does work fine and seems to stay put, the only thing holding it on is two little M5 screws. Not really what I would choose for a "working" bike that could see a bit of abuse. For a RAM-ball mount, the Bike-Quip seems much stronger, as it uses M8 bolts (I also have that one).

Ciao,

We just finished our first radio install on an ST1300. The Motorola motorcycle
radio is made for BMWs and HDs. I had to fabricate a mount for the speaker/
control head assembly, to mount between the risers. This uses the Motorola
trunnion with out modification. I am still researching mounts.

I just looked at the bike-quip product. The idea of mounting a 5lb assembly
on the ball of these type mounts leaves me uneasy. I anticipate problems
with the ball mount coming loose, letting the radio impact the tank, and
possibly cause the rider to wreck. I used the two 8mm bolts as well, but
have made this mount as a solid mount, not adjustable at all.

[O24]

Y2KMagna,

I tried using the ram ball on the heli risers but the radio head wouldn't fit between the handle bars. We are having a company called Auto Additions install equipment on the bikes. They make a bracket that allows the radio head, speaker and mic to be mounted above the risers and still keeps the equipment low and out of view of the instruments. I woun't have pics until the end of next week. Auto Additions number is 877-455-6886. They can send pics. Auto Additions has installed police equipment on over 30 ST's.

[Y2KMagna]

O24..

Here's a picture taken from the seat of the bike. My objective was to keep
access to the ignition as clear as possible. The radio sits high, but does not
obstruct the instruments.

[tnman]

I am putting my L-3 Mobile vision camera where you have the radio. Will put the radio control head on the "dash" above the spedo. Speaker will go in fairing behind speaker grill. About the cleanest way to do it I think. Too much stuff to put on the bikes now days!

[Y2KMagna]

I am putting my L-3 Mobile vision camera where you have the radio. Will put the radio control head on the "dash" above the spedo. Speaker will go in fairing behind speaker grill. About the cleanest way to do it I think. Too much stuff to put on the bikes now days!

Speaker grill? I see two vents, but no grill. This is an '06 model.

[O24]

vents left and right of the instrument cluster are what others have been putting speakers behind. Very clean look and with a lot of agencys running camera systems it gets equipment ouf of view.

[TomStickler]

[QUOTE=sulley;327680]I wonder if it has anything to do with the kit we placed on the rear hump that gets installed??

With that blue light on the tall pole at the rear, it's no wonder you are having wobble problems.

Tom

[tnman]

vents left and right of the instrument cluster are what others have been putting speakers behind. Very clean look and with a lot of agencys running camera systems it gets equipment ouf of view.

That is what everyone around here is doing also. I have mine out getting the camera system installed. Radio will be next then lights - will post pictures once it is done.

[O24]

tnman,

Whats the cost for the L-3 system? I've been looking at DP2 Digital Patroller and it's going to be about $5700 before install.

[tnman]

tnman,

Whats the cost for the L-3 system? I've been looking at DP2 Digital Patroller and it's going to be about $5700 before install.

$5,295.00 for the complete system - they are charging $350 for instalation. We upgrade our to get the interface with radar and a crash sensor, those 2 features bump up the price about $600 I think. But the base complete unit is $5295.

[ST1300PA Mark]

Here is a link: http://kmg-365.smugmug.com/gallery/287915#11443671

and here are some photo's.

JD

JD... Any chance of getting some photo's of the top box mount? I've tried mounting mine on top of the light bracket, but I'm not happy with the stability of it.

[MAC_JD]

Those photos are form the Coronado Police Department. Try sending a PM to Islandcopp (Dave was a CPD Motor Officer), He took those photos and might be abvle to help.

JD

JD... Any chance of getting some photo's of the top box mount? I've tried mounting mine on top of the light bracket, but I'm not happy with the stability of it.

[MotorSam]

tnman,

Whats the cost for the L-3 system? I've been looking at DP2 Digital Patroller and it's going to be about $5700 before install.


Did you end up with the DP2? If so...HOW in the world did you get it installed?

[stovepipe]

I know BMW has issues with the dry clutch. I have also heard that the Honda clutch will not take near the abuse that Harley will. I hope Honda improves the clutch a little so the can compete better with the harley guys.

Curious about what you meant. Do you mean faster times?
Last Aug was the W.S.M.O.A meet in Elk Grove Cali.
HD had their Road Kings and Electra Glides. BMW 1150, 1200. Honda ST1300P.

The Honda's and Bmw's where just about neck and neck. The hd's ran anywhere from 5 to 10 sec slower. The ST’s practically ran circles around the Hds. No Joke. Roger Intorf who is a motor for Modesto PD, is the equivalent to Elvis in the ST motor community. I've yet to see a faster motor on the ST.
http://wsmoa.org/elk_grove/



(No, I'm not his brother) :D:D:D


My Vids :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCo5tlt5s8

[tnman]

Curious about what you meant. Do you mean faster times?
Last Aug was the W.S.M.O.A meet in Elk Grove Cali.
HD had their Road Kings and Electra Glides. BMW 1150, 1200. Honda ST1300P.

The Honda's and Bmw's where just about neck and neck. The hd's ran anywhere from 5 to 10 sec slower. The ST’s practically ran circles around the Hds. No Joke. Roger Intorf who is a motor for Modesto PD, is the equivalent to Elvis in the ST motor community. I've yet to see a faster motor on the ST.
http://wsmoa.org/elk_grove/



(No, I'm not his brother) :D:D:D


My Vids :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCo5tlt5s8

Here in N Texas Harley rules the most PD's. BMW is next and then Honda. I think Honda will pass BMW here before long.

What I was refering to with the clutch is the Harley will take a ton of abuse on the clutch. There has been a few agencies here trash a Honda clutch in the 2 week school and the same with the BMW. I know it is the rider not the bike but I have seen some Harleys go through courses wide open burning up the clutch and they survive, The Honda just does not have the ability to withstand that kind of abuse IMO. I am not talking about speed at all - everyone knows a HOnda BMW can out perform a Harley on any given day, refering to amount of abuse it can take without repair.

I believe the CA riders taht learn on the BMW learn to ride without a clutch on courses, I may be wrong but that is what I heard and one of the local BMW riders here said he learned from BMW to ride that way.

What Rodeos in CA are the big ones?

I would like to go out in the next year or 2 to compete but I want to make it worth my while and go to a large event with the best riders from the best agancies on Honda's?

Harleys all go to Baton Rouge or VA for the big events, just currious where the biggest Honda events are, I figure they have to be in CA as they have the most agencies on Honda's.

[Mellow]

Here in N Texas Harley rules the most PD's. BMW is next and then Honda. I think Honda will pass BMW here before long.

What I was refering to with the clutch is the Harley will take a ton of abuse on the clutch. There has been a few agencies here trash a Honda clutch in the 2 week school and the same with the BMW. I know it is the rider not the bike but I have seen some Harleys go through courses wide open burning up the clutch and they survive, The Honda just does not have the ability to withstand that kind of abuse IMO. I am not talking about speed at all - everyone knows a HOnda BMW can out perform a Harley on any given day, refering to amount of abuse it can take without repair.

I believe the CA riders taht learn on the BMW learn to ride without a clutch on courses, I may be wrong but that is what I heard and one of the local BMW riders here said he learned from BMW to ride that way.

What Rodeos in CA are the big ones?

I would like to go out in the next year or 2 to compete but I want to make it worth my while and go to a large event with the best riders from the best agancies on Honda's?

Harleys all go to Baton Rouge or VA for the big events, just currious where the biggest Honda events are, I figure they have to be in CA as they have the most agencies on Honda's.

I'm think I remember the AZ LEOs were also going through clutches during rodeos..

I'm wondering if the G2 Tamer Throttle Tube will decrease the abuse some, you guys would really benefit from this I think.

I wasn't able to attend the last Keller rodeo due to Moms B-day, when is the next one?

[stovepipe]

I believe the CA riders taht learn on the BMW learn to ride without a clutch on courses, I may be wrong but that is what I heard and one of the local BMW riders here said he learned from BMW to ride that way.
What Rodeos in CA are the big ones?

No. It's all clutch/friction control. That is the method being taught now at the E.V.O.C. schools. The trail braking method is becoming (old school) imo.
I have heard that some of the beemers do have some issues with the clutch due to it being a dry system. Not the case with the Hondas. The ST1300 is a wet clutch.
The last event I went to, it was the harleys that were stinking up the place i.e. brake noise, brake smell, clutch. e.t.c.
The Hondas did not succumb to any mechanical problem. At least that I'm aware of.
Don't get me wrong. Some of the hd drivers were blazing fast, highly skilled riders.
But as I said, the over all objective is about the one with the fastest time wins. And when you have a 10 sec + advantage, that could mean life of death in the real world.

Links to check from time to time. There should be an update after the first of the year for the new schedule.
That would be great to have a Texan constituency come up. I'm sure they would love to have you. :PoPoST1:
http://www.motorcops.com
http://www.bigbikeweekend.com
http://www.wsmoa.org/index.html

[MotorSam]

Slightly off the original topic (And rambling :rolleyes:), but being a NW certified instructor, yes it is all the rider. We teach clutch throttle brake control and the combination of all put together. We see some students catch on, while others struggle with the putting too much emphasis on either the clutch, brake, or throttle. Those that fine the sweet spot and balance of all 3 are awesome riders.:p:

Something that is interesting to watch are the guys that are converting from bikes with carbs to EFI. (Newer H-D's and of course the ST's and BMW's) With the advent of EFI, the crank of the throttle is not always needed. And speaking of throttle control...WHAT IS UP with these guys (LEO's or not) revving the throttle while sitting? Its EFI!!!! And they blame the bike for sputtering and fouling out??? :mad:

We can go through the course without the throttle on our H-D's. The low end torq carries it through. Some of my guys can actually do portions of the course with no brake, no throttle, no clutch!:cool:

Regarding the clutches...BMW has always "scared" :D my guys with the dry clutch as they are traditionally placing emphasis on the clutch during training. They feel the H-D and ST will hold up better. BUT it goes back to training-during a recent motor school for new officers, one recruit on a BMW did just fine. He was taught early not to ride the clutch, thus no clutch issues at all. And this guy had NEVER ridden a street bike before the school!!! And now of course my troops are also beginning to contridict themselves if they can manage getting through the course without a clutch at all!

Because we train with other agencies, they have oppourtunities to ride BMW and the ST. Still they think the ST is more likely to hold its own. What I keep hearing is that the linked brake system is throwing them off a bit. (I have not noticed it)

Change is hard and while my guys "like" the H-D (And are beginning to be more open-minded about an ST or two in the stable:D::policeST::D), they really miss the bullet proof KZ-1000. Talk about a clutch you could distroy and then literally pull out yourself, rough up the plates on the concrete, replace and resume play!

[KLRCraig]

Motorsam, I have some photo's of how I set-up our bikes, but the photos are to big to post here, I will try to re-size them.Can you send me a PM with an e-mail address..........Craig

[stovepipe]

they really miss the bullet proof KZ-1000. Talk about a clutch you could distroy and then literally pull out yourself, rough up the plates on the concrete, replace and resume play!

Excellent points!
However, at least one motor-school that I'm aware of will dismiss you after the second week if the rear brake is used when negotiating a slow course. So if you want to pass, the old saying "when in Rome".......comes into play.


+1 on the KZ1000P's
Hands down “most fun bike” I ever rode. And like you said motorsam You could beat that thing all day and it would still get you back to the barn. :D

[scouse]

I'm fed up I wanna ride a pan for work :04biker: Anyone taking on??

[Ray]

I had to replace the clutch on my ST at about 4500 miles. This was after the certification school. I now have 15,500 miles on it and no problems with the clutch.
I have had an issue with the battery. Been through 3 in one year. I have also had problems with the battery not charging sometimes. I don't shut it off during my traffic stops so it shouldn't be running down. It happened again the other day. After a traffic stop I stopped in a parking lot and shut everything off. When I attempted to start it the battery was dead. :mad: I had to get another officer to come give me a push again (a little embarasing since it was on Main Street). Once started I did not shut it off for a while and it took charge again. This only happens every now and then but it's still an issue. Anyone else having problems like this?

[KLRCraig]

Ray, you need to have an Oddseey 545 battery installed, I did this to all 18 of our 1300's..........Craig

[MotorSam]

Ray, you need to have an Oddseey 545 battery installed, I did this to all 18 of our 1300's..........Craig

Sorry to hear thar Ray...but try pushing a 800 plus H-D and 200 lbs rider:rolleyes:, Its hard to find many patrol officers who will do it more than once!:p:

Craig-I gather my question I sent you from work was answered here!

[motor2191]

I promise the Odyssey battery will cure the problem! You won't need the 545 if you have bike with lights and a radar only, you can get by with the 310 for that. You'll only need the 545 if you have a bike mounted radio to this. But, having a 545 you'll never ever need a jump, that's for sure!

[MotorSam]

:eek:I promise the Odyssey battery will cure the problem! You won't need the 545 if you have bike with lights and a radar only, you can get by with the 310 for that. You'll only need the 545 if you have a bike mounted radio to this. But, having a 545 you'll never ever need a jump, that's for sure!

Where's a good source for the 545? I have seen $$ from 109 to 299!!!:eek: