Anyone prefer NO risers?

[duSTy]

I put helibars on when I first got the bike with very little riding. I later switched to the GenMars from the Heli's and was wondering if I would like it better with none. Before I take a long trip without, I thought I would ask if anyone out there likes the stock setup or does EVERYONE use a riser?

Tom

[Clark]

Tom,

At least one person doesn't use a riser. (me.) I'd actually prefer a little more reach to the bars, rather than a more upright position. (not enough to worry about, though.)

[eddiemack]

I don't use risers either. I like how the bike handles out of the crate.

[Pred8tor]

I can't say I prefer the stock over the risers - but I'm still using stock for a while to see how I adjust before getting risers. I wish someone around here had risers on their 1300 for me to evaluate.

[Rob Hephner]

No risers here!

[Bones]

Riserless.

[Killtimer]

No risers here

[NormanPCN]

No risers here. I would bet there are more people not using risers than are using risers.

[GRN]

I always thought I prefered the reach... for all the obvious reasons, but with some scepticism I ordered a pair to check it out. Turns out I just simply didn't know any better... I can't believe the difference, wish I had put one of these on my 91 ST11, with my weight further off the bars I'm far more comfortable, and I find the bike far more responsive in quick, hard transitions side to side... I would encourage folks who have not tried them to ride a bike with them if the chance presents itself - you maybe really surprised, I certainly was... all good.

[tccox]

No risers here nor will there ever be any. I bought a sport touring bike. I LOVE the stock riding position. If I'd wanted a Goldwing I would have bought a Wing.

[Killtimer]

No risers here. I would bet there are more people not using risers than are using risers.

It's interesting to note the lack of risers, aftermarket saddles and aftermarket screens when you get a few hundred ST's (11's and 13's) together at something like WeSToc. While some bikes might have one of the three, the number that have all three is in the minority, mostly the dedicated LD crowd.

[nickanthony]

Tom,

I just installed Heli risers and like the change in reach, but do not like the angle change. Do you like the GenMars better than the helis?

[Mark]

1986 miles in 2 days on Chris's ST1300 without risers when I picked it up 2 weeks ago. I will not be buying risers for it
I just pulled the PO installed HeliBars off my ST1100 yesterday and did 200 miles. The Helibars will be sold after I clean them up (sand and paint).

Mark

[Ken]

I use the MCL risers and love them. For my body, the posture with the risers is more comfortable and alleviates shoulder discomfort. It must be an arm length thing. It definitely isn't a problem with core body strength - I run daily and do the daily ab/crunch workout routine.

[Kennedy]

Right out of the box Honda for me.

[STPilot]

No risers. 6'3 tall. Looong arms :rolleyes:

[AgSTreak]

Now that I've installed the windshield kit and the back pressure is gone with the shield all the way down, I'm thinking of trying my ST without the MCL risers again. If I like it that way there may be another set up for sale. That will have to wait till after NeSTOC. :D

[The Highwayman]

No risers here, I've never tried risers, but I can't imagine the location being any better for me than stock. Previous bikes I'd often cruise with only the right hand on the bars to relax the shoulders, etc. I find with the ST13 I almost never take my hands off the bars. If I were to mount the bike and close my eyes the bars are exactly where my arms want them to be....but I have long arms and torso.

[mageerc]

I use no risers on my bike... it seems to be a trade off on pain for me. Without the risers, I get alittle stiffness between my shoulders but it improves a little with time in the saddle and concentrating on supporting myself more with my abs rather than with my arms. With a more upright position my lower back gets more strain and I prefer to ache a little between my shoulders than in my lower back... hence no risers for me...

[tccox]

It ain't no goldwing dude... if you haven't tried them, then you don't know, just leave it at that. I was you 'til I tried 'um... my last 2 bikes were a 91 ST11 and a 1998 Ducati 900SS/CR... so, I'm not the likely candidate, and I love them. If anything, they improve the "sport" handling IMO... but it's very subjective I suppose. If you define sport by how far forward your weight falls in relation to the geometry of the bike, you're likely to pass over pleanty of fine rides man.

Dude,,

I've set on bikes with them. They suck. Improve the sport handling ???? Well last time I attended a road race I do not believe I saw any of the bikes equipped with risers. Sorry , I aint a buying that. Guess if you think really sitting upright improves handling your typical cruiser is really gonna blow our ST off in the curves.

Ok ,,, "Dude"

[JoeC]

I don't use risers either. Coming from cruisers, I don't mind the upright riding position, but since moving to a Z1000 and now the ST, I prefer the ST's riding position over that of a cruiser, gives me that sport bike feeling. Maybe as I get OLDER, I'll put some on :D


joe

[nm6r]

"No risers here nor will there ever be any. I bought a sport touring bike. I LOVE the stock riding position. If I'd wanted a Goldwing I would have bought a Wing."

I think the above statement sums it up well.

Risers can also be counterproductive. Changing the riding position creates wind noise and buffetting that is otherwise not there. It also distributes your weight straight down on your butt which creates saddle soreness sooner.

I find the stock riding position on the ST1300 very comfortable. I originally had sore wrists and shoulder blades on my ST1100 before I learned to relax my arms.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[dond]

No risers.

[Putt]

No risers.. Ride with the shield all the way down... Stock seat...
Stock bars feel fine, (5'11") slight lean forward is great, takes
some of the shock outta the bumps... Love the feel of the wind,
helps to "push" you back a bit. Use a full face helmet with the visor just cracked a bit for airflow (keeps the bugs out). Stock seat.. Butt gets a bit sore after 150 miles or so, but never gets any sorer, have had quite a few 300/600 mile days with no apprehension of climbing back in the saddle the next day (knees are another story, but the STeed STicks may solve that).
Aftermarket seat... Yeah, maybe a Russell....

Putt...

[duSTy]

Tom,

I just installed Heli risers and like the change in reach, but do not like the angle change. Do you like the GenMars better than the helis?

I didn't like the angle of the Heli's. It made my hands hurt as they were placed crossways across the grips. Don't know how else to describe it. I put on the GenMars and like it better.

I just took a 560 mile trip one way to the Black Hills. My new Sargent was great, but I had pain in my upper back. I wiggled, moved, slumped, sat upright, leaned forward, used one arm, etc, to try to relieve the pain, but not much helped for long. I came from a Goldwing so am familiar with the upright ride. I went to this a I wanted something better in the curves (although I have about 100 miles of straight roads to find one) and I wanted something smaller and cheaper then the GW. My wife has an FJR and it is really fun to drive, so I wanted something like that, but it didn't seem to fit me as well. When riding through the curves, I don't seem to get too sore, but those long hours sitting going straight are tough on my back.

I think the stock seat made me really hate the bike without the risers, so maybe it will make a difference now. I'm also considering a backrest as I really liked on on my GW, but don't know if it will even make a difference or not.

There was a mention in these posts about a different windshield making a difference in the back pressure. I now have a CalSci and it is much better for that also. That might also make a big difference.

Thanks for the many posts. I guess I'll just have to take them off and see. The GenMars aren't as hard to take on and off as the Heli's. I have two sets of risers on my wife's FJR and it sits back much better than mine, but I don't think I can do this on the ST. Maybe I won't need to.

Tom

[Carl_T]

My-my, a small bit of emotional stuff here with a few eh? Sportbike, Tourer, Gold Wing, Cruiser... wow... those 2 inches have grown to 2 feet in the imagination of some, as though it is "apehanger" additions that are being offered up. I rode with the stock bars for a bit, and since I'm a very old ancient geezer type, I turned up with a bit of a long distance neck issue especially with the windshield up all the way (since I haven't gotten around to addressing the windshield back pressure issue yet).

I decided to try risers and change the few inches (look at a ruler guys who feel it creates a "different machine entirely" and hold your forefinger and thumb at a 2 inch spread, it's a very small difference). While I am quite less than thrilled with the change in bar angle/wrist alignment, the tiny bity change in seating angle did surprisingly end up removing the neck issue (and thankfully did not add a wrist issue for me). It was certainly not a significant enough change to come near sitting anyone on their spine, create a touring bike-gold wing-cruiser, or whatever else non riser users nightmares may imagine.

Most certainly it changed my body position exactly ZERO, thats 000.000000000% in the turns since one of the parts of my “turning body position” is leaning my upper body forward some for them anyway. My arm bends an extra inch or two, but since there's no weight applied to the bars, it hasn't altered the handling and hasn't been a comfort or control issue while turning in any way. The ST is a light enough steering bike, the change in arm angle is not problematic for steering leverage (for my length arms).

At this point if I want to have the windshield down (my solo preferred position) and lean forward in the straights that little bar riser change does nothing whatever to stop me, since you should not be leaning weight on the bars straight arm in the straights anyway. However, if I am relaxing and want a minor more upright change while (gasp) touring along on a straight betwixt the curvy roads, that tiny extra gap seems to personally offer me better neck comfort.

I will add that I have arms that are a somewhat short for my height which is not all that tall either at 5' 9", though I'm not a candidate for Hobbit status yet.

For a rider with a bit shorter arms that infinitesimal change in reach may be just the straw that "made" the camels back do OK on resting straights. It also clears the tank a few whiskers more in full lock turns with the risers on, though the bars go more towards the center a few degrees (I don’t think any of the riser companies have a really “proper” bar angle and position dialed in yet, nor will they likely care to go the extra mile to do so).

Certainly adding a riser should remain known as a sensible “possible” option for those with body issues with the stock setup. Something worth trying if you have the need kind of thing.

It’s strongly laughable to add a stigma and think the use of them would create a touring position and abstaining will make you a sport bike rider. The body is still fully capable of flexing forward the required amount for sporty work, and those with body fit issues will have a degree or two more rearward angle, if needed by the rider for individual reasons.

If you have issues and think they may help, try them. Sell them if they don't help your individual situation, and smile if they do.

[Jeff F]

Don't have `em.

The fit of the bike is fine, but I'm curious about how they'd change the ride for me.

[Bribak]

Hi all,

I started out riserless (I guess we all do, don't we). But I'm very long legged and wanted to use the seat in the highest position (which also is the farthest back position) - which resulted in quite a stretch to the grips. I also bought a Russell seat that I requested be made even taller than their normal tall. So...with all these factors, I found myself leaning more on my wrists than I wanted - which necessitated putting my seat down in the middle position - which would start cramping my knees after about an hour. Also, carrying more weight on my wrists, IMHO, actually gave me less feedback from the bars. So I just bought some MCL risers and couldn't be happier with them. I have the seat in the highest position now - legs, wrists, arms, and back feel wonderful. And I still have a slight forward lean and my legs carry some of my weight.
I like to ride very sporty in the twisties. I don't feel this has slowed me down in the curves at all. My arms and shoulders are more relaxed and sensitive to the input coming through the bars. For me, the lighter touch gives me better control. If these risers had resulted in a loss of the sport aspect of this bike, they'd already be gone. I think whether they will work for an individual is largely based on the rider's build. For me, the change has all been positive. YMMV.

Brian

[Ken]

Very well put Carl - after reading the debate banter here, you summed up my thoughts perfectly. 2" ape hangers! ROFL :)

[Don-STOC237]

Several interesting points have been made here.

Personally, I think riding is supposed to be fun, and you can't have fun if you're in pain. So you ought to do what makes you comfortable.

Having said that, I offer the following humble advice, based on almost 10 years and well over 100,000 miles of riding ST1100's:

The ergo points of the bike affect you and each affect the other. I've seen a lot of people struggle with changes in the three things that affect ergos, i.e. seat, bars, and windscreen. The windscreen issue has been eliminated with the st1300, making this easier.)

So, for new riders, I'd offer this:

First, ride the bike stock for at least a few thousand miles, including at least one multi-day ride. Try to learn to ride the bike properly. This means never ever ever locking your elbows, and keeping a proper head/body position. You should ride with your head at a natural position to your body, not cocked back. Your eyes are up, not your head. Relax on the bike and let your stomach and leg muscles do the work. Try to ride a lot at first with just one hand, this will help train you to relax, and you can't lock just one elbow on the bike.

If, after doing this, you still can't live with the position, then make the changes in the following order, repeating the riding/training exercise with each change to see if you are done changing or not.

1st: the seat. Changing out the seat will change your reach to the bars, and your leg length to the ground and to the pegs. It will also change the windscreen height in relation to your helmet. Always change the seat first.

(This is where I stopped. I couldn't handle the stock seat, but the stock bars and windscreen suit me just fine).

Next, if you still need it, the bar height or angle. By changing the bar height or angle, you will change the relationship of your helmet to the windscreen.

So, after more riding/testing, if you still need it, change the windscreen height. (not an issue for the st1300).

Good Luck!

Don...

[EdsST]

No Risers here - 6'2" and I like the stock sitting position - I will admit it took some getting used to after coming off a Wing

[jackpine savage]

Several interesting points have been made here....


...
So, after more riding/testing, if you still need it, change the windscreen height. (not an issue for the st1300).

Don...


Don, excellent advice.

I will take some exception to the above statement. I find the stock 1300 shield is about 2" too tall in the down position where I like to ride most of the time. This causes the wind blast to hit my helmet/face shield directly making the wind noise almost unbearable. It's too loud even with earplugs. I find if I sit more upright so that my head is 2-3" higher the windblast hits more at my neck and the noise is significantly decreased. A lower windshield or lower mounting point would make the ride much more comfortable and still move high enough to be just under eye level in the full up position.
David

[sokay]

If the rider is in the right size range, whatever that might be but 5'9" and slim is in there, then Honda made the ergos perfect and risers would be a silly thing to do. I cannot think of any other position, even prone in bed, that would leave my back as rested and comfortable after a full day as the ST's setup. That would be my 2c. :)

[Don-STOC237]

Don, excellent advice.

I will take some exception to the above statement. I find the stock 1300 shield is about 2" too tall in the down position where I like to ride most of the time. This causes the wind blast to hit my helmet/face shield directly making the wind noise almost unbearable. It's too loud even with earplugs. I find if I sit more upright so that my head is 2-3" higher the windblast hits more at my neck and the noise is significantly decreased. A lower windshield or lower mounting point would make the ride much more comfortable and still move high enough to be just under eye level in the full up position.
David

Sounds like you're a candidate for a cutdown or shorter windscreen.

I'll modify my original statement to:

"This is less of an issue on the ST1300." instead of "not an issue."

But the original advice still holds true. If you do the mods in the order stated in my original post, you'll have less problems with the ergo modifications needing to be re-done. I've seen people modify the windscreen or bar height first, then the seat. The seat changes the WS or bar requirements, so then they have to change them again, etc. Can be very frustrating.

Thanks for the update, my knowledge of the 1300 increases every day. :D

Don...

[jackpine savage]

Sounds like you're a candidate for a cutdown or shorter windscreen.

I'll modify my original statement to:

"This is less of an issue on the ST1300." instead of "not an issue."
...
Thanks for the update, my knowledge of the 1300 increases every day. :D

Don...

Sorry Don, my reply was mostly nitpicking. But that's what we do here. :D It shouldn't take away from the great post.

Yes, a shorter windshield would be the obvious acquisition, but I'll probably just complain about it for another year. :o:
Dave

[Dave Wicks]

:04biker:

I have no risers...would only put them on to help deal with wind issue for passenger..get me more upright and sligthly closer to passenger. I find I'm comfortable as long as I keep my Cee Bailey down...I have seat up one notch in front and the bottom at back...I find when I get into curves I flatten out on bike..then from this hunkered down position lean which ever way off bike..I find with bikes with higher bars...can't do it...doesn't feel natural..On the long straight stuff I'll take left hand off, put it on hip...ride like that for a ways for a break...I think I'll leave it stock, try to fight wind other ways.. :D

[Doobage]

Hi guys,
I'll be getting a new ST13 '03 on July 1rst and it's been modified already. It has the Larry risers, and lowered pegs (the previous/current rider is 6' 6") I'm about 6' 1". Since I am flying into Dallas to pick it up and then driving it back to Houston, should I worry about trying to reset it to "stock", or simply leave it alone and ride it in it's current configuration?

I've only "sat" on the FJR, which made me feel that a "long" ride would put me on the bars too much (leaning forward). Yet when I sat on a new Stock '05 ST, I could close my eyes, sit down and place my hands where I "thought" they should be, and low-and-behold, the handle bars were right where I expected them to be. It felt very natural. So is it going to feel overly strange to have lowered pegs (1.5") and risers? Or can I reclaim the stock feeling simply by lowering the seat (which is where I think it currently is)?

Once I get it home, I can certainly hack away on it, but I'd rather not want to fly up with tools if I don't have to.

Thanks for any WOTL.

[GRN]

I'm sure it will ride fine for you... make sure you get the factory plate for the bars that was removed to install the MCL unit so you have the option to change back if desired... otherwise it's likely to cost you more for the OEM part than the 3rd party part. Ex. ... factory shield costs over $400 to replace, when 3rd party costs $150-200. Ouch :eek:

Good luck and enjoy man!

[kgeisinger]

I put on Helibars and LOVE them!

Kurt

:biker:

[Carl_T]

Doobage, You might consider trying to get the stock pegs from the owner as well. The ST pegs are already close enough to the ground for a bike that corners as well as this one. I know it would bother me very much to touch pegs down an inch and a half sooner due to lower pegs.

[jackpine savage]

Doobage, You might consider trying to get the stock pegs from the owner as well. The ST pegs are already close enough to the ground for a bike that corners as well as this one. I know it would bother me very much to touch pegs down an inch and a half sooner due to lower pegs.

Here's a recent post that should solidify Carl's message.

http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3300&highlight=footpegs

David

[AZST]

Riserless.

--Bryan
04ST1300A
STOC# 5197
:04biker:

[duSTy]

Ok, let me ask this another way. Anyone tried risers, then preferred riding without them?

I have been doing some short run testing without mine, so far so good. I found I don't like my Sargent in the lower or top position. Just the middle. I've also heard people talk about keeping the elbows in, others have said to ride with elbows up, so I'm just experimenting. I know my hands start to hurt if I ride in town too much. I guess I stop too quickly and it puts a lot of pressure on them. It is better now that I don't have the angle of the helis.

Tom

[duSTy]

Just a followup. I went on a couple rides without risers on and after some pretty sore neck muscles, I put the genmars back on. Thanks for everyone's input. It was worth a try.

Tom

[Carl_T]

Thanks for the feedback Tom :)

[dmcox]

I would not use risers,no way, but would think about lowers. Are there any out there.

[nm6r]

I like the position as is but just a bit lower might even be better. I haven't been able to find a way of achieving this.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

[EASt]

I'm a stock rider...saddle, bars, everything. I love the way I sit on the ST right out of the box.

This thread should be a poll....

[dduelin]

No risers for me. I liked the stock ergos from day one.

I rode 920 miles this weekend and 11,200 miles on my 1300 since I got it in February this year. It's a comfortable bike for me out of the box and I am rather short - 5'7" with a 30" inseam.

[bobsblu]

the day I picked up Blu, I went on a 4k trip with a friend who has a FJR. I did not have the risers. After getting home, I ordered MCL's bar risers and tried it for 100 miles. I did not like it. I tried to exchange with Larry (30 day satisfaction?) for the larger risers, but he said that he would only take them back if they were defective. I have the brace and his blades and think they are great. I have the one inch risers on ebay right now and will get about half of what I paid for them to use for an hour and a half.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4648175211&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

I can understand the policy but it is a bit misleading.

I will probably not get risers at all

[kevinkrumnow]

No Risers

:biker:

[Rob Hephner]

I just added this info FYI

http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13380

[EagleSix]

I put the MCL plate 1" Up/2" Back on my ST when I had about 800 miles. I was about to take it off when I sold it. I think the stock position is better for me and would even vote for a little lower. I'm kind of short 5'8", slim build and like the more sportbike lean forward. The 1" Up didn't bother me as much as the change in the angle of the grips.
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[Mongo]

No risers here, I have long arms and can move from straight up to a sportier lean with the stock bars. For that matter I like the stock seat, bars and shield. Everybody is different, and should change their bike to suit them/riding style. my .02

[BigTom]

Thanks Carl and Don for distilling the issues. I have about 7000 mi on my ST1100. Came with a Corbin seat, and a huge windscreen. It had been damaged, so I cut it down before I rode it much (like 20 miles). After another 500mi or so, I cut it again. High speed wind hits me on top of the helmet, I can look over with ease, but can also hunker into a rain if needed.

I haven't put risers on, but I am pretty sure I will. I get the dreaded 'neck/shoulder' pain on long rides. I am 6'4" with long arms and legs. I considered the 'peg lowers', but, like Carl, can't even think of giving up 11/2" of clearance. I can tuck my legs behind the fairing comfortably, and have enough wiggle room to move around a little in the saddle. I think the 1 1/2" in up on the bars would help my neck and shoulder 'issue', and give me a little room to adjust the bar angle. I have a tendency to 'go long', comfort on the long ride is a concern. When I get to the twisties, I can (do) lean into them to get my weight over or forward of center. Most twisty roads that I ride on aren't over about 50 miles at a stretch, I can take that amount of time and distance with some discomfort.

BTW, I have found a stretch that I like for the shoulder pain. I reach back with my left hand, grasp the passenger rail, and pull. Two or three of those with each hand and I seem to stretch back out. Keeps me in the saddle for 200-250 mi. I will also ride with my feet on the passenger pegs for a mile or two, to change the position. Eases the butt pucker.

[jbim]

NO risers. I like the position of the stock ST. I did quite a bit of cycling when I was younger. The ST is more upright than any of my pedal bikes. Very comfortable.

[ironox]

At 5'11", 30 " inseam, 33" sleeve length, and 3 degenerating discs in my lower back, I find that risers (Heli bars) place my weight to far back on my butt. This places my lower back at a poor angle, which adds to my back problem and butt discomfort. With the stock seat and stock bars, I feel I'm at a much better angle and body alignment thus providing relief and more long distance comfort.

[UNTMatt]

Ok, let me ask this another way. Anyone tried risers, then preferred riding without them?

Tom


Mine are stock and will stay that way. :06biker:

[Jim C-G]

I'm 6'4" with long arms and long legs. After the first 2,000 kilometers I really felt that long days would do me in - I love the seating stock for the ride to work, but I have a number of longer rides planned. I did get the MCL riser plate and both the rider and passenger peg lowerers. Didn't change my ride in and out of town. I did 2 - 560 k/350 mile days this weekend and I feel very happy with my seating position. I did have a little transition to shifting and foot brake, but don't notice the difference now. I'm not aggressive enough to worry about clearance on the corners. My wife is very pleased with where her legs are now. We both have some knee issues. Everyone will be a little different - and your comfort solutions will be different - I raised my seat on the old CB750 by 2" - I seemed to be higher than SUV drivers!
Got a couple of 850 k/530 mile days coming up at the end of the month - looking forward to them.

[Horst]

no risers here ...

risers are for wimps ... :)

(ok, have thought about them ... :eek: )

but, decided I'm a Sport Tourer after all :D

(one day I may get a Wing .... shhhhh, be vewy vewy quiet .... )

We's a hunting Wabbit :D

[Magna]

Don't think I want risers, seems it would put more weight on the tailbone.
Seems fine the way it is, but what do I know? I even like the stock windshield.
Magna

[willd]

quite comfy with no risers and the stock screen.

[Spencer]

5'-9" / 30" inseam and longish arms and torso for my height the stock riding position is perfect for me with the modd'd stock seat set on low.
For my wife @ 5'-5"/ 28" inseam with a cut down stock seat (no bumpers either) and thick soled boots the reach to the bars was uncomfortable for her.
The MCL 1" up and 3/4" back riser blocks put the bars back in the sweet spot.
The first rule for me is to be comfortable with and on your bike.
If my first thought was how much pain I was going to endure on a long ride
rather than how far I can go that day I think I would be looking to make adjustments.

Spencer

[Imrubicon]

Originally Posted by duSTy
Ok, let me ask this another way. Anyone tried risers, then preferred riding without them?

Tom



I've gone about 6K with the raisers includeing one 2500 mile trip a few weeks ago.
Im going back tonight without them . I will post back as my tailbone was hurting on that long ride though my back was fine ?
I will let ya know with a post later or maybe a new topic .
Nothing wrong just maybe I have enough reach to go wothout ?

[HankSTer]

Hear Hear to the no risers. No risers on either of my vfr's or the ST. Sure it's a little harder on the back and legs, but the ST was better then the VFR(s) which were better then the GSXR :eek: ;)

regards,,,

[jnsgardner]

Risers were the very first farkle bought. I got my STeed in Texas and rode it to San Diego. It didn't kill me, but I was used to a more upright position. Since then, I've got and Aeroflow screen that compliments the more upright position. I bought Heli's first, but hated the sweep back. I sold them here and went for Gen Mars. They provided the rise without the sweep back. I'm 61 with a 29" inseam and 5'9".

John

[NoBull]

can you get risors with less angle instead of more? I like the bar position, however the grip angle hurts after a few hundred miles. 1 " back with less angle would put them close to original with comfy angle. I used straight bars on previous bikes, like the grips parallel...

[ConqSoft]

I got risers for my ST right after I bought it because it seemed to be the "in" thing to do. :D Then I found that the upright seating position killed my back, so I went back to stock and love the slight-forward position that I have been used to from my sportbike past.

[gegundez]

Good thread. I personally would like triple risers with a LayZ-Boy recliner.

[TxStPilot]

no risers....hadnt decided if i even want any or not..
tsp

[st11ray]

No risers. When I bought mine I was fortunate enough to be able to test ride 2 '06's, one with Heli bars the other without. I'm 5'9" and I keep the stock seat in the highest setting in the front and the middle setting in the back this seems to work for me. The bike with risers felt too Goldwingish to me. I also ride with my windscreen all the way down unless it's raining, cold, or the wife is with me.

[killerST6]

I purchased a set of risers, I was having issues with my hands going to sleep after a 20min or more ride.

but I have really concentrated more about my position on the bike and I am not having as much of an issue of late.. I want to get a spencerization done to my seat, see how it goes then I will add or sell my untouched risers.

[hoolie]

No risers, but i do feel as if my hands are going numb after an hour or more on the 1300.

Will be looking into getting some though after reading all the above posts.

[XX 2 ST]

No Risers but I'd love a slightly forward bar end like my 2000 CBR1100XX that would relieve the stress on my wrists. Being 5'11" and 230 the BlackBird had the perfect positioning for me. Riding with a forward position my 05 ST’s stock bars put more pressure on the outside of my hands, which causes wrist pain.
I'd ride the XX but as you see below, the bars are mis-adjusted.

[yumajb]

No risers for me. I like the way it is, and I can spend more on other gadjets....

[STBNE]

I bought my '95 ST1100 with helibar risers already on the bike.I like them.I think if they had not been already there I would have bought them anyway.I just dont like alot of weight on my hands/forearms and I like the more upright position.I must be getting old... LOL

[Rob Hephner]

Hmm, I had no riders, but my Police Switch and paint required some.

I have the MCL Riser blocks now and like them.

[GRN]

I rode with the MCL block for most of two seasons. I liked it when it went on, but started to not like how far back the bars were (and the angle) as I got more dialed in and started working into more progressive body positioning for harder, more technical cornering. About the same time I started thinking about taking them off, I bought the Sprint, and put 600+ miles on it without even sitting on the ST13... and when I finally did, I really hated it, felt like I was throwing a leg over a snow blower. Off they came, and my relationship with the bike is much better for it.

[JimS]

Bike's approx. 6wks old, and when I first started riding (new rider), always felt like I was falling forward. After ~3k miles tuned into a better ride position, straightened my back and became more relaxed, but even the best ride I was numb w/MB after 30 minutes, ready to take a break.

So last week installed the Heli Bars, and easily rode 300+ miles with only a few breaks (MUCH better seat comfort). I'm able to sit back a little further which I attribute to the improvement. BUT, it is definitely more sensitive in the twisties, and I feel like I'm re-learning the bike. I'm 6'2" and seat height on high setting.

So right now, I'm a happy camper with the Heli's. :D Time will tell whether the twisties will ever be the same. But time well spent for sure. :)

Jim

[MARCUS ST1100]

I like mine stock,I have a longer torso
Marcus
2000 ST1100

[Rob Hephner]

I rode with the MCL block for most of two seasons. I liked it when it went on, but started to not like how far back the bars were (and the angle) as I got more dialed in and started working into more progressive body positioning for harder, more technical cornering. About the same time I started thinking about taking them off, I bought the Sprint, and put 600+ miles on it without even sitting on the ST13... and when I finally did, I really hated it, felt like I was throwing a leg over a snow blower. Off they came, and my relationship with the bike is much better for it.

You are talking about the MCL riser plate (single piece,) not the blocks (two pieces)...right?

[kevin2849]

I started off using the risers but found too much flex in the steering with them. I removed them and have since 'hard-mounted' my handlebars. I thought I would need them because of an old hip injury but found I felt more in control without them.

[PizzaHog]

No risers. I like the forward angle, 'cause my back doesn't like to be vertical when on a bike (one of the reasons I went from a Strom to the ST). 6'1", long arms.

Now, if they had a "widener" instead of a "riser"...I might try that.

PH

[mitchnj]

Ok, let me ask this another way. Anyone tried risers, then preferred riding without them?

Tom

I rode first 2000 miles without risers, next 1000 miles with riser plate. For me using riders took the fun out of cornering. AS stated previously using abs and legs to hold a slight forward lean becomes more natural and comfortable over time.

[t-bone]

LESS RISERS

[Gti20vturbo]

I put helibars on when I first got the bike with very little riding. I later switched to the GenMars from the Heli's and was wondering if I would like it better with none. Before I take a long trip without, I thought I would ask if anyone out there likes the stock setup or does EVERYONE use a riser?

Tom

No risers for me, the stock bars are perfect. In fact I feel like I am pretty much sitting straight up, not sure I would like leaning back. :D

One set of risers I would like to have is peg risers! These darn pegs drag to easy. ;)

You know when you start changing things like this is causes a very expensive chain reaction right? You put on risers then you need a better seat because now there is more pressure on your butt, you get a better seat and now you need a better windscreen because you are sitting up more, now that you are sitting up more your knees tend to cramp so now you need peg lowers.......just say no to ergo mods!!

[Biker George]

ST1100 rider here...no risers.

I had been warned that I'd want them, but have never felt the need.

Regards,

-Geo

[patiodadio]

No risers here.... I like the fit of the bars as is.

[ligito]

I like the position as is but just a bit lower might even be better. I haven't been able to find a way of achieving this.

Ray
http://www.frontiernet.net/~st1300rider/smile04Bikerwheelie.gif

A 6 inch grinder?:04biker: :D

[johnSTamela]

After 1 year with, I took off the risers PO had installed. Been without for almost a year, barely even noticed.

[Highrider]

I tried Heli's for 1 year, then went back to stock, have had no risers for the last 18 months. I have RA so position and comfort is important for me. The stock bars suit me fine.

[MARCUS ST1100]

Riserless in Seattle...I'm 6'-2" and have a long torso and the ST1100 has a upright position..and I think it's perfect for me,If it's too upright at speeds I will be hanging on from the wind I prefer a little forward lean but not so far that I can't take one hand off the bar without fully supporting my weight with the other hand also like to tuck down at speeds, I have a Laminar Cafe sheild. I had back pressure with the stock sheild

[FLSTRDR]

Stock for me

[dreddd2000]

The South may rise again, but my bars have never risen. :)

[ligito]

6'2" 32 inseam, long torso.
Heli risers, Russell seat, AeroQuip windshield.
Without the risers, my lower back and upper shoulders hurt a lot.:04biker:

Quote
"My wife is very pleased with where her legs are now."

At the bottom of her torso?

[Buzz]

You know when you start changing things like this is causes a very expensive chain reaction right? You put on risers then you need a better seat because now there is more pressure on your butt, you get a better seat and now you need a better windscreen because you are sitting up more, now that you are sitting up more your knees tend to cramp so now you need peg lowers.......just say no to ergo mods!!

At least no ergo mods until (many) thousands of miles of riding. Give the stock ergos a good try first. It may take some time to develop a comfortable sport touring riding position and some unused muscle groups. Took me the first summer of riding to do this and sort out my wrist and shoulder issues. Then last summer I had no aches or pain and rode daily for months.

Found out I'm fine with Stock Bars, Seat and Windscreen. :)

[sandy]

None for me because my arms muST be as long as my legs.....LOL !!

[EASt]

Stock bars, stock seat, stock windshield. I'm pretty comfy. Well, comfy enough that I don't feel the need to spend more money anyhow.

This thread should've been a poll.

[c-lapier]

I went to the Honda Hoot in '06, saw more St's in one place than ever before, and a large majority of the bikes I saw didn't have risers.

[yumajb]

No risers here...Stock seat, stock windsreen. I did not want to buy a fast couch.

[Two Brothers]

No Risers

[STJockey]

Sans risers here.

[vstromrider]

Pinched nerve in my neck . have to use risers. Im 6'0 and have long upper body. Probably would use risers even if my neck didnt bother me. dont want a gold wing and dont want to ride with any 1 who insults me because I use risers.

In fact I wonder if any 1 else has found a way to use double risers....
I would like to try them.especially if it will piss off any 1 who thinks risers are from the devil..

[Luis Vargas]

No risers here. Hey' it's a motorcylce' if I wanted to be super comfy I would drive my cage.

[dellwood33]

Gen Mar risers here - if just to make the rear view mirrors useable.:)

[Imrubicon]

I had the raisers from MCL and rode out west on a 5 day run to nowhere (it was great ).
When I got back I thought why not try them without .
three months later and a few couple hundred mile trips later I sold them online here.
Just found I didnt need them just needed to break me in on the bike.
A loose grip on the bars seemed to help the most .
JMHO

[Keith T.]

"Just found I didnt need them just needed to break me in on the bike".

No risers for me and also stock seat. I'll admit that after the first long ride I had a sore back. The stock seat was also uncomfortable in the beginning. However, the more I rode, the more I (and the stock seat) became conditioned. The bike and I now fit like a glove!:06biker:

[patiodadio]

I must be the average guy Honda built the bike for. Everything seems to fit me just fine...I like the way the bars feel and the seat is comfy, the windscreen works great and I leave it in the lowest position unless its raining :) I guess I am just lucky that the bike works so well for me stock :D My BMW has an Aeroflow windscreen and a Corbin seat. If you need farkles to make a bike work for you thats fine.... The ST was great right out of the box for me :D

[Rick T.]

I have sat on ST's with riser's.Don't like it. Can I lower them 1 inch from stock? I'm stoppin some where every 100 miles anyway.

[patiodadio]

Has anyone ever lowered the Bars ?

[preacherbo]

At 5'8" and a 32" reach, the stock configuration is too much reach and lean. I have a MCL riser plate and that makes the position bearable. I hope I get used to it. Coming from the cruiser section of the cycle world, I'm used to a very upright relaxed position. I purchased the ST with touring in mind. Will probably do very little "sport riding" outside of just enjoying the excelleration.

If I was 6'3" it would probably be a lot different.:04biker:

[cubeblock]

My bike is entirely stock and I can't see it changing any time soon but I am 6'4

[AugFern]

Stock works great -36.5" arms! Do drag my knuckles now and then.

[Routemeister]

I don't use risers and would prefer a lower bar, but my first bike is a VFR and I'm use the wind on the chest to balance the forward lean. I've also modified the ST1300 windshield so that when it's in the lowest position, it nearly touches the instrument cowling and delivers a steady blast of air to my chest, much like the VFR. I'm 5-11 with a 32" inseam and normal length arms. I've owned a Goldwing, experienced the sit up straight driving position and it simply doesn't work for me.
Regards, Routemeister
STOC# 840

[George]

I always thought I prefered the reach... for all the obvious reasons, but with some scepticism I ordered a pair to check it out. Turns out I just simply didn't know any better... I can't believe the difference, wish I had put one of these on my 91 ST11, with my weight further off the bars I'm far more comfortable, and I find the bike far more responsive in quick, hard transitions side to side... I would encourage folks who have not tried them to ride a bike with them if the chance presents itself - you maybe really surprised, I certainly was... all good.

What you said! ReSTored has risers, inherited from Adam K. Pretty comfortable (along with the Spencer seat mod) for the long haul. Gold Wing like. The work great for parking lot maneuvers, too. Lots of leverage, upright seating.

STick has _lower_ bars (old 7/8" thick wall chrome, OEM Triumph Bonneville.) Great for the real twisty bits, not so much for either end of the possibilities.