Oil Filters?

[Daryl]

Hmmm,

The PureONE PL14610 that is so highly praised by numerous boards is not recomended by Purolator for the ST1300? :confused:

"According to Purolator's original equipment records, the 2003 Honda ST1300 motorcycle requires a Honda original equipment oil filter numbered 15441-MCJ-000. At the present time, Purolator does not have an aftermarket oil filter that it can recommend as a replacement for this Honda original equipment part.

Tom (Filter Hot Line)"

:03biker:

[stg1]

Use the OEM filter during warranty. Less of a hassle if you have an engine problem under warranty.

[NormanPCN]

There is nothing substandard about the OEM filter and I have not seen anyone say it was. It is a "standard" filter which means the filtration particle size and more importantly the efficiency are typical. The PureOne media filters smaller at greater efficiency than standard filter media. Most filter manufactures will not disclose their efficieny numbers. Don't know about you but that says something to me.

People anal about their vehicle gravitate towards things like this. The fact the Purolatar basically ignores motorcycles means they do not list bike applications.

Even if Purolator did spec honda motorcycles the filter that would match would be the PL14612 not the PL14610. The 14610 is a longer filter than OEM. The 14612 is the same length as the OEM filter.

[Pred8tor]

I'm no filter expert, but there's more to filter choice than dimensions alone. The filter bypass valve can be critical, as different engines require different bypass valve strengths.

I've also seen debates regarding increased oil flow versus increased filtration. Too much filtration can reduce flow, etc.

It seems to me if there's no reports of problems with the oem filter, then that's a safe bet. At least until another filter manufacturer specifies that their filter will meet Honda specs.

[Horst]

This is usually a case of someone trying to save a couple of bucks ... on a 1st class machine worth thousands ! .... why ?

I also go with OEM, even though a Fram 6017A will fit my bike ... physical fit is no guarantee ... the internal valve pressure, among other things, is. :biker:

[crazykz]

Ok I've been using the purolator filter because I thought it did a better job and more so because it fit the standard oil filter wrench. Guess I'll get the official filter wrench and OEM filters from now on.

Any chance the wrong filter can cause the clutch to slip? Seems unlikely.

Can't win with the oil, can't win with the filter.

Ugh.

Curt

[Kennedy]

I always use the Honda filter.

[Rob Hephner]

I am willing to bet that the ST uses a check valve filter, much like Honda 4-cylinder cars.

I will check the next time I get a new filter in hand.

Basically Honda has a filter that keeps oil in it so that on start up the sump pulls oil from the filter.

Here is an interesting thread...

http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters/index.shtml

[sherob]

I wish I would have kept that URL I had... it showed the Honda filter was actually a great filter... much better than Fram among others. :eek:

[jackpine savage]

This is usually a case of someone trying to save a couple of bucks ... on a 1st class machine worth thousands ! .... why ?



I agree. You can get the Honda filter online for about six bucks. At that price it's not worth the warrantee worry.
David

[Rob Hephner]

Oh, actually I would never use anything BUT the Honda OE filter. I have yet to find a better built fiter out there myself.

Engine builders design around two things. The oil filter and the spark plug, why anyone would use anything but what is OE always astounds me.

But hey, it is your bike!

[rwl1955]

Where do you get the filters for $6.00.

[Pred8tor]

Honda Direct Line

http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/

[Drew]

Seems that people are reading waaay too much into basic engine technology. For the most part oil filters are oil filters. Either they are constructed as poor quality, medium quality or superior quality.

The bypass valve is a non issue, it really doesn't matter if it opens up at 12lbs or 15lbs or 18lbs. The only time a filter will be bypassing if it is clogged by neglecting to change the oil regularly, or a thick oil in very cold temperature starting. Almost all quality filters have a anti-drainback valve (rubber flap).

There is no way that a quality filter like the Purolator PL14610 is going to hurt your engine.
I have been using this filter and Rotella 15w40 on my FZ1 with a 12000rpm redline for many miles with absolutly no problems as many sport bike riders are using. The ST is a slow reving engine by comparison.

Wally world for $6.00 Rotella and Pep Boys for 6.99 PL14610,change 3000 miles; repeat. Ride more worry less.

Drew

PS, Has anyone heard about any oil related problems on any ST1300?

[electrajoe]

"Purolator does not have an aftermarket oil filter that it can recommend as a replacement for this Honda original equipment part." They must have a reason.

Just pay the piper (Honda), it is less than a tank of gas.

[Highrider]

FYI - The oil filter for a Honda Insight will fit your ST and they are 1/2 the cost at the Honda car dealer than the Honda bike dealer. I have used both and see no difference in filter performance.

[Daryl]

My interest in a non OEM filter was not driven by cost, but a quest for better filter performance. :bow1:

It's the same motivation that drives almost all of the upgrades we do to our bikes.

If cost was driving the equation I would not have purchased the ST to begin with, nor added many $ worth of PIAAs, Garmin, MotoLights, Sargents, Cee Baileys, HyperLites, non-US (at that time) Honda topbox, etc., etc......:D

BTW - some of those additions could cause warranty problems down the road.

Oil is the life blood of our engines. The filter is a key component in the lubrication system. Having seen and read, from many sources, about various construction approaches to filters lead me to want the best for my bike. I never said I thought the OEM was "substandard". From what I have seen, the Purolator PureONE (and yes the PL14610 fits ) and the Mobil 1 filter are some of the best. The PL14610 is approved for my 2004 V6 Accord - and that is what I use for it.

It's not approved for the ST - so I won't.

The GL1800 however, has a Purolator referenced ML 16817
Doesn't Honda use the same filter for both?? :confused:

Yes, if you change it often enough it probably really doesn't matter what oil or filter you use. But if I can find one that I feel is better (and acceptable to Mother H specs) I will use it - as that is my choice & desire.

Call me anal - I call it part of the fun!

Have a safe 4th.

[Daryl]

From above:

"Engine builders design around two things. The oil filter and the spark plug"

I don't really follow this one??

I belive it's the other way around actually.

And OE are not usually OE anyway - usually bought from aftermarket suppliers which may (and do) change over time - see Honda's part # change on 6/2004 for the ST1300 per HondaDirectline link to filters in this thread.

:03biker:

[Horst]

... great looking bike ! ... ;)

[wb5tty]

I confess! I have used the Pure One filter. Since I did buy the extended warranty I guess I should do back to the not as good Honda oil filter. I have been bad, I have been very bad! :( I will never do it again, I promise.

[Drew]

The reason that the Purolator PL14610 is not "approved" (lawyer speak) for the ST is that Purolator really wants you to use their over priced and lower quality (profit) motorcycle specific filters.

They also don't need the expense or complications to certify more than one filter for a very low volume motorcycle vs hundreds of thousands of Accords. Just like Mobil wants you to use their $9.00 quart motorcycle specific oil rather than the 15w-50 Mobil 1.

Do you really think that the all aluminum motorcycle engine in the ST is all that different than the Honda all aluminum automotive engines?

Use what you want, but this "approved" nonsense is not based on engineering, but rather legalease.

Drew

[sport_tourer]

Geee...I wonder how many who are "insisting" on the genuine Honda filter, run non JASO MA oil (Rotella T synthetic) in their bike?

OK...who's first to admit their hypocrisy?

Chris

Note: Personal disclosure: Amsoil synthetic and Wally World Super Tech ST7317 oil filters (and yes, I have completely disassembled several different brands of filters in the past to view their construction) every 2500 to 3000 miles. And I a happy with what I run!

[alan]

I have been using the Purolator oil filter for the last 20,000 miles on my ST1300. So it's time for a oil and filter change and I find the local store that I have previously bought the filter from now only stocks Fram filters, has dropped the Purolator line. Yesterday I drove over to my Honda dealer at lunch time and bought an official Honda filter, cost over $12! :eek: What a rip off!

[sherob]

I have been using the Purolator oil filter for the last 20,000 miles on my ST1300. So it's time for a oil and filter change and I find the local store that I have previously bought the filter from now only stocks Fram filters, has dropped the Purolator line. Yesterday I drove over to my Honda dealer at lunch time and bought an official Honda filter, cost over $12! :eek: What a rip off!

Just under $7 @ HDL... I ordered 2 and few other things... paid $5 handling/shipping fee since it was under $100, but still alot cheaper when adding sales tax too. ;)

[Schavlan]

Oh for pete's sake, this old boondoggle again.

Here's my 2 cents, and I think it's worth more than anyone elses (smirk).

Oil is oil and filters are filters. They have to meet minimum specifications or the companies that sell them would be sued out of business.

If your bike is still under warranty, it would be foolish to use anything but Honda OEM in order to protect the warranty.

After the warranty period, if you change your oil and oil filter regularly at 3000 mile intervals, you can use just about any brand (barring friction modifiers) and you'll be fine.

I will challenge anyone who says differently to a duel. Champagne corks at 20 paces.

[STnAV8R]

The bypass valve is a non issue, it really doesn't matter if it opens up at 12lbs or 15lbs or 18lbs. The only time a filter will be bypassing if it is clogged by neglecting to change the oil regularly, or a thick oil in very cold temperature starting. Almost all quality filters have a anti-drainback valve (rubber flap).

Drew is right. The bypass valve is only there to allow oil to bypass the filter if the pressure is too high ie. the filter is clogged or the oil is cold and stiff. I change the oil at 3000 mi and use a sump heater to preheat the oil if it's cold.

Purolator likely has not "approved" the 610 simply becasue the small volume for ST's is not worth their time doing the work. That does not mean that the filter is not suitable for ST's, only that they have not checked it out.

If you are worried about the warranty issue, keep a Honda filter on the shelf as I do and put it on before taking the bike in for a major engine warranty issue.

The cost of the filter is not the issue for me, it's the quality. Take apart several brands and compare the media and internal construction. I did. I use the PureOne. The Walmart unit comes in 2nd.

[STeve1300]

I can't believe I read another oil thread :D

[GRN]

even worse... can't believe I just read this one again :banghead:

[Tor]

I use Pure one, but we're all :BDH::BDH::BDH::BDH: