Dallas ST1300 ValveSTOC Nov 12th

[Ridingfar]

What: ST1300 Valve Check and Adjust Do and Learn Workshop

When: 8:00 AM CDT, Saturday, November 12, 2005

Where: Courtney Sullivan
4601 Hallmark Drive
Plano (Dallas), TX 75024
GPS: N 33 04.298 W 96 47.197

We're doing Chuck Henderson's and Pete Ruso's 1300s, maybe one more. This will be the second check/adjust for Chuck's bike, and the first for Pete's.

Out of town attendees staying here may arrive Friday night and leave Sunday. There will be a couple of beds and lots of floor space/sleeping bags available, and also offers from some other ST'ers in the area for beds. Cheap hotels are also not far away.

Friday night we'll sit around the garage and visit, kick tires, take plastic off the "work" bikes, and tell stories and lies.

The coffee pot will be on Saturday morning, and we'll fire up the grill and hot tub when we're done.

Come early, stay late, have a good time and share/learn with others.

Let me know if you think you can make it!

[crazykz]

Hey Courtney,

Mines overdue for the second one. I have everything I need but a torque wrench I think. If I bring mine would I be able to work on mine while going through the tutorial? I don't want to foul up any plans you have for the workshop so if that won't work then let me know but it would be nice if I could.

Let me know your thoughts. You can PM me if you want.

Thanks,
Curt

[Ridingfar]

Curt - if you come from WI for this we'll fit you in and check and adjust your valves. And I have torque wrenches.

[Ridingfar]

I’ve been requested to move the ST1300 Dallas ValveSTOC so it doesn’t conflict with the rescheduled TexSTOC on October 28th and 29th, so we’re going to push the ValveSTOC out to Veteran’s Day weekend and do it on November 12th.

Hope the rescheduling will still allow those wishing to attend to make it!

[crazykz]

I posted my plight to the new thread.

Curt

[Simmons1]

I would like to attend just to watch/learn and chew the fat.

Rich

[slammr]

I live in Plano and would like to watch the valve check/adjust

I'll plan on being there.

[slammr]

Oops, with the date change to Nov 12, I will not be able to make it. I'm out of town that weekend. Keep me posted if this changes.

jstokes@metasolv.com

[wlllw]

I'm planning on attending. But don't necessarily count on it.

[crazykz]

If I'm not buried in snow I will be there.

Curt

[vince]

I'm planning on being there. Will probably arrive late Friday afternoon/evening.

Vince
Presidio Tx

[uptoblackwood]

I'll be there to take it in....

[KentS]

That is an otstanding invite.
I left Alaska to 'ride about' this season in the 'lower 48'. Right now I'm in NYC but would like to plan on attending your tech shop session on the 12th. The 2003 ST-1300A has 102.5k miles on it now and will likely have a couple more by the 12th.

[BeBeep]

I am planning to attend, I am looking forward to meeting everyone.

Thanks,
Bob

[crazykz]

Plan on leaving Milwaukee around 4:00AM on Friday. That should put me there around 6:00pm.

Curt

[CrashTestDanny]

Plan on leaving Milwaukee around 4:00AM on Friday. That should put me there around 6:00pm.


Dude - that's about 1k miles in 14h - 70mph average... :bow1: :bow1: :bow1:

If you need a stop in the middle either way, give me a call. I'm in the St. Louis area and have a spare bed and garage space.

[crazykz]

Ummmm. I feel a severe case of your-not-touchin-my-bike-itis coming on. ;)

Curt

[CrashTestDanny]

Heh - I thought I was doing good with an 80 mile ride before breakfast this morning. :)

[Putt]

I wonder if Curt and KentS are related?? 100+K miles on an 03....


Putt...

[Putt]

I hear ya.. I have 21k on my 04.... I need to get out more...
I think this next summer I will put a few on.... The mountain states are
calling me already..... The plans are for next July for Judy and I to take the
whole month and just cruise the western states.....


Putt...

[crazykz]

I think LDMike is doing the same thing next year. Looks like I'll be taking a backseat next year to that kind of mileage. Good luck.

Curt

[Putt]

From centrally located TX, it is not as hard as it might sound. By the end of this week, I'll have two states and four stamps.[/quote]

That looks interesting.... Might have to plan our routes to bring us
close to the NP's...

Putt..

[Putt]

I wonder how Yellowstone would work?? One park, but
3 states?? (WY,ID,MT)

Putt...

[Mellow]

I have a Z6 rear tire in the garage that has maybe 2k left on it, it's a little cupped as I didn't pay attention to my air pressure on a trip to the Grand Canyon last year.

Anyway, I replaced the tires for a WeSTOC trip and then I got the Wing before I had a chance to run the remaining rubber off this tire.

I was planning on hitting the Hill Country this weekend but I forgot about some work I had scheduled for Sat night/Sun morning so I can't make the trip. So, I'll stop off at ValveSTOC and say hi AND If anyone wants a used Z6 to either run some miles on it before a big trip or just to have a spare sitting in the garage I'll bring it.

Anyone interested?

[Simmons1]

See you guys tomorrow!

[Simmons1]

Thanks for a great day Courtney! I learned what tasks I will and won't tackle myself.

Rich

[STCPO]

It was great seeing everyone again and meeting some new friends. Thank you to everyone who helped work on my bike. I learned a lot and will forever be in your debt.

:bow1: :bow1: :bow1: :bow1:

Pete

[Ridingfar]

Valve Clearence Check - 3 1300's

Valve Adjustment - 1 1300, left side intake and exhaust cams removed, 2 exhaust shims out of spec (.205mm and .215mm, shim changed, new clearences .25 and .245), one intake near the edge of range at .135mm, changed to .155

Air Filter Change - 2 1300's

Coolant Leak - 1 1300, pulled radiator and tightened hose clamps

Coolant Flush and Change - 2 1300's

Throttle Body Sync and Vacuum Hoses Extended - 3 1300's

Brake and Clutch Flush/Fluid Change - 2 1300's

Spark Plug Change - 2 1300's

Headlight Bulb Change - 1 1300

Ballancer Shaft Adjustment - 2 1300's

J&M 2003CB Install - 1 1300

New Sprockets and Chain - 1 KLR650

Tire Plug and Reinflate - 1 1300

Minor Tweaks, repairs, modifacations and checks - Too numerious to count

Attendees: About 20
Donuts: About 40
Sandwiches: About 60
Pizzas: 5
Water/Soda/Gateraid: About 75
Beers: Confidential

Not bad for a Friday afternoon and Saturday wrenching session!

[Mellow]

It was great seeing those I knew and some new faces.

Courtney, who bought all the food? I'd like to contribute.

[Ridingfar]

The Exhausts were a 158 that went to a 155, and a 155 went to a 150. The intake was a 182 that went to a 180.

BTW - All 4 of Curt's intakes on the left side were 182's...tells me the manufacturing consistancy of the heads, valves, springs, etc. is very good.

[Ridingfar]

Rob was the heavy lifter and got the sandwiches - They were great! Thanks Rob!

Passed the hat for the pizzas, and I think Curt and John Cooney brought the donuts - sorry if I got that wrong and slighted someone!

I stocked the fridge with drinks and Fred, others (?) brought some too.

[Ridingfar]

"The Exhausts were a 158 that went to a 155, and a 155 went to a 150. The intake was a 182 that went to a 180.

BTW - All 4 of Curt's intakes on the left side were 182's..."

Paul - These are the shim sizes, not clearences.

[Medicine Bear]

Damn! I'd spring for the pizzas, and the beer, and the soft drinks, and popcorn, peanuts, and Cracker Jacks to have that kind of expertise showing me how to maintain my ST!:eek:

In the past, when something broke and I tried to fix it, I usually wound up putting the parts in a box and taking them to somebody who knew what they were doing. That's one of the reasons I bought an ST and do preventative maintenance.

Fred:03biker:

[Ridingfar]

Too bad we didn't get a picture of Pete's expression when I was drilling out and using an extractor on that airbox housing screw that wouldn't come out even with the impact wrench he had tried...:eek:

I kept telling him "It's not a matter of if, just how and when..."

[crazykz]

Thanks to everyone that helped me out. Thanks to Courtney for hosting the whole thing. I learned quite a bit. I'll probably write up everything at some point this week.

The ride home was 16.25 hours of crosswind and headwind. Once I got to Oklahoma it never got above 55 degrees. Had an hour of fog through Oklahoma also. Still made good time and the bike ran great. Seems a little smoother and the top end is back for the attack.

I'll have to get names on the pics so I remember who all was there.

Curt

[Ridingfar]

And some people think Courtney is an....unusual name for a guy...seems to be still serving me well! I've been remembered for many things, but being remembered for something is a Good Thing....especially when it's by a pretty girl :duck: :hotpepper

[crazykz]

Since Courtney will be moving to St. Louis now at least it's a reasonable ride for me to participate if there's one next year. It was a great learning expierence for everyone involved. I got pretty much all my winter maintenance done in one shot!!! ;) Just need a brake/clutch bleed but that's a lot less work than everything I got done over the weekend.

A big thanks also to Charlie and Cass for putting me up for the weekend. One of these times we'll actually get some time to sit down and visit. ;)

Curt

[Fred D]

Let me add my thanks and appreciation to Courtney and his family, for hosting and tolerating a bunch of folks, in what has to be a stressful time for the Sullivan family, with the impending move and all.

And another thanks to Chuck Henderson for providing his technical expertise and help.

Oh, and evens more thanks to Rob for bringing snacks, lunch, and dinner on Saturday!!

It was great to put a face with some names, and I'm sure our paths will be crossing again!

[crazykz]

Ok I guess we did visit for a while. Probably bored Cass to tears. ;) I tried to hold it together without drugs but when my jaw and leg started twitching at the place we stopped to eat I knew I needed help.

Curt

[crazykz]

Ok here's the full breakdown with as much as we did. We didn't do the right side so I don't have the shim sizes there yet. I can see after doing this work that if you asked a dealer to record all your shim sizes they probably wouldn't do it. It's a lot of work without having to do that. They would either get it done as fast as possible then bill you for the full time or they would bill you more for the time they spent to do that. All depends on the dealer, YMMV.

Intakes - 16 +/- 3
Exhausts - 25 +/- 3


Cylinder 1
Exhaust 1-1 / Intake 1-1
Clearance 23 / 13.5
Shim 152 / 182
Need / 180
Clearance / 16

Exhaust 1-2 / Intake 1-2
Clearance 20.5 / 15
Shim 155 / 182
Need 150 /
Clearance 24.5 /


Cylinder 2
Intake 2-1 / Exhaust 2-1
Clearance 15.3 / 23
Shim
Need
Clearance

Intake 2-2 / Exhaust 2-2
Clearance 15.5 / 25
Shim
Need
Clearance

Cylinder 3
Exhaust 3-1 / Intake 3-1
Clearance 24.5 / 15
Shim 155 / 182
Need
Clearance

Exhaust 3-2 / Intake 3-2
Clearance 21.5 / 15.5
Shim 158 / 182
Need 155 /
Clearance 24.0 /

Cylinder 4
Intake 4-1 / Exhaust 4-1
Clearance 13.5 / 24.5
Shim
Need
Clearance

Intake 4-2 / Exhaust 4-2
Clearance 15 / 25
Shim
Need
Clearance

[ST090]

Dido to Courtney for hosting the event and all the Dallas Area techs, along with Courtney Leading, who worked and instructed others on various proceedures. It was a valuable learning experience and helped confirm my confidence. Further, it was great meeting people and I wish I had a better memory for names.

Chuck Henderson was there to remind us what cracking forged aluminum might sound like when breaking loose the cam and oil journal covers. Courtney was the final opinion on all valve clearance measurements. Rob not only supplied sandwiches for Saturday, he brought a white tool bag filled with special tools and did a great deal of the 16000 mile maintenace on Pete's bike.


Kent from Alaska with 105,000 miles on his 2003 ST1300 was quick to jump on his bike to go get anything needed. I guess he was needing a few more miles!

I was so impressed with what I saw and observed, I may try to initiate a Tucson or Phoenix valvestoc modeled after the Courtney hosted event.

Thanks to all.

[crazykz]

Yes, I can't forget Kent taking the time to run out and get the things I needed to extend my vacuum lines out from under the that mess in between the throttle bodies. I'm glad Courtney thought to do that on the other bikes as I had forgotten that little trick. Now I should be able to check mine without all the hassle next time.

Thanks again for the help.

Curt

[dond]

Curt extending the vac lines is one farkle I will do at the next opportunity. What size/type did you use and what did you use for nipples? Plugs?

TIA

[crazykz]

Curt extending the vac lines is one farkle I will do at the next opportunity. What size/type did you use and what did you use for nipples? Plugs?

TIA

Crap! You'll have to ask Ridingfar (Courtney). He has all the stuff at his place. Kent volunteered to go out and get more of what Courtney had so I could do mine. So I didn't really pay attention to what the sizes were but I know Courtney has that info.

Sorry.

Curt

[crazykz]

I'll share the only two pictures I took the whole weekend. I would like to put names with the faces if anyone can help with that. I got Courtney, Charlie, and Kent but I'm afraid I'll need help with the rest.

I'm sure the woman in the back regrets ever coming to the garage to ask for computer help from Courtney. She's like "Great, frozen in time with the dorks in the garage". ;) Just kidding guys. You're all aces in my book.

The other pic is just my 50K rollover on the way down.

Curt

[Ridingfar]

3/8" windshield washer fittings and plugs with 3/8 or 5/16 windshield washer hose or vacuum hose. Find them at most auto parts stores.

Reuse the 5 way fitting, and extend hoses to under the air box/forward of the throttle bodies.

[Mark]

Nice mileage shot Curt, did you use C02 to get that 37F reading on the temp guage?

[KentS]

Valve STOC 2005 TERRIFIC! A number of fine people Vince, Fred, Jim, Curt, Rocket Cowboy, Pete, … were there. A very special thanks to our host Courtney Sullivan and those willing to share expertise and discuss issues.
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Steve and Nathan at Plano Honda scheduled replacement for rear tire with AV46 170/60R17 ST rear, and rear brake pads within the hour. Well done with 20% off for STOC event. Pulled out with new rear tire and brake pads in about two hours and returned to Valve STOC. Note rear axle thruster bearings are ready for replacement this set has 65k miles on them.

Made a run to PEP Boys for more 5/32’ vacuum hose and straight connectors to extend vacuum lines for easier meter connect for throttle body balance adjust. Returned to find re-installed cams on Curt’s 2004 ST-1300. (guess I missed the best part or re-assembly). Will just have to do this again … Thanks to all.

11/13/2005 Sunday Plano TX (Motel 6)
Rear tire had 40 #. Put in 42.
I’m off for some more stamp collecting - South to Johnson City. Visit LBJ Ranch. http://www.nps.gov/lyjo/ .

Ranger Bob_House@nps.gov rides a 650 KLR right now. He advised to ride the river road and stop by “Ms. T(St)acey’s” Place in Big Bend NP.

Fog lights went out (fuse? Wire?)
T-storms this evening with an almost full moon, it was a spectacular light show. There were many grazing deer along edge of roads.

Excuse the tardy response. Unreliable net connections when traveling.

laters ...

[crazykz]

Nice mileage shot Curt, did you use C02 to get that 37F reading on the temp guage?

Um. No. In northern regions this time of year it does get that cold. On the ride down I didn't have anything above 40 degrees for the first 4-6 hours of my ride.

Curt