Oil Filters

[JReviere]

I searched. I did not find the thread. I know I've seen it on one of the forums... but, not found by searching. So, I have to ask: What is the number of the SuperTec (WallyWorld house brand) recommended filter for ST1300? Fram has a DuraGuard 7317 and SuperTec also has a 7317. The DuraGuard 7317 is a driect crossover for the regular Fram 6017A which fits most Hondas. Visual inspexion of the SuperTec 7317 compared to a Fram 6017A, the SuperTec 7317 is abut 12mm longer, exactly the same diameter, same diameter gasket face, same diameter center hole, and same threads.. So, it would appear the SuperTec 7317 is the correct number, but I'm asking to be sure... the price is certainly right: under $3.00 including exorbinant sales taxes.

JR
03ST1300A
Livingston, TX
grumpy@eastex.net

[JReviere]

Barf! Mia culpa. I found it. A sticky note right in front of me... SuperTec number 7317 is correct.... Thanx anyway gang.
JR

[GearedUp]

This is a list of filters that should fit the ST1300 from the following website. There is a lot of good reading there.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/

These Oil Filters
have 20 x 1.5mm threads,
14 psi by-pass valve,
anti-drain back valve,
2.3" O.D. gasket
2.5" to 3.5" long.
If you have the room, I recommend the longer filters.
Motorcycle Filters.
None are recommended.

AC Delco PF2135
AMSOil SMF103
Carquest 85358
FRAM PH6017A
Honda 15410-MCJ-000
K&N KN-204, about $13. Metric nut on end for easy removal.
NAPA Gold 1358
Purolator ML16817. Imported, not made by Purolator.
STP SMO 17
WIX 51358
Recommended filters.
All have superior
filtering.

About 2.5 inches long.
Purolator Pure One PL14612, about $6.
Mobil M1-108, about $12.
Made by Champion.
Bosch 3300, about $6.
Made by Champion.

About 3.25 inches long.
Purolator Pure One PL14610, about $6.
Mobil 1 M1-110, about $10.
Made by Champion.
Bosch 3323, about $6.
Made By Champion.
WalMart SuperTech ST7317,
about $2. Made by Champion.
Automobile Filters,
about 2.5 inches long.
AC Delco PF1237
Baldwin B1400
Firestone TF2876
Hastings LF113
NAPA Gold 1365
Purolator L14612
STP S-02876
WalMart SuperTech ST6607
WIX 51365
Automobile Filters,
about 3.25 inches long.
AC Delco PF-2057
Auto Pro 2356
Autopride CF240AP
Baldwin B1402
Carquest 85356
Carquest Red B4620
Casite CF240
Castrol 7317
Champion Labs Ph2867
Defense Filters Dl7317
Deutsch D-370
Federated Filters LF240F
Automobile Filters,
about 3.25 inches long.
Fram Double Guard DG7317
Fram PH7317
Fram Tough Guard TG7317
Fram Xtra Guard XG7317
Group 7 V4610
Group 7 V4620
Hastings LF240
Mighty M4612
Motorcraft Long Life FL-821
Napa FIL1356
Napa Gold 1356
Parts Plus PH2867
Pennzoil PZ-109
Penske 7317
Powerflo SL14610
Powerflo SL14620
Pro Gauge PGO-4620
Pro Tec 164
Promotive PH4610
Pronto PO3593A
Purolator L14610
Service Champ OF-4622
Shell SH48
Shell SH529
Stp S-02867.
Valvoline VO50
Warner PH2867
Wix 51356

[g17]

I've yet to see a supertec 7317 at any walmart in my area. When I was in Kentucky last September, the walmart there had plenty of them. Meant to buy a few before returning home but forgot.

[ChucksKLRST]

I found the Super Tech ST6607 also fits and works on my ST1300. About 3 bucks a filter from Walmart. So far it is doing fine. No leaks, no drips, no errors.

[JReviere]

I found them at the WallyWorld in Livingston, TX (a rural backwater of the big thicket country of east Texas) for under $3.00 sales tax included. If someone can't find them at their local WallyWorld, I'll be glad to pick some up and ship them... actual cost and shipping of course.

JR
STOC 394
03ST1300A

[Putt]

one thing about the Super Tech. make sure you get a tight fitting
wrench for removal... The housing "seems" to be made of thinner
metal. I have had a bit of trouble removing the Super Techs, they
seem to deform easily... YMMV...


Putt...

[Horst]

They de-form ??? :eek:

That would do it for me ... not chance that's going on my bike. Fram 6017A is a proven performer, but made for ST11 and GL15 ... otherwise it's OEM. The Gold Wingers get them by the dozen and I always get 2 or 3 .... :)

[BigBadblue]

I had nothing but problems with Frams on my Interceptor, I would not use them if you gave them to me. IMHO they are the cheapest, most poorly made piece of junk on the market, they are living on their past reputation and laughing all the way to the bank. If you like them fine, but as far as I am concerned they are bad news, nearly had a catastrophic event because of their lousy design. The cheap oil seal failed and dumped all the oil right in front of my rear tire and nearly lost the motor too, no fun.

[JReviere]

I've found although the tool makers say they fit, end cap filter wrenches vary in size enough to slip at times. I've a whole collexion of them. I have found too, oil filter cans vary in size slightly as well. Not just the SuperTec, but all of them. The wrenches are either hard plastic (worthless, in my view) or light stamped metal which may fit and may not fit a given filter can. Similarly, filter cans are mass produced by a stamping process as well evidently. There seems to be little Quality Control evident in the metal thickness. Cheap is the byword, evidently. I've had the absurdely expensive OEM filters collapse when trying to remove one after some gorilla had over tightened it. I've had seal ring failure on just about every brand I've tried, which has not been all of them for sure. I've used Fram for years without incident other than a seal 'O' ring fail when the filter was too tight or had been installed with out the 'O' ring being oiled first. If done correctly, I've not ever had a moment's trouble with any oil filter which was the fault of the filter. I had an engine blow an ACDelco filter loose when the by pass valve (external to the filter) was plugged, but never on a bike with a by pass valve inernal in the filter. I'm convinced, if you dig deeply enough, you will find every brand out there has a failure rate. Perfection in humanity and human made things exists only in our being able to be imperfect. Install a NEW filter each oil change, do the job correctly, oil the 'O' ring, do not over tighten the filter, and your chances of success are excellent regardless of what brand of filter you choose to use. About the only consideration worth thinking about, other than price if you are price conscious, is the micron size the filter will pass thru and the amount of filtering media in the filter. The ST, both 11 and 13 can use the same filter, and as the previous poster showed the suitable list is LONG. I go with what hurts my wallet the least and is easiest to find.
JR STOC 394 03ST1300A

[g17]

I never had a problem with a SuperTec deforming any more than other brands of filters. However, the initial oil change required removing the honda filter with a hammer and screwdriver after all other methods failed. Haven't had any issues with removal since. I install the oil filter on the ST just like I have on my cars for the last 20 years. Never had one come off and no leaking. Spin new filter on until snug, tighten 1/4 turn and it comes off without issue at next service. I stocked up on Honda filters from HDL on last order, about $6 each.

[Horst]

Frams have had problem *internally* ! .... the glue that holds the paper filter in place came un done .... the 'A' filter apparently fixed that.

But the point is, you have a world-class sport tourer and you're going to put Wall Mart special filters in it ? .... where's the logic in that ?

I suppose .99c oil is ok too ... ;)

[wjbertrand]

I've only had two problems with oil filters in my life both on bikes but I've probably used far more of them on cages. First problem I had was with an Emgo after market filter for my old Yamaha XS750. This was the old internal element type filter design, not the spin on style. In my case when I took the filter housing off as part of a routine change, I found the pleats had separated from the end fitting about 90 degrees around one end. I'd have had no clue from the way the bike was running. I quit using those after that experience.

The only other problem was with a Purolator spin-on filter for my ST1100. Apparently the threads were cut wrong and though the filter felt like it had tightened up nicely against the gasket, it instead had stopped because of thread binding. I started the bike in the garage and was immediately greeted with almost 4qt. of Mobil 1 all over the floor and a the air space filled with smoke from the oil pouring over the exhaust system. To Purolator's credit they refunded me for the oil and filter and sent a return kit for the old filter. The analysis of the improperly cut threads was their conclusion after inspecting the returned filter, not mine. I also had a problem with a Purolator transmission pan gasket that disintegrated, dumping ATF from my wife's car all over the garage. Again they provided a refund and I returned what remnants of the pan gasket I could recover to them. I'll admit I'm shy to use anymore Purolator products but perhaps my experience is unique in the universe. I've used relatively few of their product, usually only when my regular brand is out of stock and two Q issues among a small sampling isn't confidence inspiring.

Most of the filter products I've used over the years on all of my vehicles have been Fram products, my regular brand. So far no complaints. I took to opening used oil filters with a can opener and inspecting them for a while when I discovered all the anti-Fram websites but of the 20 or so I opened, both from my bike and my cages. I never found anything amiss, so I soon grew bored with it and no longer bother.

[Dave Austin]

I read an article a few years ago in Wing World about after market oil filters.

Three guys used a particular brand non Honda OEM oil filter in their GL1500 Goldwings. The internal components of the filters collapsed got sucked into the internal area of the engine. All three had to have motor rebuilds done to clean the paper element crap out of the engine. I am not saying all aftermarket oil filters are not good.
I just have not heard anything bad about the OEM filter. Except its a little more $.

I never have used after market oil filters and probably never will. I stay with the OEM filter even if it is a few bucks more. I figure with the $$ I have in both my 03ST and 05Wing an oil filter every 3000 miles is not going to break the bank. And I sleep better too :D

JMHO.

This sure is an awesome site.

Dave:03biker:

[JReviere]

Ans. your ?. Bad: OEM filters are over priced. OEM filters are available only at dealers.

Some of us live out in the "back country" so to speak. For us availability is an issue.

With me, cost is an issue.

I'm 50+ mi from a dealer. I don't order on line because I do not trust "secure" sites so I will not transmit confidential information via the net.

After market is readily available locally, so I don't have to "stock up".

I would not rate OEM as being better than "acceptable" quality in terms of micron size filter passage. Since I change filters at each oil change (3K mi) this isn't much of concern... but cost is a concern...

It is absurd, in my way of thinking, to pay 3X or 4X for a filter just because it comes in a box with "Honda" printed on the box.

I guess I'm not sufficiently anally retententive to need the peace of mind paying the extra money is supposedly giving some folk.

JR
STOC 394

[tricky_micky]

Regarding oil filters.

Apart from being miles away from a Honda dealer, I cant see what the problem is, just go order the Honda filter and all the problems are resolved.

I know I may get some flack, but for a change, Honda oil filters here in the UK are as cheap as any aftermarket oil filter.

I would not even think about aftermarket stuff under our circumstances, after all, it is a major part of the engine set up. I would rather pay an extra buck for a genuine Honda part than to mess about with some of the aftermarket stuff.

At least if it is a genuine Honda part, you have something to argue about....Now to prepare for any flack!

Mick

[RCField]

:confused:

Bought two Honda filters from Ashville NC M.R. HONDA @ $8.00 each

Can't believe someone charges $20 plus dollars. Order 5-6 online and have them on hand.

RC

[BigBadblue]

Just order from Honda Directline USA : $6.99 no tax - free shipping, delivered to your door, no hassle, buy a bunch, end of problem. Link;

http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=18&str=10&ID=1039811580

[Gatorguy]

My local dealer sells the OEM filters for about $8 also. I picked up an Ampro oil filter wrench last night from Advance Discount Auto Parts for under $5. Fits the OEM filter perfectly. Ampro part number T70413. Here's a link.
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?categorycode=3401&mfrcode=APO&mfrpartnumber=T70413785A255

[BillA]

I went to the local WAL*MART this past weekend to pick up some oil and a filter for my cars (2002, 2004 Hyundai Elantra). I wanted to try the Super Tech due to postings I have read about their excellent filtration. Turns out both my cars use the ST7317. I read this thread and was so surprised to find that also fit my ST1300. I compared the ST7317 against an OEM I have on hand a Purolator PureONE PL14612 which is my filter of preference. They have the same physical and internal component characteristics, neat.

At least now I know both my cars and my bake can use the same filters

[BigBadblue]

I went to the local WAL*MART this past wwekend to pick up some oil and a filter for my cars (2002,2004 Hyundai Elantra). I wanted to try the Super Tech due to postings I have read about their excellent filtration. Turns out both my cars use the ST7317. I read this thread and was so supprised to find that also fit my ST1300. I compared the ST7317 against an OEM I have on hand an a Purolator PureONE PL14612 which is my filter of preference. They have the same physical and internal comnponent charactoristics, neat.

At least now I know both my cars and my bake can use the same filters
My OEM Nissan Armada filter would screw right on the ST, just slightlly longer tha Honda ST OEM.

[SeaFunMan]

Say, BBB, how about posting alink to that engine photo. Nice...!

[dond]

Say, BBB, how about posting alink to that engine photo. Nice...!
This one's cool too.
http://image63.webshots.com/163/2/65/18/451926518KocJYy_fs.jpg
I hope it works, I've been having a bad time w/links lately.

[ST/SV]

I found a site awhile back where a guy tested a bunch of filters (took 'em all apart) and said he found the Puralator Pure One the best filter, he also said the Supertech was good for the price and Fram was one of the worst, he also talked about oil and he used Shell Rotella Synthetic, the kind used in diesel trucks, he has a ST, anyone seen that site? : 04biker:

[Scooterb]

I found a site awhile back where a guy tested a bunch of filters (took 'em all apart) and said he found the Puralator Pure One the best filter, he also said the Supertech was good for the price and Fram was one of the worst, he also talked about oil and he used Shell Rotella Synthetic, the kind used in diesel trucks, he has a ST, anyone seen that site? : 04biker:


I think that this is the place that you're looking for.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

[BigBadblue]

If that is not it, maybe this?

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#OilFilters

[videolester]

Is there any difficulty in using the "long" oil filters with the 1100? Is there any interference with exhaust sytems or anything else? Do you still have enuff clearance to work with the filter?

[Fred D]

Is there any difficulty in using the "long" oil filters with the 1100? Is there any interference with exhaust sytems or anything else? Do you still have enuff clearance to work with the filter?

If your 1100 is one of the earlier models, with the oil cooler, to ease removal, there's a bolt securing the lower fairing near the oil filter that you'll need to remove, to allow the fairing to flex outward as you unscrew the filter. No problem when installing the longer filter, just when removing.

[dond]

Say, BBB, how about posting alink to that engine photo. Nice...!
Google images: ST1300 engine...Ta-Da!

[BigBadblue]

Say, BBB, how about posting alink to that engine photo. Nice...!
Sorry, I missed your post. yeah, GOOGLE is it.