Keyless ignition

Tcmcnomad

Tcmcnomad

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Has anyone wired in a keyless ignition? I'll probably keep the key switch as a secondary option for now but I'd like to wire in a remote activated keyless ignition so I don't have to reach over all my farkles and whatnot to reach the key. When seconds count it's an incredible pain in the ass particularly in the dark. Is there a more convenient spot to get to the wires for the ignition other than taking off a side cowl? How about a wire diagram for the ignition? Thanks
 

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I installed keyless ignition on my st1300 and someone requested info on how it was done so i have put together this instructional to help anyone who may be interested in doing something like it. How to install Bluetooth ignition on your ST Parts needed: 1)Bluetooth relay module- Here is the one...
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Mellow said:

Article [13] - ST1300 - Install bluetooth keyless ignition | ST1300 Articles

I installed keyless ignition on my st1300 and someone requested info on how it was done so i have put together this instructional to help anyone who may be interested in doing something like it. How to install Bluetooth ignition on your ST Parts needed: 1)Bluetooth relay module- Here is the one...
www.st-owners.com www.st-owners.com
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Nice! Hell I was crossing fingers somebody would know which wires, I wasn't expecting a full write-up thank you
 
Tcmcnomad said:
When seconds count it's an incredible pain in the ass particularly in the dark.
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Unless you are doing a quick getaway from a bank after your heist, I wonder how often those seconds count so much. Most of the banks I'm familiar with are closed at night. Might you be one of Ocean's 11, wanting to get away from a casino with your loot at night? :rofl1:
 
Most keyless ignition systems that I am aware of still require you at least touch something on the bike. They are not hands off or hands free ignition. My AK 550 has factory keyless ignition and there is no key at all, just a fob. My Rav4 is keyless ignition and that also has no key, just the fob... except that the Rav4 does have an actual key that is only used to unlock the door if needed, but no key slot for the ignition. I like it on both vehicles. I never have to fiddle with finding my key for my AK. It's always deep down in my riding gear zippered pocket.

This sounds more like remote start via BT, which is a form of keyless ignition.
 
SMSW said:
Unless you are doing a quick getaway from a bank after your heist, I wonder how often those seconds count so much. Most of the banks I'm familiar with are closed at night. Might you be one of Ocean's 11, wanting to get away from a casino with your loot at night? :rofl1:
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No banks, but I ride a lot of iron butt BBGs. Time management is critical, especially in the pursuit of a bun burner blackout (1800 miles/24 hrs) when you add in RTE, TOH, or AULD point stops, 20-30 seconds at each stop really add up.
 
rjs987 said:
This sounds more like remote start via BT, which is a form of keyless ignition.
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No. IIRC the article that Mellow linked uses the BT module to duplicate the function of the IGN switch. The OP of the article is very light on use details. I'm guessing that within range BT energizes the IGN and then he uses the starter button. I didn't bother with the schemo but there was no mention of the bike being started remotely.

rjs987 said:
I never have to fiddle with finding my key for my AK. It's always deep down in my riding gear zippered pocket.
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This is exactly why I'd look for that feature if buying a new bike. But for me that would mean a Wing and that's more bike than I want these days. So maybe a scoot'.

The "short key" mod of cutting off the head of a key and putting a cap on it is something of a consideration. Having a low profile look the key could be left in the IGN and not attract casual attention. If you stay close to the bike there'd be little chance of somebody realizing there's a key in it and riding off into the sunset.

A step up would be to incorporate BT and a relay that would interrupt one significant 12V+ wire to the IGN so the starter doesn't fire (and bump starting doesn't work). Much simpler wiring. That means a two step process to ride — turn the knob (key) start the bike. But nipping into the shops for a soda and snack with no worries and no fiddling for a key.

I like power windows/self-cancelling turn signals/power door locks/powered hood and trunk releases / remotes for TVs etc. No not fiddling for a key is right up there.
 
Tcmcnomad said:
No banks, but I ride a lot of iron butt BBGs. Time management is critical, especially in the pursuit of a bun burner blackout (1800 miles/24 hrs) when you add in RTE, TOH, or AULD point stops, 20-30 seconds at each stop really add up.
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Time management is important, yes, but not to the point of "seconds."
The convenience, or personal desires, for keyless ignition, should not be confused with IBA certifications. If you're dependant on "seconds" to turn a key as your make or break criteria, I would reevaluate the rest of your ride.
All IBA sanctioned rides allow for a sustained, reasonable pace, thoughtful and deliberate documentation (amended now for photographing receipts, so less writing), with rider safety as paramount importance.
If seconds matter that much, something is wrong somewhere else.
 
Sadlsor said:
Time management is important, yes, but not to the point of "seconds."
The convenience, or personal desires, for keyless ignition, should not be confused with IBA certifications. If you're dependant on "seconds" to turn a key as your make or break criteria, I would reevaluate the rest of your ride.
All IBA sanctioned rides allow for a sustained, reasonable pace, thoughtful and deliberate documentation (amended now for photographing receipts, so less writing), with rider safety as paramount importance.
If seconds matter that much, something is wrong somewhere else.
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My last BBG (yesterday) came down to 4 minutes to spare. Over half of it was 2 lane black top, thru towns. Seconds matter. How many bun burner blackout do you have?
 
I am a fan of LDRs, my first BBG 1500 was minutes, the 2k was hours... I try not to turn off the bike or dismount unless absolutely necessary. I had a cut key for the gas filler and can get that little bit more petrol in with the bike upright versus on the side stand. In hindsight, unneeded.

This being a remote start thread, the use case being LDRs, I would caution a technical addition that could leave you immobile.

Motogadget has a M-Lock that fits your needs. The last time I looked it had an optional "rice grain" RFID that could be sewn into a glove or such, I could not find it on their site currently however.

Thinking aloud, you want to; bypass the key-> flip the engine power on-> press starter button. I don't have access to a digital wiring diagram currently, but this is certainly doable. Glove box lids come to mind for the fob connector, although I keep thinking about the front wings on the seat. Check out this video and see if its what your thinking.

 
Here we go, on the shoulders of giants.


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My previous bike's manual had a color coded wiring schematics and it was very easy for follow the wires. After becoming cross eyed looking at the B/W ST1300 schematics, I'd decided to create a colored version. I might have missed a line or a description here or there, so if you happen to see a...
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Tcmcnomad said:
My last BBG (yesterday) came down to 4 minutes to spare. Over half of it was 2 lane black top, thru towns. Seconds matter. How many bun burner blackout do you have?
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Defensive, are we?
No need for all the drama.
I've done one BBG, and they are 1500 miles not 1800, and I still maintain...
"If seconds matter that much, something is wrong somewhere else."
I'll grant you, most Bun Burners are primarily interstate. If you want to add to your personal challenge, go for it.
 
I know it’s the trend, but never liked the keyless stuff. Something to be said about keeping it simple, especially on long trips, when things can go wrong. It would be another issue added to the pile to diagnose. Just my opinion.
 
Sadlsor said:
Defensive, are we?
No need for all the drama.
I've done one BBG, and they are 1500 miles not 1800, and I still maintain...
"If seconds matter that much, something is wrong somewhere else."
I'll grant you, most Bun Burners are primarily interstate. If you want to add to your personal challenge, go for it.
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A bun burner or BBG is 1500, a bb blackout is in excess of 1800/24hrs. It's the highest they will certify and can only be done where the speed limit is at least 75 mph the whole way.
 
The stuff of which legends are made.
Wyoming was similar, but they may have rescinded their super-limits. I won't be able to get out that way for quite some time...
But it makes sense, in those wide open spaces.
(Till you come up on that recalcitrant buffalo, cow, pig, elk... who won't follow the rules of the road.)
 
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