The ST13 is a great bike w/o ABS. ABS makes it even better.
I will not buy a bike without ABS.Looking to pickup a used st1300
i am wondering how much more effective an ABS model would be.
have found some good bikes with low miles NON ABS.
Just not sure any opinions out there?
Thanks
Perhaps I should be clearer and say that, for me, the linked brakes AND ABS are much preferred over the non-ABS version of any bike.
I have never had an ABS actuation on any ST unless I deliberately provoked it...... but I guess it is true that the older non ABS with twin pot calipers does require more effort in braking, but is far easier to lock up the rear without trying too hard.
The un-learning for me was not having linked brakes and hence using more front brake and less rear brake, making a conscious effort to brake in a balanced way, rather than the bike doing it for me, and not using too much rear brake when trailing into a reducing radius bend or the like.
That all sounds wrong and a bit amateur but perhaps you will understand what I mean, suffice to say, the brakes on the ABS equipped bike are far better than the non ABS bike, IMHO.
Certainly, once used to the ABS/CBS/TCS equipped bike, going back to a non equipped bike requires a bit of thought and finesse if you are not to embarrass yourself......
If you actually use ABS, you'll never know it. But if you lock the tires on a bike w/o ABS, you'll know you needed it."Studies by the Institute and HLDI compared crash rates for motorcycles equipped with optional antilock brakes against the same models without the option. The rate of fatal crashes per 10,000 registered vehicle years was 37 percent lower for motorcycles equipped with optional antilocks than for those same motorcycles without them. In crashes of all severities, the frequency at which collision claims were filed was 22 percent lower for the antilock models"
I've had a bunch of motorcycles of all ages in the last 47 years, I've also restored many cars and 4 airplanes. In addition I spent 38 years in the A&D industry building complex weapons systems for Uncle Sam. One simple constant applies to owning all things mechanical and that is that the older something is less complex is better. When I went in search of my ST1300 I intentionally sought out a non-abs model with the manually adjustable 3 position windshield for the simple reason that I didn't want to deal with complex aging electronics and servo motors. I'm retired and don't want to spend hundreds of dollars replacing aging abs control components or windscreen motors. My 2003 was a wonderful reliable bike and despite the absence of abs it still has Honda's linked braking system (LBS) which is mechanical and virtually foolproof. Then again I'm the kind of guy that would still buy a car with crank up windows and a front bench seat if I could find one. Just my 2cents.Looking to pickup a used st1300
i am wondering how much more effective an ABS model would be.
have found some good bikes with low miles NON ABS.
Just not sure any opinions out there?
Thanks
We all have our particular hangups!I've had a bunch of motorcycles of all ages in the last 47 years, I've also restored many cars and 4 airplanes. In addition I spent 38 years in the A&D industry building complex weapons systems for Uncle Sam. One simple constant applies to owning all things mechanical and that is that the older something is less complex is better. When I went in search of my ST1300 I intentionally sought out a non-abs model with the manually adjustable 3 position windshield for the simple reason that I didn't want to deal with complex aging electronics and servo motors. I'm retired and don't want to spend hundreds of dollars replacing aging abs control components or windscreen motors. My 2003 was a wonderful reliable bike and despite the absence of abs it still has Honda's linked braking system (LBS) which is mechanical and virtually foolproof. Then again I'm the kind of guy that would still buy a car with crank up windows and a front bench seat if I could find one. Just my 2cents.
Yeah, it's a real shame you cannot get kickstarters, total loss electrical and lubrication systems, breaker point ignitions and what about manual spark advance or leather drive belts for that matter?? Bunch of sissy riders today, that's for sure!I've had a bunch of motorcycles of all ages in the last 47 years, I've also restored many cars and 4 airplanes. In addition I spent 38 years in the A&D industry building complex weapons systems for Uncle Sam. One simple constant applies to owning all things mechanical and that is that the older something is less complex is better. When I went in search of my ST1300 I intentionally sought out a non-abs model with the manually adjustable 3 position windshield for the simple reason that I didn't want to deal with complex aging electronics and servo motors. I'm retired and don't want to spend hundreds of dollars replacing aging abs control components or windscreen motors. My 2003 was a wonderful reliable bike and despite the absence of abs it still has Honda's linked braking system (LBS) which is mechanical and virtually foolproof. Then again I'm the kind of guy that would still buy a car with crank up windows and a front bench seat if I could find one. Just my 2cents.
I have a 2002 non ABS ST and over 16 seasons of riding never had an occasion to slam on the brakes in a collision avoidance type situation, which just means I've been very lucky to date. When the ST gets replaced my new bike will very definitely have ABS.I look at ABS as just another piece of safety gear to have on my side - like proper lighting, a helmet on your head, loud horns, proper riding gear, etc. And you can ride thousands of miles and never need it. But when you need it, you are mighty glad that you had it. It usually makes the difference between an accident and just a 'clean my pants out' incident. In 15 years of riding on one of my ABS equipped ST1100s, it has kicked on 3 times and in two of those occasions all the skill in the world wouldn't have saved my bacon.
I'm old enough to remember my father and a few of his friends sitting around discussing the need for seat belts in cars and remember hearing that it would be better to thrown clear of an accident rather than being belted into a car. Another seat belt danger discussed was going over a bridge railing and then being trapped in your sinking car by your seat belt.Yeah, it's a real shame you cannot get kickstarters, total loss electrical and lubrication systems, breaker point ignitions and what about manual spark advance or leather drive belts for that matter?? Bunch of sissy riders today, that's for sure!