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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Hello again,
    Just stripped the bike down for it's visit to the garage tomorrow re the clutch issue. Found a length of audio typr cable tightly wrapped arond the right hand radiator fan. Got it out but how do I establish what damge may have been caused.
    Dont want to ride it as concerned about clutch.
    Don't want to tell the garage as I may cause myself great expence.
    Don't want to not tell the garage as any damage could cost/make things worse
    Also wondering if this will have anything to do with the clutch issue. ie heat.
    At mo when I start the bike it quite quickly and I think normally goes to 3 bars and stays there.
    The fans turn freely with engine off. Is this normal?

    Any thoughts really appreciated.
    Separate issues. The fans do turn freely and if they are coming on, they're working.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Found a length of audio typr cable tightly wrapped arond the right hand radiator fan. Got it out but how do I establish what damge may have been caused.
    If the fan spins freely and the blades are intact, there's probably no damage. You can either warm the bike up to the point where the fans run or apply 12V to the fan connector to see if everything is good.

    Also wondering if this will have anything to do with the clutch issue. ie heat.
    I doubt that very much. If the temperature gauge doesn't indicate anything unusual, the engine isn't getting any hotter than it should.

    The fans turn freely with engine off. Is this normal?
    Yep. They're just fan blades on electric motors, just like you'd have on a household fan. There wouldn't be any point in having the blades locked down while the fan isn't running, and doing so would just add wind resistance to the bike.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Well, the bike is back. My main man tells me he checked the plates and springs and could find nothing wrong at all. He put the bike back together and guess what. Beautifully smooth, accurate gear change. He didn't even charge me for the work as he had a slow day. Can't believe how chuffed I am. Riding the bike is an absolute pleasure and I'm feeling pretty smug having my faith in my mechanic proven right. Life is good again. Thanks for all the brill advice.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Interesting. I can see the logic about getting out of the way quickly if necessary but i was taught to always put it in neutral. That way if your hand slips for any reason, you won't lurch up the road. Horses for courses I suppose.
    I have had the same issue only my cup seal was leaking in the master cylinder.
    Clutch would be fine for a while then would loose nearly all it’s biting point and wouldn’t disengage gears .
    €2 fix and twenty mins fiddling , but all now in order and selecting a lot smoother.🍺

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Interesting. I can see the logic about getting out of the way quickly if necessary but i was taught to always put it in neutral. That way if your hand slips for any reason, you won't lurch up the road. Horses for courses I suppose.
    Better question would be, what if the green Idiot light was wrong, or vibration caused it to jump into gear while you thought it was securely in neutral? When stopped, both your feet should never be on the ground at the same time, your right foot should be on the brake, holding the bike back if someone rear ends you, or as you say, something happens and the bike lurches forward.
    One foot down (left) forms a triangle (two tire contact patches and your foot) which is much better than two contact patches and balancing back and forth on loose or slippery footing.
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    Back to your issues....pull the one 10 mm head bolt that holds the shift linkage back on, and get underneath the rubber boot on the right side (as seated on the bike) and lubricate the ball joint while working it good, and also lubricate the left side linkage near the shift lever, most folks miss doing this. I also agree with flushing and bleeding the clutch, and checking your bushing in the lever, as well as the rubber boot up there too.
    Good luck.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    [QUOTE=Snave;1323898]We were taught to stand in neutral, front brake on (to show the brake light) left foot on peg ready to snick into first gear, right foot on floor. I don't like the idea of sitting in gear for several minutes holding my clutch in.

    This is what i do, never formally taught to do it this way, but just seemed the safest way. I always line up outside of any cars ahead of me, so if needed i have a clear path forward instead of a rear bumper. More than 40 years, still in one piece. YMMV.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    For me it's in gear clutch in and feet on the ground or right foot on brake pedal. If it's a long light I might shift to Neutral and shake out my hand out then it's back in gear again.
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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Igofar View Post
    your right foot should be on the brake, holding the bike back if someone rear ends you,
    I never really bought this logic. I may be wrong but the way that I see it if you are rear-ended by a 3, 000 pound vehicle at any significant speed having your foot on the rear brake isn't going to hold you back anyway. If you are hit with such a light force that it would hold you back then a better option is to stop far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so that you have room to maneuver to the side of that vehicle or you have time to stop before you hit it. I never understood bikers who stop close to the bumper of the vehicle in front of them- if for no other reason why would you want to sit there breathing the exhaust of the vehicle in front of you for the duration of the light.
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    I watched my high school best friend die in front of me when his clutch cable on his kawasaki snapped and caused the bike to lurch forward just enough for an Oldsmobile to center punch him and kill him instantly. He had both feet on the ground, and the front hand brake didn't keep the bike from being pushed forward into the traffic lane.
    I have also been rear ended (3) times while on motorcycles! A drunk chick rear ended my Goldwing while I was in the first position at a traffic light at the end of the freeway off ramp. Having my foot on the rear brake, and my hand on the front brake, crumpled the rear of the bike, but didn't push be far enough to reach the traffic lane. Second time, a young girl was on her cell phone, and ran into the rear of ST1100 and pushed me forward enough to just tap the bumper of the car in front of me ( I was almost a full bike length back from this car). Foot on brake saved me again. The last time (hopefully the last time) I was stopped in the third position at a red light, on my GL1500 Goldwing, when a Stolen Honda Acura, fleeing the police, smashed into me without any skid marks, brake lights, etc. They estimated the kids in the car were doing 50+ mph at the time of impact! This one completely crushed the Goldwing, knocked the engine out of the frame, sheared the exhaust off the motor, and tossed me over the car in front of me, and I landed on the truck of the car that was in front of him. I was taken by ambulance to hospital. Nothing would have helped me that time. Oh yeah, the three kids in the car, got away.

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    Re: Stuck in first gear

    Couldn't agree anymore with Igofar. It's not really about the fear of being hit, it's about being in proper control of your vehicle.
    If you wait in traffic, usually in gear or at a junction waiting to pull out it means your right hand has one job to do, i.e. throttle. Your right foot effectively becomes the handbrake.
    This system is taught to all UK motorcycle Police Officers and really becomes second nature allowing smooth, methodical pull aways and yes, if some plonker decides to give you a tap from the rear of you have time to react to said plonker you are in best position to react.
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