Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?
So do I hear the general consensus is that the VFR V4 engine is inferior to the ST V4?
So do I hear the general consensus is that the VFR V4 engine is inferior to the ST V4?
Hope that deactivation technology isn't the dreaded vtekLatest Motorcyclist Magazine has reported that Honda will be releasing the VFR1200T V4 soon and new photos have been leaked though not shown in the magazine. Report is that it might have automatic dual clutch transmission as and option as well as well as a safety crumple-zone fairing and airbag setup. Honda applied for a patent for this system a couple of years ago. It is also reported that it may have cylinder deactivation technology that could improve fuel economy by 30%. Most of these rumors have been floating around for a while - apparently Honda was originally going to release this bike back in 2010 but the world economic slowdown put it on hold for a bit.
Uh...what?So do I hear the general consensus is that the VFR V4 engine is inferior to the ST V4?
I believe it's cylinder deactivation, e.g., two cylinders dropping out in low demand conditions to improve fuel economy. That info appeared in moto mags in 2009 and Motorcyclist brought back the topic in their current issue...maybe they know something we don't, but I wouldn't bet on it.Hope that deactivation technology isn't the dreaded vtek
The ST definitely needs updating , but what you describe is already available from Yamaha and Kawasaki. The ST has a unique engine configuration that is not only efficient, but very smooth. Just what you need in a touring bike. There may be a new Sport tourer in the works from Honda, but if it's based on the VFR it won't be an ST.ST1300 is lacking on power. It does not look good as the other bikes. It is too heavy, heaviest of all... Has nothing as far as gadgetry except the temperature gauge.
It was not updated for 11 years and no one with the right mind will buy one, brand new. Yes it is reliable (somewhat) and very smooth engine. Comes with 2 side cases which is great.
I will not buy anything heavier than 650 lb ever again. Many people still buying 15$ and up $ bikes, I seen and talk to them. Many people still have money but they don't want to buy an old tank called st1300. (I can't prove it but it sounds just about right.)
Even vfr1200f is on the heavy side for a sport bike (how honda thinks of vfr1200f) so maybe v4 is not the engine for bikes. Maybe if they come up with an inline 4 like cbr engine, that will fix the problems??
A false statement. The ST has stronger low-end torque than the C14 and FJR1300.ST1300 is lacking on power.
A totally subjective statement. I think it still looks better (more polished) than even the newest FJR.It does not look good as the other bikes.
A false statement. The K1600GT is heavier.It is too heavy, heaviest of all...
A false statement. Instant fuel consumption, average fuel consumption, electric windshield, electric headlight adjustment, linked brakes, hidden tip-over/crash protection...Has nothing as far as gadgetry except the temperature gauge.
A very offensive statement to any of our newer members who recently bought a new one.It was not updated for 11 years and no one with the right mind will buy one, brand new.
And that of course, is your choice.I will not buy anything heavier than 650 lb ever again.
Apparently you're forgetting Honda's history. The V4 engine, starting in the early 1980's (VF Interceptors, VFR Interceptors, Sabres, Magnas) is the engine that won Honda many racing championships, and put many Honda motorcycles into the garages of very happy riders. I have a VFR1200F, and love the engine. I have a CBR1000RR, and love the engine. But, I'd also very quickly buy a new Honda super-sport bike with a V4 engine.so maybe v4 is not the engine for bikes. Maybe if they come up with an inline 4 like cbr engine, that will fix the problems??
I'll give you $1000 today for your ST13 -- sight unseen. Get it out of your driveway for you.ST1300 is lacking on power. It does not look good as the other bikes. It is too heavy, heaviest of all... Has nothing as far as gadgetry except the temperature gauge.
It was not updated for 11 years and no one with the right mind will buy one, brand new. Yes it is reliable (somewhat) and very smooth engine. Comes with 2 side cases which is great.
I will not buy anything heavier than 650 lb ever again. Many people still buying 15$ and up $ bikes, I seen and talk to them. Many people still have money but they don't want to buy an old tank called st1300. (I can't prove it but it sounds just about right.)
Even vfr1200f is on the heavy side for a sport bike (how honda thinks of vfr1200f) so maybe v4 is not the engine for bikes. Maybe if they come up with an inline 4 like cbr engine, that will fix the problems??
This is something I've said many times. If I want a lightweight sport bike that changes lanes by itself every time a truck goes by I'll buy a CBR. The ST is tilted toward the Touring side and I like that. I like that I can carry a pillion and hardly know they are there. Put an average adult (not the 100 lb woman found on the back of most sportbikes) on the rear of most lightweight bikes and they become unstable and scary to ride. Now throw a weekend worth of gear and see how it handles.I personally like the fact that the ST1300 is kind of tank especially when you do some long hours sharing the interstate with trucks like I did today. I plan on keeping mine for a long time.
As much as I like my 2012 ST1300 I'd have to strongly consider trading her if the new bike came complete with a 100 lb pillion ;-)... I like that I can carry a pillion and hardly know they are there. Put an average adult (not the 100 lb woman found on the back of most sportbikes) ...
You are right, Honda classifies the vfr1200f as a sport bike. NOT A TOURER OR A SPORT TOURER. Therefore it is a sport bike with the capability of accepting ugly looking small side bags. That is all..They would have to improve the ergonomics of the VFR before I would ever choose one over an ST1300. The VFR is a fine bike but it is no Sport Tourer unless your 5'10 or less or don 't mind your legs cramped behind you. I personally like the fact that the ST1300 is kind of tank especially when you do some long hours sharing the interstate with trucks like I did today. I plan on keeping mine for a long time.
That wont be fun, it is more real when someone has the bike and say something real... I am not bashing, really, think about it. We were making suggestions, good ones too, but all of a sudden some of us got defensive and it continued afterwards. That is why in a sense we reach 1072 posts... It touched some nerves.... That is when you get really good opinions....I think the point is that if you hate the ST1300 so much, get rid of it and get something you do like. If it is so bad that all you can do is to fuss and complain about it on a forum dedicated to it, sell it. While this thread is complaining about the lack of a replacement, you are the only one complaining about the bike itself. If you need a thread for bashing the ST1300 there is probably one on the Concourse or BMW forums.
A couple of years ago, I owned a '79 GL1000. At the time the Gold Wing was introduced, it was billed as the heaviest production motorcycle ever made. It had a dry weight of 589 lbs. The GL1000 was the most stable motorcycle in heavy crosswinds that I have ever ridden. And I don't think anyone would argue that it was not the most comfortable ride for both rider and pillion in its day.This is something I've said many times. If I want a lightweight sport bike that changes lanes by itself every time a truck goes by I'll buy a CBR. The ST is tilted toward the Touring side and I like that. I like that I can carry a pillion and hardly know they are there. Put an average adult (not the 100 lb woman found on the back of most sportbikes) on the rear of most lightweight bikes and they become unstable and scary to ride. Now throw a weekend worth of gear and see how it handles.
FWIW, I've found that my FJR feels less affected by truck turbulence than my ST did, even though the FJR weighs 100 lbs less.If I want a lightweight sport bike that changes lanes by itself every time a truck goes by