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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Lastly; many claim updated cost millions... That I have to say that they don't know what they are talking about... That is SO UNTRUE... To update a heated grip or a cruise control will cost honda NOTHING. They already have the grip, bike and the engineers. They are already there. Please don't fool yourselves... If you want to change the engine size, yes, it is costly. But that is not the same if you want to change the signal light from yellow to red or to put a better aerodynamic windshield.
    Exactly what I have been saying they should have done around 2007. Most vehicles, not just bikes, have major and minor updates- a major redesign, and half way between major redesigns, an update- usually cosmetic and changes in options. If Honda had changed some plastic, and added the features many of us have been asking for, they would have freshened it up enough to stay competitive for a few more years. Other than the weight (and not all of us complain about that), the ride & handling are very competitive still. Heck, they could have added electronically adjustable suspension while keeping the engine & basic platform the same (or minor tweaks to the engine for more power...always a big selling point!) Making these changes would have resulted in a nearly new model without having to spend the millions on govt testing an all new model would require.


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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    I personally hope that any redesign of the ST doesn't change it too much. I like the fact that the ST does not have all the electronically controlled accessories that manufacturers are putting on there motorcycles these days. I had an 04 BMW K1200GT before the ST. I had to worry about the power assisted ABS brakes failing suddenly which they did on occasion. As I recall the ABS module replacements were about $700.00 and according to the forums, failures were not uncommon. To BMW's credit I think they did away with the power assisted brakes in later models. Others may differ in there opinion but I don't want any additional electronic extra's that can break or fail. I chose the ST because of its reputation for diesel like reliability. I value that over traction control or even heated grips.

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
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    Bmw's gt1600 is nothing but a suped up st1300 if you look at it. My avatar shows my st and my friends gt1600 and that bike almost same size (not weight) as an st1300......
    This thread is full of opinion and not much in the way of facts. Be that as it may you have included this statement which is easily checked against facts. According to BMW's website the K1600GT weighs 732 lbs with panniers and at least 90% full of fuel. My non ABS ST1300 weighs 700 lbs with no panniers and a 100% topped off tank of gas. I'll attach a pair of weight certificates for my 2005 ST1300. Without panniers it weighs 700 lbs and with panniers and the tire repair kit w/compressor in the RH pannier it weighs 720 lbs. ABS adds 9 lbs. It's not much but the heavier bike is 3 lbs more than the ST1300 ABS.



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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    You know the weight of the ST. That's awesome. I've been telling everybody 750#. Guess I was a little high, but probably in the ballpark with all my junk in it and a top case.

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    Badger what you said about the ST ABS system makes sense. The problem with the BMW power assist brakes were that they were not just limited to when the ABS kicked in. They were like power brakes on a car and engaged any time you applied the brake except when they failed to work due to an electronic glitch. Then you went from power to manual. Manual required a substantially heavier pull on the brake lever then the normal power assisted effort. Even a heavier pull then normal manual brakes. Not something you wanted to deal with too often. On occasion the ABS warning light would come on so that you new that your brakes might be in manual mode. In all fairness to BMW I think it may have been related to a flashing tail light bulb the prior owner added even though it was supposedly a pre canbus bike. Perhaps the bulb flashing was changing the load on the brake circuit that the computer was reading. It didn't seem to do it too much after I removed it, replaced the stock bulb and added a hyper-lites instead with a separate Centech fuse box.

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    I think that BMW dropped the servo brakes from all their models in the mid-2000's. I think I recall that there were a couple of law suits over them. IMO, they were an example of unnecessary technology.

    The thing to remember about the K1600 is that it is priced higher than an equivalent GW. I know one GW long-timer who testrode the K1600GTL and liked it, but could not justify the additional $3k +- that it would cost relative to a new Wing.

    This kind-of addresses the reason for the question I posed in the poll, that being what 'what are you willing to pay for an upgraded ST replacement'. BMW owners are happily paying a premium for the K1600 and it is a success. But how many of us would pay $25k ++ for a new ST13?

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    You won't pay $25k for an upgraded ST... like you said, that's Wing territory. The Wing would be upgraded to address the K16, not the ST.
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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    I don't think an upgraded ST needs to be over $20k. The Super Ten has more technology than the current ST for $14k. The FJR is way ahead of it for well under $20k. Currently Honda is trying to sell an $13k bike for $18k while wondering why they aren't selling. Try coming up with $18k worth of bike and see what happens.

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    Quote Originally Posted by nhdiesel View Post
    I don't think an upgraded ST needs to be over $20k. The Super Ten has more technology than the current ST for $14k. The FJR is way ahead of it for well under $20k. Currently Honda is trying to sell an $13k bike for $18k while wondering why they aren't selling. Try coming up with $18k worth of bike and see what happens.

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    +1 I think if they want to keep an ST in a viable market, they have to play with the FJR and C14, keep it under the Trophy and RT price wise. They need to leave the Wing to play with the K16.

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    Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014?

    Here's a thought: Given the relatively small sales number for the ST, and the cost of doing anything to upgrade/change it, maybe Honda has realized it would have to priced as high as the F6B. The other builders (BMW excepted and they are building two bikes from one platform) have nothing to compete directly with the 'Wing so they are free to push their "top" bike. The ST has never been and will never be Honda's top bike. $$$s still rule in the market place.
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