Besides the usual bleeding, servicing calipers, replacing lines, etc., any recommendations for improving the 'wooden' feel of my ST1100 front brakes?
Swapping to a newer master?
Thanks
Swapping to a newer master?
Thanks
+100 - I have both models and my standard has stainless lines - the ABSII still stops a lot better! To get ABSII front calipers, you also have to swap the forks, triple tree, master cylinder and discs and do a little plumbing for the linked part - you could still use the standard front wheel since you don't need the ABS ring.If your bleed was thorough and you still want better brakes, you will have to change to an ABS bike. Those brakes are far better than the non-ABS unit. More pistons equals more response.
No one can recommend a better pad for a non-ABS model? The stock type are the best even if one can afford to wear out some rotors?Johnny, what type of brake pads did you install?. Do not install Sintered pads if the bike is designed for organic as they will eat rotors and give poor stopping when cold. See the attached link https://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?144433-Looking-for-brake-pad-suggestions/page4
Those pads are of a different material, also. And the third pistons are not fully utilized to help slow down the front wheel. They may be stronger, but overall, the ABSII system is not better, IMO.If your bleed was thorough and you still want better brakes, you will have to change to an ABS [ABSII] bike. Those brakes are far better than the non-ABS unit. More pistons equals more response.
these were one of the GG friction rated pads that would fit the ST, but were not a viable replacement pad and should not have been used. EBC also produces a HH friction rated pad that is applicable to the ST. I wouldn't say they're better than OEM, but they are another HH friction alternative to OEM...I put EBC organics on one of my ST's and "wooden" was exactly how I described them.
Where do you find the 'friction rating' on a brake pad? I don't recall seeing this on the OEM package, nor have I ever noticed the code on the back of bike or car pads. Doesn't mean it isn't there - but I usually notice model numbers and letters..... See article below.these were one of the GG friction rated pads that would fit the ST, but were not a viable replacement pad and should not have been used. EBC also produces a HH friction rated pad that is applicable to the ST. I wouldn't say they're better than OEM, but they are another HH friction alternative to OEM.
Interesting that you say that. I take it you have ridden both ABS and Non. My first 1100 was a standard and the subsequent ABS bikes were much better in my opinion and Uncle Phil's.Those pads are of a different material, also. And the third piston is not fully utilized to help slow down the front wheel. They may be stronger, but overall, the ABSII system is not better, IMO.
sometimes its on the pad backing, but I can't say for sure that its always there. I recall the OEM pads having HH in the part number somewhere. You can also generally find it somewhere in the application guides for the pads. The EBC replacement for the ST front pads is part number FA142HH if I remember correctly, so its in the part number as well sometimes.Where do you find the 'friction rating' on a brake pad? I don't recall seeing this on the OEM package, nor have I ever noticed the code on the back of bike or car pads. Doesn't mean it isn't there - but I usually notice model numbers and letters..... See article below.
http://ebcbrakes.com/articles/best-brake-pads-article-part-2/
Mr. Wooster - IMHO,Those pads are of a different material, also. And the third piston is not fully utilized to help slow down the front wheel. They may be stronger, but overall, the ABSII system is not better, IMO.[/SIZE]
The current, Honda part numbers for OEM pads seem to be:... I'll start off with the OEM pads, followed by SS lines.
A less tested alternative:PAD SET (2), FR. BRAKE 45105-ML7-405 $44.78 $37.08
PAD SET, RR. BRAKE 06435-MT3-405 $42.53 $35.22
Where should he look for front, stainless steel brake lines?I have very good feel and very good stopping power with my non-ABS brakes using Volar Kevlar brake pads, front and rear. $16 (with shipping ) for the set....
I got mine from Galfer, many, many, years ago. They would be worth a phone call, if they no longer carry them in stock for the ST1100 they might be able to point you to someone who does, or they may make custom lines to order.Where should he look for front, stainless steel brake lines?
He should send me an email. I have a set of S.S. brakes lines ( +2 inch ) that I'll let go for $50. Only used one year before I installed my home-brew 4 inch handlebar risers and installed a custom made set of longer rubber brake hoses from Brake Materials and Parts in Ft. Wayne..Quote Originally Posted by DaveWooster View Post
Where should he look for front, stainless steel brake lines?