ridiculous?? Please explain?The whole 5th gear roll on is ridiculous
ridiculous?? Please explain?The whole 5th gear roll on is ridiculous
all mpg comparison's were done with actual readings from fuel pumps and a phone calculator. These comparison's were actual mpg, neither of us at any time look at the screen's on our bike's. Mike and I both dog the hell out of our bike's on these rides---I perhaps a bit harder.I do not believe the MPG calculator on the bike, I log all fills in to a phone app. and track it religiously.
I resisted comment also, as the tests were rather unscientific. Having owned an ST13 and now an FJR, they are both good bikes and I wouldn't sway you from either one. It's just a matter of what suits the individual. Mileage..... regular vs. premium, even steven? I do have to comment on the power factor, not that both won't enjoy a spirited ride together and keep up with each other no problem, but in a drag race, the FJR will definitely win hands down. Spin it up to 6000 rpm and it will go, but we don't own these bikes to drag race.I knew when I read the beginning of this post yesterday there would be a lot of controversy. But there are so many variables at play here. What we know is that both bike are good to great motorcycles and have a lot of great attributes. But there are things that influence simple things like fuel economy. Two riders riding the same bike will get different results. I have proven this with me and my wife. Regardless of the bike she always gets 5 mpg better. Why? Partly because of an 80 pound weight difference, and because my throttle control I like to twist the throttle maybe a little more than her.
Handling while both bike may be good the rider makes a world of difference. Do you really think you could ride Marc Marquez RC213 to it's potential? Absolutely not, in fact you may get off and say it is the worst handling motorcycle that you have ridden.
The point here is that the test that Jonjonboo and his friend did was just a simple test and he relayed comments back. Take it for what it is no more no less.
I know for me when I bought my 2008 ST1300 this spring one of the major factors for me was fuel economy. Over 86 fills I average 47.33 mpg with a high of 57.11 and a low of 36.19. I do not believe the MPG calculator on the bike, I log all fills in to a phone app. and track it religiously.
I am certain if anyone would have a good idea about comparing these bikes it would be you sir. The comparison we did our last 4 day ride was not a technical dyno wiz road report, just noting the basic differences between his 2011 (total stock) FJR and my 2007 ST1300 .Well . . . for what it's worth, I have some experience with both the ST and the MOD 3 FJR (came out in 2013) and the FJR in "Sport" mode nearly threw me off the back of the bike when I first switched out of "Touring" mode. I suspect if "the test" described in Post #1 were run with a Mod 3 FJR . . . there would be a dramatic result difference.
The major difference this points out between the Honda and the Yamaha comparison is that Yamaha continues to support the improvement of their model and is responsive to user input. Heated grips and a great cruise control also come stock with the FJR since 2013 and . . . it costs less (at least when I bought mine).
Gas mileage . . . so many variables, as already mentioned. My experience is that I'm getting 3-5 mpg better on the FJR . . . consistently. Perhaps that was another improvement that came with the Mod 3 design. Can't say.
The ST design favors touring over sport, while the FJR is the opposite. For touring, the ST has a better wind protected pocket for the rider than the FJR. For sport riding in the twisties, the FJR is lighter, quicker and more nimble and responsive. Let me also note that I'm not a good enough rider to ride either of these horses to anywhere near their potential.
Over 300k on three STs and am now up to 75k on my FJR . . . both are great bikes, each with advantages over the other and each with limitations not shared with the other.
Ride what you got, don't worry . . . be happy!
Shuey
EXACTLY - I have heard this from several dealers, and Reps. at Bike Shows. Honda will not do anything that would cut into the sales of their beloved GW. Cruise, and other stuff, on the ST13 , would do just that.If Honda put a cruise on the ST. People will stop buying the wing.
And I've always thought that point was odd (not addressing you ESB, but rather the point you bring up). Perhaps it would cut into sales of the GW, but so what... Honda would still have a bike to sell that interests riders. Instead, not offering cruise control (as an example) causes folks to look elsewhere when all competitor bikes offer cruise control (and more). In my opinion, not offering cruise control loses sales that Honda could be keeping.EXACTLY - I have heard this from several dealers, and Reps. at Bike Shows. Honda will not do anything that would cut into the sales of their beloved GW. Cruise, and other stuff, on the ST13 , would do just that.
Absolutely . . . and an ST with heated grips and a good cruise, for a price comparable with an FJR, would be a definite buy for me. I really enjoyed my STs. But for now, for me, bike for the money . . . FJR is the better choice.The main reason for posting this is to raise interest in riders that want Honda to keep selling the ST1300 in the USA, do you believe they should do slight upgrades and sell here again?
Wikipedia - Curb weight (US English) or kerb weight (UK English) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, air conditioning refrigerant, and a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.(Does "curb weight" equal "wet weight"?)
I don't buy a bike because of gas mileage, so that's not a performance category to me. BTW most people/road tests report about 40 mpg for both bikes and that's what I got with my ST.your baiting me right??? did you not read that My ST got 10-25% better gas mileage at every fill up??
well your ST must have had issue's because mine consistently gets 46-50 mpg (sometimes 51) in the summer months. It gets @ 38-42 in the winter. If you don't think gas mileage is important then you are a rare type of rider and I find your attitude in this forum confrontational and annoying.I don't buy a bike because of gas mileage, so that's not a performance category to me. BTW most people/road tests report about 40 mpg for both bikes and that's what I got with my ST.
look at this topic on Sport Touring
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php?topic=64890.0#.VgdeO8tViko
Shuey - Standard ST has no ABS and no power windshield. Like on my 2003.(what's the difference between standard and deluxe?)
There is no standard definition for curb weight. It's just simple assumption the vehicle has all fluids and standard equipment to operate and move. A pint of gas allows this - a full tank of gas OTOH adds 40 or 50 lbs and some manufacturers do not include a full load of fuel, batteries, saddlebags, tool kits, etc.Wikipedia - Curb weight (US English) or kerb weight (UK English) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, air conditioning refrigerant, and a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.