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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by BakerBoy View Post
    Now that I've had my RT for about 6 months...

    I'm enjoying the bike (2016 BMW R1200RT, with Dynamic ESA, Keyless Ride, GPS Ready, TPMS, Audio System, Cruise, heated stuff, wonderwheel, ...).

    The vibrations inherent in the opposing-twin engine aren't to my liking (I miss the ST's V-4), but it is what it is.

    A few things that need improved on the RT:
    --The audio system (promising, but falls short in practice)
    --Small fairing pockets
    --Reduce the many adjoining seams and openings on the front fairing of the bike--bugs and dirt are difficult to remove in those seams. (Save your "ride more, clean less" comments for someone else.)
    --Improved panel fastening. Some lower-panel gromets are loose, the lower right panel has one gromet that isn't always staying fitted/latched.
    --Tipover protection

    The largest detractor (annoyance?) so far has been the factory audio system. I'm using a Zumo 660 (fits in the factory 'GPS Ready' cradle) and a Sena 20S (I am not using BMW's $$$ Navigator nor BMW's $$$ Bluetooth helmet). The nagging issue is that anytime a non-BMW device puts sound onto the Bluetooth system, the bike's Bluetooth system doesn't always resume (the dash still indicates BT is functional/paired). Most often, when an arriving message or phone call is transmitted from my iPhone onto the audio system, the Sena system rightly gives it priority over music it had been playing, and it transmits the iPhone sound on the BT audio channel. But then the Sena or BMW audio system (?which?) rarely resumes music streaming onto the BT audio channel. If rebooting my Sena doesn't cause the BMW audio system to re-initiate the connection and resume music streaming, then I have to pull over and shut down the bike--most often a bike reboot is required to get back to normal audio function. I've managed to get that audio problem lessened by deleting the iPhone pairing to the Zumo GPS (losing ability to see or make phone calls on the GPS screen, therefore have since mounted the phone to the handlebars so it is visible). I also just updated my Sena 20S firmware from 1.6.3 to 1.7.5 and have restored factory defaults on it in hopes that will help (not yet tested).

    Without going into the detail, the RT has great handling, is full of great features, has surprisingly good power, is lightweight, has good weather protection, is easy to maintain, and more. It is modern, and is what the Honda ST should have been updated to by now.

    Overall, the pluses are greatly outweigh the minuses, and I'm glad to have this bike.
    Great looking ride and thank you for the feedback! I dont' tend to keep my bikes very long (usually about a year) and am getting the itch to try something new!

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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow View Post
    ST Owners still outnumber the non ST Owners.... I think... come on Honda!
    Just my opinion, but I think Honda is still tops in terms of reliability. And when it comes to level of satisfaction among owners, don't forget, STer's have been touting their rides on here for years. And look at the following that Goldwings have had. And another, my Honda VFR1200X-DCT continues to thrill. To me, performance trumps multiple electronic features. However, I do appreciate the abs and traction control on the VFR.
    Sigh. Almost forgot, this is meant to be a BMW thread, lol!

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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by BakerBoy View Post

    The largest detractor (annoyance?) so far has been the factory audio system. I'm using a Zumo 660 (fits in the factory 'GPS Ready' cradle) and a Sena 20S (I am not using BMW's $$$ Navigator nor BMW's $$$ Bluetooth helmet). The nagging issue is that anytime a non-BMW device puts sound onto the Bluetooth system, the bike's Bluetooth system doesn't always resume (the dash still indicates BT is functional/paired). Most often, when an arriving message or phone call is transmitted from my iPhone onto the audio system, the Sena system rightly gives it priority over music it had been playing, and it transmits the iPhone sound on the BT audio channel. But then the Sena or BMW audio system (?which?) rarely resumes music streaming onto the BT audio channel. If rebooting my Sena doesn't cause the BMW audio system to re-initiate the connection and resume music streaming, then I have to pull over and shut down the bike--most often a bike reboot is required to get back to normal audio function. I've managed to get that audio problem lessened by deleting the iPhone pairing to the Zumo GPS (losing ability to see or make phone calls on the GPS screen, therefore have since mounted the phone to the handlebars so it is visible). I also just updated my Sena 20S firmware from 1.6.3 to 1.7.5 and have restored factory defaults on it in hopes that will help (not yet tested).
    JB, I have long since left the GPS out of the pairing with my RT. Yes, it can be nice to see who's calling, but other than that, trying to manage calls through the GPS is a PITA since it's a long reach to the GPS with my short arms and the functionality doesn't interact with the Wonder Wheel.

    I pair the 20S to my phone as a mobile phone, then pair the 20S to the BMW also as a mobile phone (not a second mobile phone). Apparently the bike can only pair as A2DP and somehow this approach works. My phone is an Android (S7 Edge) so I simply press the phone button on the 20S, say "OK Google, call Baker Boy" and voila, your phone is ringing. I can't ID incoming calls, but it's easy to hang up! I rarely have had an issue with the audio not coming back after a phone call or Google interaction, although I recall that happening a couple times when I asked Google something it couldn't figure out so it kept searching... Turning the 20S off and back on solved it.

    Most of all I like the 20S for accessing audio sources from the BMW audio system because the 20S has an audio out jack. I plug in my nice Klipsch or Shure sound attenuating earbuds and get way better sound quality than helmet speakers. I'd wear ear plugs anyway, so inserting earbuds before putting on my helmet doesn't take any longer and I'm not hardwired to the bike. I get longer battery life on the 20S since the drivers are so much smaller in the earbuds. I have practically my entire music collection on a tiny USB thumb drive (like this) plugged into the USB port in the (sadly small) right fairing pocket. I can set the system to play random tracks, a certain artist, album or artist, etc. Plus the BMW audio has AM, FM, Satellite (which sucks in heavily forested New England), and Weather Band. And I can still connect bike-to-bike with the 20S.

    Another advantage over pairing with the GPS is that music volume drops but doesn't cut out entirely when a GPS prompt comes on. That's much more pleasing to hear than the abrupt cut out of music when a GPS prompt comes on, as happens when paired to the GPS.

    I set my phone with call audio enabled and media audio disabled. That allows phone calls to route through the 20S, and all audio sources from the BMW (music, radio bands, GPS prompts...) to route through the 20S.
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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by catcher View Post
    Just my opinion, but I think Honda is still tops in terms of reliability. And when it comes to level of satisfaction among owners, don't forget, STer's have been touting their rides on here for years.
    +1 I've never been unhappy with the durability and reliability of any Honda I've owned at that was the reason for getting an ST (when I knew nothing about them!) over a cheaper FJR and Concours.

    I do like the keyless ignition on my buddy's R1200GS. That and these two things:

    https://player.vimeo.com/video/228380927

    would get me to buy an updated ST.



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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    JB, I have long since left the GPS out of the pairing with my RT. Yes, it can be nice to see who's calling, but other than that, trying to manage calls through the GPS is a PITA since it's a long reach to the GPS with my short arms and the functionality doesn't interact with the Wonder Wheel.

    I pair the 20S to my phone as a mobile phone, then pair the 20S to the BMW also as a mobile phone (not a second mobile phone). Apparently the bike can only pair as A2DP and somehow this approach works. My phone is an Android (S7 Edge) so I simply press the phone button on the 20S, say "OK Google, call Baker Boy" and voila, your phone is ringing. I can't ID incoming calls, but it's easy to hang up! I rarely have had an issue with the audio not coming back after a phone call or Google interaction, although I recall that happening a couple times when I asked Google something it couldn't figure out so it kept searching... Turning the 20S off and back on solved it.

    Most of all I like the 20S for accessing audio sources from the BMW audio system because the 20S has an audio out jack. I plug in my nice Klipsch or Shure sound attenuating earbuds and get way better sound quality than helmet speakers. I'd wear ear plugs anyway, so inserting earbuds before putting on my helmet doesn't take any longer and I'm not hardwired to the bike. I get longer battery life on the 20S since the drivers are so much smaller in the earbuds. I have practically my entire music collection on a tiny USB thumb drive (like this) plugged into the USB port in the (sadly small) right fairing pocket. I can set the system to play random tracks, a certain artist, album or artist, etc. Plus the BMW audio has AM, FM, Satellite (which sucks in heavily forested New England), and Weather Band. And I can still connect bike-to-bike with the 20S.

    Another advantage over pairing with the GPS is that music volume drops but doesn't cut out entirely when a GPS prompt comes on. That's much more pleasing to hear than the abrupt cut out of music when a GPS prompt comes on, as happens when paired to the GPS.

    I set my phone with call audio enabled and media audio disabled. That allows phone calls to route through the 20S, and all audio sources from the BMW (music, radio bands, GPS prompts...) to route through the 20S.
    Thanks for the info Bones. I had a longer reply written, but lost it to one of those IE Site Security popups. Now that I've dropped the phone-to-GPS pairing, things got along much better. My 20S is paired to the iPhone, and the 20S is also paried to the bike's Rider (first) BT connection. Nothing is connected to the bike's Passenger (second) BT connection. I too use a 64GB USB mini drive full of my music, with Etymotic or Shure sound isolating earbuds driven from my 20S. But I've added an inline volume control between my 20S and the earbud jack as it is too loud otherwise. Maybe the 20S firmware update and reset to factory defaults will obviate that ... and pie. I'll try tomorrow.
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    Re: 2016 BMW 1200RT

    Quote Originally Posted by BakerBoy View Post
    Thanks for the info Bones. I had a longer reply written, but lost it to one of those IE Site Security popups. Now that I've dropped the phone-to-GPS pairing, things got along much better. My 20S is paired to the iPhone, and the 20S is also paried to the bike's Rider (first) BT connection. Nothing is connected to the bike's Passenger (second) BT connection. I too use a 64GB USB mini drive full of my music, with Etymotic or Shure sound isolating earbuds driven from my 20S. But I've added an inline volume control between my 20S and the earbud jack as it is too loud otherwise. Maybe the 20S firmware update and reset to factory defaults will obviate that ... and pie. I'll try tomorrow.
    The volume with my 20S originally could not get turned low enough while wearing ear buds. One of the firmware updates seemed to fix that. Do the 20S update and do a factory reset. Remove the 20S from the phone and bike pairings. Repair your phone and the bike one at a time with the other powered down as you pair each.

    As I recall, there was also a way to adjust the master volume levels on the bike via a screen GPS. Yes, even though the GPS isn't involved in the pairings it had an impact on the volume levels out of the bike. Make sure the GPS is fully updated, too. An annoying electric ticking that came through the audio stream when the Nav 5 GPS was installed was fixed with a Garmin update...might be something to update on your GPS as well.

    In any case, I can turn down the volume to nearly off, so I can hear someone right next to me talking.

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