(Screw, Pan (5mm) - Pn 91508-MM5-000)
O.K., you're going under the airbox to do some repair or farkling. When, one of those phillips head pan screws holding the base funnels on lets you know there isn't a phillips-head screw driver mean enough to take it out
.
You do know that they were first labeled as "self evacuating" because that's what happens to the tools used to try and remove them, they just leave the head no matter what you do some times.
Anyway, you break out the power tools and proceed to remove it forceably. Now before I broke out the big guns I tried a Craftsman Screw-Out to no avail. Although once hooked up to a 3/8" reversible drill they did a good job of removing the head and washer part of the screw (exhibit 1).
Now I didn't even bother to call the Honda dealer for basically two reasons; 1) They USUALLY DON'T STOCK ANY PARTS and 2) because I didn't want another phillips head fastener.
After my usual net surfing looking for a source I stopped at the local Home Depot on the way home from work. I picked up 1 bag containing two 5mm x 20mm allen head cap screws, 2 bags of #10 5/16" x 1/2" aluminum spacers, and 1 bag of 12 #10 stainless cut washers. Now you're probably wondering how is this going to fix my problem. Have a look at exhibit 2.
Now for those of you that have had close encounters with this fastener you're going to say that the shank is not 1/2" long and you're right. You have to shorten the spacers to the proper length, about .3795". How you do it depends on the tools you have at hand or your friends have at their disposal. I have a small combination lath/mill so I simply turned them down to length. Once the spacers are cut down simply assemble the parts and eureka, and not the new TV series on the Sci-Fi channel on cable .
Will it work, just look at exhibit 3. So for a grand total of $3.15, plus a few minutes shortening the spacers, I have 2 fasteners that will not cause me any problems in the future because the "self evacuating," I mean phillip driver stripped another head. Oh, and for those who may chime in about using an impact wrench... I tried and no luck.
For those who are wondering what it would cost to replace all 8 of those pieces of ~hit screws I'll save you the trouble of doing the math.
4 bags of screws @ $0.53 = $2.12
8 bags of spacers @ $0.70 = $5.60
1 bag of washers @ $0.98 = $0.98
Sub-total = $8.70
Just add your local tax.
If I remember correctly Service Honda wanted $2.18 @ screw so you're saving over half and you won't have any trouble getting them out. Providing you don't take advantage of the drive power of the allen to tighten them.
UPDATE and WARNING!
After getting the rest of the parts to make a complete set I installed them tonight. Before putting on the top funnels I took a picture of my work. I then put the top funnels on and went about working on my Turbo City modified air box lid. While waiting for the silcone to dry and put it on the bike I sat at the computer and decided to look at the new pictures I had taken. When I got to this picture I about s_it my drawers.
(Edited to add missing image - see last attachment image.)
If you don't see why take a closer look inside the top left injector housing. Remember I already had the top funnels installed. Someone was looking out for me tonight.
Needless to say I took it all apart to verify everything else was where it should be and that this was the only one that had fallen out during the installation. What really scared me was I had done some work on my cruise control and warmed the bike up to verify that things were OK with it. I even bleeped the throttle slightly while it was warming.
Here is where I made the mistake. When putting on the lower funnels I would put the screw assembly in the pocket. I didn't think about the fact that the spacer went through the hole in the bottom and nothing would hold it in place. The spacer actually fits in the base plate. When I went to put this one on the spacer apparently slipped off the screw and into the housing. The screw tightened like all the other screws and there was no indication that anything was different or wrong.
The reason I'm posting this information is to make everyone else aware of the dangers of this fix/modification. I had thought about putting some form of adhesive on the assemblies to make them a single piece unit like the factory piece but was in a hurry and told myself I would do it the next time it is apart. Don't make my mistake. I was lucky this time it could have cost me an engine had it fallen past the butterfly.
Learn from my mistakes instead of repeating them.
O.K., you're going under the airbox to do some repair or farkling. When, one of those phillips head pan screws holding the base funnels on lets you know there isn't a phillips-head screw driver mean enough to take it out
.You do know that they were first labeled as "self evacuating" because that's what happens to the tools used to try and remove them, they just leave the head no matter what you do some times
.Anyway, you break out the power tools and proceed to remove it forceably. Now before I broke out the big guns I tried a Craftsman Screw-Out to no avail. Although once hooked up to a 3/8" reversible drill they did a good job of removing the head and washer part of the screw (exhibit 1).
Now I didn't even bother to call the Honda dealer for basically two reasons; 1) They USUALLY DON'T STOCK ANY PARTS and 2) because I didn't want another phillips head fastener.
After my usual net surfing looking for a source I stopped at the local Home Depot on the way home from work. I picked up 1 bag containing two 5mm x 20mm allen head cap screws, 2 bags of #10 5/16" x 1/2" aluminum spacers, and 1 bag of 12 #10 stainless cut washers. Now you're probably wondering how is this going to fix my problem. Have a look at exhibit 2.
Now for those of you that have had close encounters with this fastener you're going to say that the shank is not 1/2" long and you're right. You have to shorten the spacers to the proper length, about .3795". How you do it depends on the tools you have at hand or your friends have at their disposal. I have a small combination lath/mill so I simply turned them down to length. Once the spacers are cut down simply assemble the parts and eureka, and not the new TV series on the Sci-Fi channel on cable
.Will it work, just look at exhibit 3. So for a grand total of $3.15, plus a few minutes shortening the spacers, I have 2 fasteners that will not cause me any problems in the future because the "self evacuating," I mean phillip driver stripped another head. Oh, and for those who may chime in about using an impact wrench... I tried and no luck.
For those who are wondering what it would cost to replace all 8 of those pieces of ~hit screws I'll save you the trouble of doing the math.
4 bags of screws @ $0.53 = $2.12
8 bags of spacers @ $0.70 = $5.60
1 bag of washers @ $0.98 = $0.98
Sub-total = $8.70
Just add your local tax.
If I remember correctly Service Honda wanted $2.18 @ screw so you're saving over half and you won't have any trouble getting them out. Providing you don't take advantage of the drive power of the allen to tighten them.
UPDATE and WARNING!
After getting the rest of the parts to make a complete set I installed them tonight. Before putting on the top funnels I took a picture of my work. I then put the top funnels on and went about working on my Turbo City modified air box lid. While waiting for the silcone to dry and put it on the bike I sat at the computer and decided to look at the new pictures I had taken. When I got to this picture I about s_it my drawers
.(Edited to add missing image - see last attachment image.)
If you don't see why take a closer look inside the top left injector housing. Remember I already had the top funnels installed. Someone was looking out for me tonight.
Needless to say I took it all apart to verify everything else was where it should be and that this was the only one that had fallen out during the installation. What really scared me was I had done some work on my cruise control and warmed the bike up to verify that things were OK with it. I even bleeped the throttle slightly while it was warming.
Here is where I made the mistake. When putting on the lower funnels I would put the screw assembly in the pocket. I didn't think about the fact that the spacer went through the hole in the bottom and nothing would hold it in place. The spacer actually fits in the base plate. When I went to put this one on the spacer apparently slipped off the screw and into the housing. The screw tightened like all the other screws and there was no indication that anything was different or wrong.
The reason I'm posting this information is to make everyone else aware of the dangers of this fix/modification. I had thought about putting some form of adhesive on the assemblies to make them a single piece unit like the factory piece but was in a hurry and told myself I would do it the next time it is apart. Don't make my mistake. I was lucky this time it could have cost me an engine had it fallen past the butterfly.
Learn from my mistakes instead of repeating them.
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