Doug, Its a good thing you don't have a horse. :bow1:
Tony Worrall (spelling?) makes one. I love mine.
What speed wind will tip over a parked bike?
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You need to order the Pendle parking brake kit from Tony over the pond then. He makes them for both the 1100 and 1300. I do believe he is a member on this forum, but I can't remember his handle.
the Ferret
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Yes I do that DRT, and sometimes even yell at my wife "lean right" and she leans to the right to help get it straightened up. lol
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I got caught in a storm last summer right after I saw a funnel cloud. I stopped under a bridge thinking that I had enough time to put my rain gear on. Three other bike also stopped and all where Harley's. I got soaking wet before I could get my rain gear on. The rain was blowing sideways. One of the Harley's blew over. The wind was hitting square on the side of the side stand. I quickly moved to the side of the ST and stood there until I could ride again. I was really worried that all of us would get taken by a tornado or a run over by a car, because you could only see a few feet from us.
Mickey maybe you can try a couple sand bags in the right pannier
That might be a problem on those BMWs that had the auto-retracting side stand. Get on the bike and raise it to riding position and the stand retracts once weight is off it.SMSW said:
A factory parking brake would be great. I didn't realize any bike had one from the factory. I've got the Pendle Parking Brake from Tony Worall. It's been very handy.dduelin said:
Once we find the terminal velocity for TOWS (Tip Over Wind Speed) we an work on fabricating or sourcing a bike-mounted:
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You know... Just to be safe.
That's what I do too. I also make sure to allow the bike to roll forward (or back if I'm facing uphill) to take up any slack in the transmission before setting it on the sidestand.
The NC700X comes with a parking brake which comes in very handy. I miss not having one on the ST. They make a lot of sense.I would guess it's the auto transmission model. I haven't seen a parking brake on the one with the clutch. You can push a scooter around when the motor is off. My wife had a Kymco Downtown 300 and you had to be careful it was level where you parked it (no parking brake) I was coaching a BRC2 class last weekend and one guy have a Burgman scooter. He would try to take off and nothing then he would pull the lever and I would here the brake release "thunk".
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Yes, the Dual Clutch Transmission model NC700X has a parking brake, the manual transmission one does not. That one you leave in gear. Scooters 'without' an apparent parking brake usually have one built into the left brake lever for the rear wheel. Some sort of rachet mechanism or a little lever you flip out to catch and hold the brake lever squeezed will hold the brake and release the starter interlock. It's a DOT requirement the engine not start without the brake engaged.
I'm assuming the last sentence above is a reference to the first sentence. I've never owned or ridden a bike with a side stand that retracts by itself when the bike is raised up to vertical. I can visualize times where that would present a hazard.
I remember the Cavalcade that I had didn't have anything to prevent shifting into gear and riding off with the stand still down. It did have a rather large icon on the LCD in the instrument panel that indicated when the SS was down, but there were a few times that I failed to notice it - on one of those occasions I nearly dropped the beast in the street when I started to make a left-hander!
My wifes Kymco had no way to to hold the rear brake on, but it had to be squeezed to start it.
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You gotta have something to think about when your stuck at work on a beautiful day and your motorcycle is in the parking lot. Certainly not going to think about working
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:work4:You gotta have something to think about when your stuck at work on a beautiful day and your motorcycle is in the parking lot. Certainly not going to think about working
Now you've plenty of time to ride. :yes:
Given the relationship of those two sentences that would be the correct thing to do.Don B said:
Well yeah. Raise the bike up the stand swings up and then lean the bike back down without benefit of the side stand being lowered. Bad. I think that would be the most common hazard.Don B said:
The ST is the only bike I've ever owned out of many that had any kind of interlock related to the side stand. I'd driven off a couple of times on one or two of them with the side stand down. I learned not to to that. I knew I wasn't supposed to do that. That's what the auto-retracting side stand was designed to prevent (as the result of a law suit)— pilot error. You'd think with that logic every motorcycle would have self-canceling turn signals.
Kind of like shutting the car door before driving off. Right hand turns could be dicey. Luckily we have Door Ajar lights and buzzers and all kinds of alerts and seat belts to protect us.
The politicians tipped it over? With all their windy talking (since that is the origin of the nickname)?
An internet search:
While Chicago is widely known as the "Windy City", it is not the windiest city in the United States. Some of the windier cities recorded by the NOAA/NCDC are Mount Washington, NH at 35.1 mph, Blue Hill, MA at 15.2 mph, Dodge City, KS at 13.9 mph, Amarillo, Texas at 13.5 mph and Lubbock, Texas at 12.4 mph (20 km/h).[3] Chicago is not significantly windier than any other U.S. city. For example, the average annual wind speed of Chicago is 10.3 mph; Boston: 12.4 mph; Central Park, New York City: 9.3 mph; and Los Angeles: 7.5 mph.
"The average mope believes Chicago was so dubbed because it's windy, meteorologically speaking. The more sophisticated set thinks the term originated in a comment by Charles Dana, editor of the New York Sun in the 1890s. Annoyed by the vocal (and ultimately successful) efforts of Chicago civic leaders to land the world's fair celebrating Columbus's discovery of America, Dana urged his readers to ignore "the nonsensical claims of that windy city"--windy meaning excessively talkative."
While Chicago is widely known as the "Windy City", it is not the windiest city in the United States. Some of the windier cities recorded by the NOAA/NCDC are Mount Washington, NH at 35.1 mph, Blue Hill, MA at 15.2 mph, Dodge City, KS at 13.9 mph, Amarillo, Texas at 13.5 mph and Lubbock, Texas at 12.4 mph (20 km/h).[3] Chicago is not significantly windier than any other U.S. city. For example, the average annual wind speed of Chicago is 10.3 mph; Boston: 12.4 mph; Central Park, New York City: 9.3 mph; and Los Angeles: 7.5 mph.
"The average mope believes Chicago was so dubbed because it's windy, meteorologically speaking. The more sophisticated set thinks the term originated in a comment by Charles Dana, editor of the New York Sun in the 1890s. Annoyed by the vocal (and ultimately successful) efforts of Chicago civic leaders to land the world's fair celebrating Columbus's discovery of America, Dana urged his readers to ignore "the nonsensical claims of that windy city"--windy meaning excessively talkative."
Going back to the original question which was innocent enough and basically ignored by most of the posts, I think a quick calculation with a bunch of unknowns (level pavement, protective surroundings, top box, windshield placement, what's in the pannier, etc.) in the mix would have a ST1300 tipped over in a wind of 60 to 70 mph. Center of gravity of the motorcycle is also an unknown and it has a great effect on stability on the side stand. I measured the tilt at 16 degrees, but I have a plate on the bottom of my side stand that may change the tilt a bit. Surely there is someone who can verify or vilify my estimation.