Electric Chain Saw

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We rented an aerial lift two days ago, and using @sirbike's Stihl MSA120C chain saw, I pruned several trees - removing dead limbs that would be problematic when they fell. This saw has a 12" bar and weighs 9# wet (bar, chain, battery, oil). It was perfect - with my rotator cuff injuries I was still able to hold the saw out at full arm extension and it cut 3" dead oak limbs quickly. I'm sold, and will be looking for an electric saw. This model has been replaced by a similar size/weight saw, the 160.

Before I leap, does anyone have any experience with these smaller, pruning saws (any brand) aimed at homeowners and not professionals? I have a gas powered MS250 and MS311 for bigger stuff and both have handled everything I've encountered (including that big maple in another post) to date, but they are too heavy for aerial use.
 
One of my customers is a professional surveyor, and uses one of the Stihl battery type chainsaws. I do not recall what model it is, but in general, he seems to buy the higher end tools. He is a BIG fan of the saw, and says he can use it all day on one charge, and have some left over. Granted, he is not cutting non-stop, but, looking at the tool, it has seen a lot of use over a few years. I asked him if it was a bit underpowered, but he says it does everything a similar sized gas unit will do, as well as being quieter, and lighter.
He liked it enough that he bought other Stihl landscape tools, all electric.
 
We rented an aerial lift two days ago, and using @sirbike's Stihl MSA120C chain saw, I pruned several trees - removing dead limbs that would be problematic when they fell. This saw has a 12" bar and weighs 9# wet (bar, chain, battery, oil). It was perfect - with my rotator cuff injuries I was still able to hold the saw out at full arm extension and it cut 3" dead oak limbs quickly. I'm sold, and will be looking for an electric saw. This model has been replaced by a similar size/weight saw, the 160.

Before I leap, does anyone have any experience with these smaller, pruning saws (any brand) aimed at homeowners and not professionals? I have a gas powered MS250 and MS311 for bigger stuff and both have handled everything I've encountered (including that big maple in another post) to date, but they are too heavy for aerial use.
I have the dewalt and it works as well as my husquvarna (350?) but 12AH gets about half an hour cut time, plenty for me since I'm doing downed trees and spend a bunch of time moving the cut pieces. It's also nice to not have to choose between keeping a chainsaw running and restarting it all the time. 18" bar and I've had plenty of trees that use the whole thing.
 
I have a Makita electric 36 volt and it is great. It has all the power I need to fell a tree and chop it up. It drains the batteries pretty quick, so it wouldnt be good for a day of cutting without at least 4 backup batteries. It uses 2x 18 volt batteries at a time. I have lots of batteries so I have never had an issue, short of having to change them out every 30 minutes or so. A friend used it briefly one day and was impressed with it and he is a professional tree removal guy. He said if it wasnt for the batteries running out too soon, he would own one or two
 
I have a pro level Husky chainsaw, but what I use most often for trimming is a cordless recip saw. I have the regular two-handed one, and a single handed one. What I like about the recip is carbide pruning blades last a long time and don't require periodic re-sharpening like a chain, and you can cut roots and other stuff in the dirt without trashing the blade like you would with a chain. I have a 12" Diablo blade that I've used to cut 6-8" stuff quite easily and reasonably quickly.
 
I have an old Remington electric (corded) 14(?) inch saw. It does a lot of what I need around the house but I can't take it out of sight of an outlet. I've beat on it and it still goes. Sure beats a finicky 2-stroke.
 
I bought an Ego battery powered elect chainsaw a few weeks ago. Got great reviews. Haven't had a chance to use it yet so can't say how I like it. The batteries for these boogers are heavy, but I don't need a chain saw very often and got tired of messing with premix, and carburetors, and our battery powered weedwhackers, leaf blowers and hedge trimmers have proven themselves to be good durable dependable tools. Figured it was time for an elect chainsaw. Gave my gas powered one to the grandkids who are becoming tool lovers.
 
I have been using electric chain saws for my Larson and Son Tree Service business for more than 10 years now. Early on it was the Dewalt chainsaw to bring up the tree with me so I didn't need gas and could start it with a trigger pull instead of multiple pull-cord attempts. Was a good switch except the early Dewalt had a design problem that continually tossed chains. The 2nd design was more relyable.

About 8 years back, I've started using these cheap Greenworks saws. Have been very satisfied except for when I went looking to replace my 24" bar Husqvarna 55cc saw with electric. Again, early adapter issue. At the time their "55cc equivalent" was brand new and junk. The CSB412 I received would cut 3 or 4 times, overheat and be useless for a half hour. I'd be confident about buying their next gen 3.0kW saw now.

Note: All my Greenworks saws are the 80V and non-professional line. I don't want their 82V "pro" saws for 4x the cost because I have too many 80V batteries and because I've fine with needing to spend another $150 every few years for a new saw.

Yesterday we took down, cut up and stacked 4 60 foot tall, 24" diameter birch trees using just 2 CSB410 saws and 8 batteries. No gas needed yet but tomorrow I'll probably pull out the Husky to finish stump cuts at ground level.

These Greenworks are all China made, cheap but durable enough for me. If not locked-in to a battery, the lower voltages may be more than enough for your casual use. You'll spend 3 to 5 times more for a battery Husky or Stihl and I'm sure they are better and may not be as embedded in the "throw-away" culture. The Greenworks seem about equivalent to EGO. My multi-year experience is only with Dwalt and Greenworks.

I have a good friend and electronics guru who has torn into my CSB412 "55cc equivalent" disappointment and did a great write-up on the saws and batteries and the throw-away culture. He also has a bunch of work and observations on some battery fueled trials bikes which deserve another post and link to let people find it. Here's a link to his Saw Writeup.

Later,
Kent Larson in Minnesota
 
I decided on Ryobi 40V outdoor equipment. I have a lawnmower, weedwhacker, blower, pole saw and 14" chainsaw.

Got the chainsaw as an open box, tool only, deal for $100 a few years ago. It was clear the saw had never been used, so good deal. It works fine IMO and I've had 2 or 3 small gas engine saws over the years as comparators.

The great thing about battery powered tools is no 2 stoke oil mixing and no starting issues. I have periodic rotator cuff issues and and starting up these things was a PITA, or maybe a PITS.
 
If you already have a battery tool platform, stick with that brand. Then you do not have to buy extra batteries.

My dad has the newer Dewalt chain saw. I was surprised on how well and long it runs on the 5ah battery. I can cut most limb and small trees that a gas saw can cut. It is a little slower than a gas saw, but it still gets the job done.
 
Since the above was TLDR (Too Long Didn't Read)...

Here is a link to my friend Jim's writeup on Throw-Away Greenworks Chainsaws.
He also has some interesting work on electric powered trials bikes on his site.

Later,
Kent Larson in Minnesota
Thanks Kent.
I believe I'll be making a decision at some point about a lawn mower and/or a chainsaw.
Our neighbours have a good brand mix of mowers to get feedback from but not slot of chainsaws. I've been keeping our 20 plus year (maybe 25) old Lawnboy mower working with minimal maintenence. Only a handful of neighbour's have cordless.
I've been thinking of replacing my father's 30 or 40 year old McCullough 120cc 2-stroke chainsaw for years. I've overhauled the carburetor only once but the fuel mixing has to be right or rich. It's amazing. It cuts continuously. Just add gas and bar oil. I have been using it alot lately because of past and recent storm damage. A friend had a huge silver maple come down. It was a couple of days work. One can of mixed fuel. Then our white pine blew over. The Super II just kept cutting.
I have Greenworks tools already that work well. Both are 40V. Grass and hedge trimmer. Had them for years. I've been considering a Greenworks leaf blower but they're overpriced. $399 CDN. If I could get a 21 inch mower and blower on sale I'd probably make the jump.
I'll keep searching. Thanks for all the info.
Dave
 
His idea of "the best gas chainsaw" is a low end Stihl, which is far from the best by a large margin. But since his video is targeted towards homeowners its in a similar price range, so probably a fair comparison. It cut faster than all but one of the electric ones in his test, so I don't understand why he thinks it was humiliated. I skimmed it, so maybe I missed something in the process.
 
I liked that Stihl saw (borrowed from @sirbike). It fit neatly in the aerial lift's platform and as I said, it's overall weight of 9# was not too heavy for me.
@klaproth - Stihl has quite an array of battery op saws, and some are rated for professsional and almost continuous use. That said, I find their advertising saying a noise rating of 93db means no hearing protection is necessary. Since I have hearing loss, I think Stihl should be taken to task for that assertion. Most of the medical people who write about hearing loss say the published limits of allowable noise are too high and the duration before permanent damage is too long.

@Belisaerio - I like dewalt tools, though I own none and am loath to begin another battery platform. That friend who owns the tree that is the subject of another of my threads has a Makita saw with (a guess) a 16" bar. But, he has a dozen tools and more batteries than I can count. I confess to being astounded at how he runs that saw, steadily cutting wood, swaps batteries, and continues. I'd have expected that saw to have died long ago.

@Bmacleod - Your saw is probably what I referred to above. The abuse - well, continuous use w/ no apparent damage surprises me.

@dwalby - I've got an old corded sawzall, (and at one time even a super sawzall (with a longer stroke and more power). Even with so called Milwaukee pruning blades it never pruned fast enough for me. You did not miss anything. The Stihl was not 'humiliated'.

@jdmccright - yeah, extension cords tend to limit how far from the house you can go.

@the Ferret - My feeling with all these brands is, buy one tool and we own you because of our proprietary battery. I have no doubt the Ego will do all you ask - as evidenced by that Makita I mentioned above.

@mudduc - @sirbike also has the Greenworks saw w/ 10.5 zillion batteries. This saw too has proven its mettle. My only complaint is that the chains seem to dull faster than that Makita or the Oregon and Stihl chains on my gas powered MS250 and MS311. No real big deal, just swap out the chain for another. Sirbike has a number of their other batt tools, including a ZT mower...hence so many batteries. I appreciated that link - it never occurred to me that batt chain saws are throwaway toys. Of course, I know my Milwaukee drills are not repairable - well they are, but if you take one in to their store they will tell you up front that the repair cost will exceed the cost of a new drill/battery/charger kit, especially if you buy one from a big box store (latter not said by Milwaukee sales folks).

@ReSTored - I've heard some good things about Ryobi tools. But I'm not going to another platform. (See below).

@snowmoer - excellent suggestion, but if you were to wander the aisles of a store like Hartville Hardware you might get the same reaction I get. They stock and show EVERY tool made by Milwaukee, Makita, Ryobi, etc. Their selection is e-normous. (Yeah, they sell Stihl and John Deere too). The sheer number of throwaway tools stirs something not good in me. just my reaction.

@mello dude - good video, but I find his 'tests' a bit simplistic. There is no best anything unless you define that word. I still think my gas powered saws outperform the two batt saws I've used - Sirbike's greenworks and my friend's Makita. Both of these men have a bucket load of batteries, but for cutting down a medium sized tree and bucking it into rounds for firewood, my MS250 outperforms them. And it is not a throwaway.

There is a LOT to chainsaws, as I've learned. ICE models generally have a larger selection of bars (gauges and lengths) and a wider selection of chains - though to be honest I've not searched for alternatives to the OEM bars or chains on that Greenworks or Makita. And in my somewhat limited experience, few homeowners know how to properly sharpen a chain or maintain the saw. This is not really an issue for limited homeowner use - just buy a new chain.

I was surprised at the selection and obsolescence of Stihl batt saws. I am considering a lightly used model identical to Sirbike's...and I'm also following a thread on another forum by a guy who makes battery packs for Makita, Milwaukee, and other brands of battery tools.
 
@dwalby - I've got an old corded sawzall, (and at one time even a super sawzall (with a longer stroke and more power). Even with so called Milwaukee pruning blades it never pruned fast enough for me.
the blade means everything. Put a Diablo 12" 3tpi blade in your sawzall and see if you still feel the same way. Although a corded recip doesn't make much sense unless you have a really small yard, so that's more theoretical than anything unless you go cordless.

I have a pro level chainsaw with a 24" bar, so my cutting expectations are not low, quite the opposite. That Diablo blade rocks, plain and simple.

edit: but, my experience is jaded a bit because I've had both those saws for a long time, before electric chainsaws became competitive, so I felt no need to buy an electric chainsaw to add to the mix. I like that the recip can be used for other things as well as trimming branches and stuff, so I'm not saying its a clear winner in the selection over an electric chainsaw, just that its worth considering. Chainsaws are fairly narrow-focus saws, but its probably likely that your cordless chainsaw weighs the same or less than my cordless recip anyway, so for aerial work the recip might not be the best choice. I never leave the ground, so for me it works well and is easier to use than gassing/oiling up the saw when I need it.
 
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His idea of "the best gas chainsaw" is a low end Stihl, which is far from the best by a large margin.
It didn't appear to have a very well sharpened chain either based on the size of the cuttings it was ejecting. Chainsaws should be ejecting wood chips, not saw dust.

I don't care how good a chainsaw is, it is useless without a properly sharpened chain. The way that many occasional users sharpen their chains, or don't sharpen them at all, is the biggest problem that I see.
 
@SMSW I wouldn't recommend Dewalt specifically to anyone who wasn't already tied to that platform. Brands are just what they are. I end up with Dewalt pretty much at random, I'm sure the competitors are just as good. The incompatible batteries were likely just a fluke of how development goes, but it's turned into an effective brand loyalty tool.
 
@SMSW I wouldn't recommend Dewalt specifically to anyone who wasn't already tied to that platform. Brands are just what they are. I end up with Dewalt pretty much at random, I'm sure the competitors are just as good. The incompatible batteries were likely just a fluke of how development goes, but it's turned into an effective brand loyalty tool.
I don't believe in coincidences. For years I've said they should give routers away...the money is in the bits. For years I used corded Milwaukee Magnum power drills - and that was the tip of the iceberg. I bought hundreds - no thousands of dollars worth of drill bits over the years. When we (my friends and I) started working we bought Hilti hammer drills. Back then Hilti was the only one making bits for their tools and we bought bits by the dozen. For one job I spent $300 for a 3' long 1" Hilti bit! I used to number my batteries, and when I was on the Panasonic platform I owned 30 some odd batteries. I used those drills every day, all day and the batts did not last very long. Manufacturers are not stupid, there is a sound reason why every blessed brand uses a proprietary battery.

Just for giggles, read this thread..... Anybody who uses makita, milwaukee, dewalt, or any of the other major brands should read it.
 
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