8 friction plates?!?

dragulabuilder

dragulabuilder

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So my 2014 started slipping really bad. I did change out the slave cylinder and flush the fluid but it's still persistent. I thought possibly it was the wrong oil I may have put in by mistake. Changed out the oil twice still doing it. So I went ahead bit the bullet and took the whole clutch assembly apart. What I have does not match what is on the shop manual. I have eight friction plates. And seven spacers. I'm guessing someone got into this bike before me as I do see signs that the front end was disassembled at one point. The way I read The shot manual, there are five friction plates and four spacers with a spring and seat. Did someone do this clutch and add plates? Or am I missing something1000001824.jpg1000001825.jpg1000001826.jpg
 
1760810111276.pngAccording to the parts fiches there are 7xPlate A (part 9) and 6xFriction Disk A (part 8) in between.

At each end there is another friction disk - both different from the 6 already sandwiched and different from each other.

Plus a couple of judder springs
 
Thanks John, you beat me to it.
@ OP, you read it wrong, or rather you just looked at the pictures, and didn’t look to see the number of each part number required.
You’re going to find the springs are going to be too short, and out of spec.
Depending on what oil was, or has been used, your friction plates are probably ruined.
And I’m sure you know that when you replace the judder ring, it is directional, and has to be facing a certain way, as well as each clutch plate needs to have the sharp edge facing outward etc.
 
Igofar said:
Thanks John, you beat me to it.
@ OP, you read it wrong, or rather you just looked at the pictures, and didn’t look to see the number of each part number required.
You’re going to find the springs are going to be too short, and out of spec.
Depending on what oil was, or has been used, your friction plates are probably ruined.
And I’m sure you know that when you replace the judder ring, it is directional, and has to be facing a certain way, as well as each clutch plate needs to have the sharp edge facing outward etc.
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Well silly me as an engineer to think that the exploded view would have the exact parts shown in their entirety....
 
The Fiches and price lists are an excellent way of finding out what goes where and what the part numbers are. It makes it easy to compare one model year with another.
Once you work out how to find the right fiche.

RonAyers in USA is a good place to look, I believe.
I use a part list that was published for the 2003/2004 models by Honda and can be found with a bit of determined searching.
The part numbers may be out of date - but the diagrams are exceptionally clear - and I coloured some of them in. Next month I will begin with joined up writing !!
 
Just wondering here.......
Is this a collection of Honda parts someone previously (mis) installed, or someone's high performance replacement kit?
 
Ok, ordered the missing parts. I did order the clutch springs on the first order so yeah, they are getting changed out too. I guess I need to pay better attention to the two different shop manuals I have on these bikes. ( I also own a CTX1300).

Thanks everyone who chimed in...this is why we have these forums.
 
Update.
So after ordering the correct amount of parts (:rolleyes:) got everything back together and she runs like a scalded dog again. I switch between my CTX and ST often, but the ST just amps up the fun factor more. Thanks everyone who helped with this repair.
 
Just a question...when you replaced the outer most disc, did you clock it in the correct slot (separate from the others)?
Some of the info on the forum, and on the internet (photos) show the disc in the incorrect slot.
Just checking.
Glad you got it running again.
 
I did. I was hyper focused on how those springs went back together after mistakenly ordering the incorrect amount of parts. What I did find was the clutch springs (when I first opened her up) we're not tighten down. I did order new ones and properly torque them all back down in a criss cross fashion. No need to redo this job anytime soon. Thanks again everyone
 
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