A question about hard saddle bag locks, st1100

the_gr8t_waldo

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I have been plagued by the lil dust/sand covers that seal off the key insertion. mine have been on a long slide down hill...either they are getting rough to insert a key Or the swing away cover has come all the way off and now blocks the key from full insertion. yesterday I removed a few of the latch assemblies and got as far as pulling out the tumblers. and there I hit an impasse- the next step was to pry off the chrome escutchion cap/plate. I got a bit scared of damaging the assembly, so at that point I stopped and reassembled the works. my question is , is it something that is as simple as prying off the cap or involved to the point that I'm better off taking all 4 tumblers to a local lock shop and have then do it?
 
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I brought mine to a locksmith to see if the had replacement covers. this fellow said that he couldn't get them.
I would try soaking them in sewing machine oil or WD40 to clean and loosen the debris inside, similar to what Karen has suggested
 
yeah, I've used oil, and one the door/flap has come loose and has dropped down into the keyway. ( darn gravity! ) .....are replacement lock tumblers available? a new set would. be nice and I sorely want to preserve that lil dust/grit blocker . maybe I'll pull one and take it to our local lock smith to see what he/she can come up with.
 
I'm assuming that Hepco/Becker made the bags like the made the ST1100 top boxes (but I could be wrong). They did them or GIVI did the bags. You might check their websites to see if they have lock parts. I was able to get extra keys for my ST1100 top boxes from Hepco/Becker.
 
update....I found no leads thru local locksmiths. and to confuse the situation, I lost 4 out of the five springs in the only lock cylinder I took apart. so yesterday I received 4 new lock cylinders and keys from one of the online Honda parts sellers( this is probably not the cheapest, but seems to be the expedient thing for me). Each lock is keyed differently- wouldn't ya know!. outwardly they appear to be the same, so the theory is, they should fit. since I already have the old locks and more importantly the brass pins or slides ( a lock smith would probably call 'em by a different name) I should be able to rekey each new lock to accept the old ome single key pattern that fits everything. might have to hunt up my only garage tweezers and rearrange some lighting for this project. Good or bad, I'll report back.
 
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Read your original post and checked mine. One of the dust shields is worn thin...won't be in place much longer. This is something I have never had an issue with in the past. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Just spend an interesting afternoon..... first off, the replacement cylinders fit the latch assembly fine, but they are built to accept a key that has a different structure than the ome key.- mother Honda take note ( a different rabbet running the length of the key)
so I now have one key for all bike locks/ ingnition and another strictly to lock all luggage ( lock to secure the luggage to the bike remains ome ) It took the afternoon to rekey the luggage to one key.... a minor miracle in it's self. ................................... I now have a bag of 20 pins of various sizes ( a mix of used and new). these I'll willing send to anyone whos thinking of tackling the same project....could help maintain mental stability, it helped me.
 
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If your pins (from the locks) are the standard type of pin found in say Schlage or Kwikset locks, then they might be useful. First, there seem to be several standard length pins for pin tumbler locks. I have a Schlage set of pins and a "universal" set and another unbranded set of pins and wafers. Each came with other parts (springs, etc.) and tools. Yet, if you go to a real locksmith he will have a huge array of these pins in different sizes that make my 'universal' set a joke. Nevertheless, certain lengths seem to be more or less standard and we can go on from there.

Depending on wear on the pins, some of your old ones might not be usable. I mike my used pins before I toss them back in the appropriate 'bin' in my pin sets.

Congrats on rekeying your locks. If you don't have the proper tools this can be a frustrating job with little bits and pieces flying everywhere propelled by very small springs.
 
I am not a lock smith, or even a home lock hobbyist. I only did this out of necessity. The pins I was referring to aren't the typical, cylindrical rods, one might expect to see inside of a lock. They are small .25" x .4" brass tabs about .063" thick ( these measurements are from memory , no doubt I'm off actual numbers here) all have a lil arm off of one side that compresses the spring (s). and all have, a square punched out in the center ( the key passes down the center of these tabs) - the squares location on the tab,corresponds with the individual key's teeth height. it's these brass devices that I am calling pins, since they take the place of normal lock pins- In my mind at least. After I had all keyed I had time to relax & reflect, this really does make for a small compact lock design. On a side note, the new replacement locks now have a piece of plastic as a "slide to the side", dust cover ( looks to be hdpe)....probably will last quite longer and provide a better dust cover, over the tin foil "trap door"ones that were ome.
 
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I'm not sure, Phil . my cylinders were loaded with sand and wind blown grit. ( desert use ) and the swing away cover was still wedged in one.... since I had the new cylinders , It seemed prudent to change them over to the new. kinda glad I did, now
 
I don't think so....the rabbet that runs down the key length must match the internal rabbet profile, inside of the cylinder. I can't imagine how someone could machine a new one ( inside of a cylinder) let alone fill in where the old one was ( the difference between my ome and after market keys) in either case the chrome cap would have to be taken off and considering the pot metal they make these from, I think it would be more of an experiment in destruction. the pins are the same, and that allowed me to mix n match to get 4 sets of useable pins
 
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