Helmets recommendations on flip up helmets?

Killtimer said:
Just stumbled across THIS . Good reviews and some test results.

Steve

The report has been out for awhile. What is strange in the is they said, "For the motorcyclists who wants the best protection in this crowd, we suggest looking at the Nolan, Lazer or Shoei". But they give the Symax a higher rating than the Nolan and don't really say much good about the Symax.

To me the Nolan is a much better helmet. I have a X-lite, Nolan 100E and a Symax. The Symax doesn't get used anymore and the 100E is a spare.
 
basco said:
The report has been out for awhile. What is strange in the is they said, "For the motorcyclists who wants the best protection in this crowd, we suggest looking at the Nolan, Lazer or Shoei". But they give the Symax a higher rating than the Nolan and don't really say much good about the Symax.

The letter score, a-f, does not factor in the lab impact tests. The score is basically a user opinion of the fit/finish/features/etc of the helmet.
 
I have a HJC flip up -- bought a flip up because I really like riding with an open face -- but know that full are safer --

Talked to a couple of people and they liked the HJC --

what I found

1) the HJC is noisier in the closed position than open

2) when open, and the visor is open -- the wind really moves your head around -- open with visor shut -- not bad

3) don't notice much from the socalled cooling vents -- but they may be because I ride with a windscreen

4) when in the full faced position, the visor does not want to stay where you put it -- I like to ride with it open a bit.

In conclusion -- I will look for a different helmet when this one is getting worn

I really like the Ghibli (full face)I used for years -- winter time riding --
I really liked the Shoei (open face) I had for summer riding
 
Zeus helmet

I have a Zeus flip hemet 508. Very comfortable and easy to use. You can buy any size and color on ebay new for $ 89.00 freight paid. I like the one I have so much, intend to order 2 more.
 
Certification

Did you all read the Motorcyclist Helmet comparo? The Snell rating doesn't necessarily indicate a "safer" helmet. I think the Snell foundation probably means well, but, unfortunately, manufacturers are using certification to raise prices.

I have an Nolan N100E (DOT) and a Roof Boxer (ECE standards, tougher than DOT).
 

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kingprawnokay said:
Did you all read the Motorcyclist Helmet comparo? The Snell rating doesn't necessarily indicate a "safer" helmet. I think the Snell foundation probably means well, but, unfortunately, manufacturers are using certification to raise prices.

I have an Nolan N100E (DOT) and a Roof Boxer (ECE standards, tougher than DOT).


Hey Kevin,
That Boxer helmet..Didn't some of the weapons officers on the ill-fated Space Station in Star Wars have these?? If its good enough for the Empire than it may be good enough for me. :D

What Kind of Helmets wore worn by the Storm troopers that were on them speeder bike do-hickeys on Endor in Return of the Jedi?? I think they had built in sun shades and communication systems as well. NOW THAT would be great..A Moldeled Helmet in the shape of the storm trooper or Darth Vader (or Dark Helmet from Spaceballs)..
How can a cop DARE give Darth Vader a ticket!!


Seriously folks..I have a Symax (For 2 years) and fit is good, mechanically it works fine.

Things I don't like: Wind will catch the visor and push it closed.. I sometimes like to ride with it open but the mechanism is weak and the wind overpowers it.

Second and most important..Ventilation system...WHAT ventilation system..Sucker is NON-existant..I get no air, especially through the tiny port on the top..

Right now I will replace it next season and looking at the Nolan XLite and the Caberg Jutissimo (Sp?) that is available through Aerostitch.com
 
kingprawnokay said:
Did you all read the Motorcyclist Helmet comparo? The Snell rating doesn't necessarily indicate a "safer" helmet. I think the Snell foundation probably means well, but, unfortunately, manufacturers are using certification to raise prices.

I have an Nolan N100E (DOT) and a Roof Boxer (ECE standards, tougher than DOT).


Not only that,, but the Boxer meets the ECE standards for FULLFACE helmets, the rest of the flipups meet DOT standards as openface helmets but do not pass the fullface standards. Unfortunatly Boxers are not sold in the US as far as I can find and from Europe with shipping the best price I've found is $435.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/roof-helmet/roof-boxer/

http://www.designerhelmets.com/prodlist.php?cat=Roof&prod=R05+Boxer
 
I picked up a KBC FFR several months ago after getting tired of rubbing my ears raw from the constant on and off of my full-face Aria during group rides. I liked the KBC better than the HJC because the hinges/latches are metal, the visor has a good incremental system that's smooth but doesn't slip, you can pull and wash the padding and it's price is close to the HJC. I do wear ear plugs. And to the point about safety of any full coverage verses 3/4 quarter..you really do want full coverage. You don't need a test result to understand the issue.
 
Buying a Boxer

hig4s said:
Not only that,, but the Boxer meets the ECE standards for FULLFACE helmets, the rest of the flipups meet DOT standards as openface helmets but do not pass the fullface standards. Unfortunatly Boxers are not sold in the US as far as I can find and from Europe with shipping the best price I've found is $435.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/roof-helmet/roof-boxer/

http://www.designerhelmets.com/prodlist.php?cat=Roof&prod=R05+Boxer

Yep. Boxer's are sperior, and expensive. No vents, but I love mine (I think there is a "vent kit"). Designer Helmets is the place to buy if you want one. I've been using my Nolan lately though.
 
kingprawnokay said:
Yep. Boxer's are sperior, and expensive. No vents, but I love mine (I think there is a "vent kit"). Designer Helmets is the place to buy if you want one. I've been using my Nolan lately though.

How do the sizes run?

I wear a medium in most helmets,,


I figure my next new bike I will get $1k extra on the loan and order two Boxers. One for me and one for the wife.

Thanks.
 
Sizing

hig4s said:
How do the sizes run?

I wear a medium in most helmets,,


I figure my next new bike I will get $1k extra on the loan and order two Boxers. One for me and one for the wife.

Thanks.

It is a little scary because you need to order a Boxer to try one on. However, you'll probably wear a "medium" Boxer as well. I feel that Roof's sizes run pretty much right on the money, but some say they run slightly large. My head is rather large at 7 1/4 to 7 1/2 inches around (depending on hair style) and I wear a "large" Boxer. My Nolan N100E is also a size "large".

I read this before I bought my Boxer:
www.webbikeworld.com/r2/roof-helmet/roof-boxer/
 
I've used a HJC A-3 for a couple years but I'm also considering a full helmet as well. Thanks for posting this!
 
Rick Nixon said:
In 2001 I started sport touring (ST1100) and promply bought a Shoei Syncrotech, fits well, is safe and relatively quiet even without earplugs. My wife (Scout) wears a similar helmet made by Arai as we couldn't get a comfortable fit in a Shoei.

What Arai are you referring to? I'm not aware of Arai ever making a flip-face helmet like the Synchrotec.

Rick Nixon said:
First insist on a proper fit then buy at the top end, if you can't afford the top end, don't ride, your life may depend on your decision.

Can't agree here. Yes, avoid the real cheapo buckets, but any Snell helmet will offer good protection, even an $89 or $99 Korean or Chinese made one. And any DOT helmet from a reputable manufacturer will offer good protection as well. And no helmet, at any price, is guaranteed to prevent injuries in every forseeable accident.
 
The KBC FFR looks pretty interesting to me. Competition Accessories seems to have the best price so far. Anybody know of any good helmet dealers in Canada?
 
Lucky 13 said:
The KBC FFR looks pretty interesting to me. Competition Accessories seems to have the best price so far. Anybody know of any good helmet dealers in Canada?

You might want to look at the review on www.webbikeworld.com... they didn't like it very much :nuke1: <==== love that emoticon :D
 
Thanks. They had some pretty good things to say about the Vega. Too bad it isn't twice the price, it'd probably be more popular!
 
I really wanted to get one of these until I read this at http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/
He has a ton of information on a ton of subjects. I cut out the following from his helmet article.


I have never owned one of these new flip-open helmets, most notably the HJC, Nolan, and Schuberth. None of the flip-open helmets have been submitted to Snell for testing. I now believe this is because the manufacturers know that the helmets will fail the test. I have heard several stories now about people crashing in flip-open helmets and getting eye socket damage and concussions - in one case, a personal friend of mine. My friend had what seemed to be a relatively minor side impact on his head - the helmet was barely scarred at all. However, at the hospital he fell into a coma for three days, and was confused for another couple of weeks. He required two surgerys to repair his eye sockets so that his eyes would stay in his head. Frankly, his story really shook me up and I started investigating these helmets much more closely. I was not impressed with what I learned.

The shell of the flip-open helmets apparently work just fine. I have no indication that these helmets tend to open in a crash and expose your face. However, the hinge mechanism in flip-open helmets takes up space that in any other helmet would be shock- absorbing EPS styrofoam protecting your temples. The hinge mechanism intrudes into the impact-absorbing liner in the temple area. If you hit the side of your head on the ground (quite common in a fall) the hinge mechanism can hit your temple hard enough to break your skull. As they say in Ghostbusters, this would be bad.

I spoke at length with the people at the Snell institute about this topic (7/04). They have never had a flip-open helmet submitted to them for certification, and therefore have never tested one, nor have they paid much attention to them. They found my statement, that flip-open helmets can cause temple damage, quite interesting. I learned from them that essentially all helmet manufacturers have in-house testing facilities and do a very good job of this. They named three companies in particular who do a superlative job; all three make flip-open helmets. I was told that the manufacturers can perform the Snell certification tests just as well as Snell can, so they know well in advance if they are going to pass.

Snell and DOT testing is performed with a magnesium dummy head in the helmet. The magnesium head has one accelerometer located at the center of gravity. This means the accelerometer cannot test for twisting forces, and it can only record the average impact force on the head, the force averaged over the entire surface of the magnesium head. There is no way this device could record a sharp impact on a small area, such as might occur if the hard plastic hinge mechanism hit the magnesium skull. The Snell and DOT tests have separate tests for the shell, to see that they resist penetration by sharp objects. The tests are not designed to record if a small hard object already inside the shell hits your head. So, it turns out that Snell and DOT tests are not very sensitive to an impact from a hinge mechanism.


None the less, it's interesting that none of the flip-open helmets have ever been submitted to Snell for independent testing. Some of the companies that make these helmets pay to have essentially all of their other street helmets certified, but not the flip-open in particular. I find this exceedingly suspicious.
 
Bones said:
Working from Motorcycle Consumer News recommendatinos, I tried the HJC Symax and Nolan 100E. . I got my Nolan from www.helmetharbor.com for $188.95 to my door.
Bones

Would you still have a copy of MCN or know what issue it was?
Thanks
 
Imo----------

Rob, have a Schuberth, bought in 2000. 400 bucks and not worth a damn. Very noisy, wouldn't fit into bags on the Ducati st4 and the rain got in. 2005-bought the fast ST (red) and tried out many helmets. Nolan 100 Classic/flip. Wow, what a difference! Easy to flip (so is the Shchuberth), very comfortable, very quiet, no water past the visor, large ear sockets, fits into saddle bags and $195 on-line.
BTW, I will be riding up to Vancouver in late April, good buddy there (False Creek)-he doesn't ride. Spoke to Horst and possibly set up a meet at Carter Honda and go for a ride. The More the Merrier.
 
For the life of me I can't find any references online for Nolan dealers in the Houston area. I know Cycle Gear doesn't carry them. I want to try one on. All the online dealers want a restock fee if you don't like it and return it. Does anyone know of a dealer within a half day's riding distance that carries the N102?

Fred :03biker:
 
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