ST 1300 Missenden Flyer Review

Another fine waste of 20 minutes, innit?
But I'll waste more time than that, on less important and much less entertaining pursuits.
Pfffttt.
I watched it.
I've watched others, as well, and I already know how mine rides, as well as what I can do with it.
And I just may watch it again.
Because I can.
 
Watched it.

His generic statement that 2003 model years had handling problem, the ‘weave’ in the UK that was dangerous, was somehow fixed by Honda in subsequent years made it safe. What did Honda do, if anything?

High speed on a police kitted out bike, with none of the other factors known, is pretty much useless.
Too many variables could contribute, road/weather conditions. Rider experience, tire conditions, on and on….

Never had an issue with my 03, but mine has the Honda topbox, not a police equipment box.
My bike is maintained and tires are always in great condition with proper tire pressures.

It still is a great bike
 
cruise_carter said:
Watched it.

His generic statement that 2003 model years had handling problem, the ‘weave’ in the UK that was dangerous, was somehow fixed by Honda in subsequent years made it safe. What did Honda do, if anything?

High speed on a police kitted out bike, with none of the other factors known, is pretty much useless.
Too many variables could contribute, road/weather conditions. Rider experience, tire conditions, on and on….

Never had an issue with my 03, but mine has the Honda topbox, not a police equipment box.
My bike is maintained and tires are always in great condition with proper tire pressures.

It still is a great bike
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Swing arm bolts were changed/modified. That's the only change I'm aware of other than the police bikes have a speed limiter I believe.

A UK P bike bolts shown here:

Abba Skylift | Tools/Workshop/Garage

Likely will be worth a ride report, at least. Everyone here knows I'm not stingy with words, and often don't know when to shut up. More likely I DO know, but don't. Shut up, that is.
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My takeaway was his 'blending' of the ST1100 into the ST1300 as if the ST1300 was just a 'revision' when they are very different machines.
He did pick up that Allen Millyard's daily rider is a ST1100 though. ;)
 
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I may have heard of traction control on the ST, but don't recall which models may have had it.
My 2008 has ABS, but no TC.
Does anyone here have it on theirs?
It must have been rather early on in the development of such features, and I'm not familiar with it at all.
Does it actually help?
Or was the vlogger making the statement in error?
Giggle tells me it was taken off the 1100...
 
Sadlsor said:
I may have heard of traction control on the ST, but don't recall which models may have had it.
My 2008 has ABS, but no TC.
Does anyone here have it on theirs?
It must have been rather early on in the development of such features, and I'm not familiar with it at all.
Does it actually help?
Or was the vlogger making the statement in error?
Giggle tells me it was taken off the 1100...
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Only available on certain ST1100s.
 
A number of things are thought to have been contributory to the weave on a (very) few of the UK police 1300s;

Incorrectly tensioned swingarm bolts, unevenly packed panniers, and the rear blue light pole creating a vortex.

They had different suspension too, but they were always returned to standard when decommissioned. They were not speed-limited like the ones in the US.

My ST1100 had TCS but my ST1300 doesn't have it. I read that it was left off the newer bike after research and feedback that Honda gained from the ST1100 owners.

My VFR1200X does have traction control, which I find completely unobtrusive, although if I was a hooligan and attempted a wheelie I'm sure it would step in and tell me off.
 
AFAIK, 96 and later ABSII ST1100s had TCS and ABS.
IIRC, across the pond it was call CBS?
Giggle is wrong - it was never taken off the ABSII models that I know of - and I have the last 'normal' model year - 2002 and a 1997.
 
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cruise_carter said:
Watched it.

His generic statement that 2003 model years had handling problem, the ‘weave’ in the UK that was dangerous, was somehow fixed by Honda in subsequent years made it safe. What did Honda do, if anything?

High speed on a police kitted out bike, with none of the other factors known, is pretty much useless.
Too many variables could contribute, road/weather conditions. Rider experience, tire conditions, on and on….

Never had an issue with my 03, but mine has the Honda topbox, not a police equipment box.
My bike is maintained and tires are always in great condition with proper tire pressures.

It still is a great bike
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Have a read through the below. The part relevant to the instability of the first year production ST1300's in 2002 is about 2/3 of the way down.

Interview: Dave Hancock – Honda Motor Europe. THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ST1300
 
What is the ST1300 PA speed limited at? I haven't hit mine yet @110. I haven't seen the need for more than that yet (or a sufficiently safe stretch of road to do it.)

rob
 
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