Tools to be able to maintain a ST1100

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Honda ST1100 (2001)
I want to be able to (eventually) take her apart if required, but I've got just the tiny bag of tools that comes with the bike. I literally don't have any tools other than my bicycle toolkit, so I'm starting from scratch, and it's overwhelming. I found this useful guide, but it doesn't have actual links to stuff I can buy:


And so, since it's that time of the year, it's time for me to make my wishlist :D (stuff I can get my hands on in the UK)
 
Your link requires me to do a survey before I can read the content.....
a volt/ohm meter
Test light
Metric socket set
Metric Allen keys
23mm and 27mm spanner
I like my box end ratchet spanners
Needle nose pliers
Selection of the Japanese Phillips screwdrivers
Torque wrenches
Oil drain pans
Feeler gauges
Spark pluck socket wrench.

Wire strippers
Good crimping tool.

These are the tools I have used, to service my bike.
 
If you plan on removing the rear tire, an offset racheting box wrench in the proper size is mighty handy for that caliper stopper bolt (in the proper size)-


and one of these for general purpose (5MM T-handle that fits most of the hex heads - (especially after you replace the side panel screws with 90112-MT4-000 smooth side cowl bolts) -


I also pack a Leatherman Wave and M14 Cruz tools for good measure.
 
I want to be able to (eventually) take her apart if required, but I've got just the tiny bag of tools that comes with the bike. I literally don't have any tools other than my bicycle toolkit, so I'm starting from scratch, and it's overwhelming. I found this useful guide, but it doesn't have actual links to stuff I can buy:


And so, since it's that time of the year, it's time for me to make my wishlist :D (stuff I can get my hands on in the UK)
Are you mechanically inclined. Have you any car/truck experience?? I just recently looked at a car that a young man rebuilt the front suspension but had some noises he could not figure out. It turns out that he didn't tighten the ball joints enough stripped a caliper bolt and a whole list of other things done wrong. He had worked for a tire shop previously. Get a manual and a torque wrench. Find someone with some experience, bikes are not that much different from cars.
 
No special tools. I have just a metric set of wrenches and sockets. And Philip and regular screw drivers and a few Japanese.
 
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You can spend as much or as little as you want on tools. I'd bet that more than a few guys here have very impressive tool collections (top of the line - Snap-On, Mac, Wright, Craftsman (older ones), etc, etc, etc.) and an equal number of guys do the same quality work using Husky or Hopot or Harbor Fright tools. Specialized wrenches - like @Uncle Phil suggested - make a specific task easier, and if you have 4 similar bikes - like Phil it makes a lot of sense to pickup one of these. The correct tools - like the JIS screwdrivers - are essential to not damaging fasteners.

Pretty soon you will be in the market for one of those multi-thousand dollar rolling tool chests - the ones with room for you to sleep in when your wife finds out what you paid for the tools.
 
I think to start with just get the basics, which I think would be a 3/8 inch socket set, metric from 8 to 24 mm or thereabouts.
A set of metric combination spanners 8 mm to 21 mm or thereabouts.
A set of metric Allen keys.
And you'll definitely need a half inch torque wrench and 3/8 to 1/2 inch adaptor which will probably come with the torque wrench. Up to about 100 lbs or a bit more.
27 mm socket, I think for the rear wheel.
Don't get dragged into buying expensive tools, Snap On, Armstrong, Blue point etc. These are fine if you're using them for work purposes but overkill for the DIY'er.
Check out US Pro on eBay, it's good and cheap.
Good luck.
Upt'North.
 
Unless I missed it in above posts you're going to need a shop manual for the bike. I have a well thumbed and thoroughly grease stained Clymer manual I've been using for 15+ years and I hear the Honda manual is, not surprisingly, good as well. If you're new to type of work the manual is critical,

The other thing I'd recommend is to take as many close focused pictures as possible as you take things apart and to also have labeled Ziploc bags for small components so things don't get mixed up. It all makes sense when you take it apart, but a couple of days later will you remember exactly where things go?
 
Don't concern yourself with BUYING tools. They are an investment that will pay for itself. If you ever need to justify a purchase of several hundred dollars worth of things, just look at labor rates in repair shops. If you look online for used things you can probably find some bargains, like estate sales or mechanics who have gotten out of the game or need to sell for some quick cash. Don't let anyone convince you you need to buy Snap On tools. They are pretty but sometimes off brands do the same job at a fraction of the cost.
 
Hi Christopher:

It's a lot of fun to maintain your own moto. I believe that there are two criteria you need to keep in mind as you build your tool collection. First is that you need to have the right tool (for example, a proper JIS screwdriver, not a Phillips), and second is that you should purchase a high-quality tool. Better quality tools feel better in the hand and get the job done more efficiently than cheap (translation = Chinese) tools, and using better quality tools avoids damage to fasteners.

If you are just starting out and don't have any tools (other than what came in the little kit with the bike), here is what I suggest you get, listed in order of priority (order in which you should acquire the tools):

JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) Screwdrivers
Honda products don't use Phillips fasteners, they use JIS fasteners. Although the heads on the fasteners may appear to be the same, they are not. If you use a Phillips screwdriver on a JIS fastener, you will eventually chew up the head on the fastener, and you will always have difficulty getting a good grip on the fastener to loosen or tighten it. There is lots of information out there on the internet (and even here in our own forum) about the difference between the two specifications. The very first tools you should buy are two JIS screwdrivers, in 'regular' and small size. They are often sold in sets of 3, the largest of the three is uncommon on the ST 1100. 'Vessel' is a trustworthy manufacturer of high quality JIS screwdrivers. Probable cost (including delivery) about £20 for a set of 2 or 3.

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5mm & 6mm Hex Key Drivers with a T handle
The ST 1100 has a lot of 5 mm hex head fasteners on it, and a few 6 mm hex head fasteners. You could undo these with a normal hex key (Allen key), but it's a heck of a lot faster and much more pleasant to use a T-handle tool. Whenever you do any work on a ST 1100, you need to first remove various plastic ('Tupperware') panels, and you will use the 5mm tool to undo the fasteners that hold these panels in place. These tools are very inexpensive.

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Metric Sockets, a rail to store them on, extension bars, and ratcheting wrenches
You can always use a socket wrench to operate a fastener that could be operated with a spanner, but you can't use a spanner to operate a fastener that is deep in a location that won't allow you to swing the spanner. So, socket wrenches come before spanners in the order of priority of acquisition.

This is where you need to pay attention to the quality of the tools you are buying. A good set of sockets & ratcheting wrenches will last you a lifetime. A cheap set will frustrate you for a lifetime. When comparing a cheap set to a good set, the is little or not difference in the end of the socket that goes onto the fastener, but there is a world of difference in the square end that fits into the extension bar or ratcheting handle. The cheap sets don't fit well, they don't have a retention mechanism, and the tolerances are loose. You don't need to blow your bank account on a set of Snap-On tools, but avoid the bottom half of the price range.

In the picture below, the upper row are 3/8 inch drive, and the lower row (the smaller ones) are 1/4 inch drive. Generally speaking, you can't get the smallest sizes in 3/8 drive, and you need the strength of a 3/8 drive for the larger sizes where you will be applying significant torque. Buy 6-point sockets that only have 6 sides on the surface - don't buy 12-point sockets. You don't need a 12-point socket on a Honda, and 12-point sockets present a greater risk of stripping the heads off of damaged or stuck fasteners.

You don't need all the sizes shown in the picture - Honda generally uses even-number sizes, except that they sometimes use 13mm. If you are buying individually, get 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, and 27mm (the 27 will probably be a 1/2 inch drive, you can buy a 3/8 to 1/2 inch adapter that allows you to use the 27 with a 3/8 ratcheting handle).

Do get a rail to store them on. Rails are cheap, and will save you a lot of time fumbling around. You will also be able to tell at a glance if one is missing, rather than finding that out in the middle of a disassembly job.

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You might want to consider buying the ratcheting handles separately from the sockets themselves. If you do this, buy the best ratcheting handles you can afford, because there is a real difference in functionality as you go up the scale - the better ratcheting handles are more comfortable to hold, have better retention and locking mechanisms, and more robust ratcheting mechanisms.

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Oil Filter Wrench
This tool fits over the end of the oil filter to allow you to easily remove it. It's not expensive. You drive it with the 3/8 wrench and an extension bar.
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Spanners
Like ratcheting wrenches, you want to buy quality first when you buy spanners. It's very nice to have a ratcheting box-end on one end of the spanner, like the ones shown below, but that's not essential. If you buy non-ratcheting spanners, get 6-point box ends, not 12-point box ends. The 6-point box ends have a greater gripping surface on the fasteners, and you won't run the risk of stripping a somewhat worn-out fastener if you use a 6-point box on it.

I suggest that rather than buying a 'set' (a set of good quality spanners is darn expensive), you buy really good quality ones 'one by one'. Start with 8, 10, 12, and 14 mm. Later, you can add sizes one by one as you encounter a need to do so.
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Electrical Multimeter
This is an expensive tool, but you can use it for domestic use as well as automotive use. Buy a "name brand" such as Fluke or similar. You won't need the clamp function (amperage measurement) for automotive use, but the clamp sure comes in handy when you want to hang the tool nearby so you have both hands free to operate the probes.
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Hope this information is useful and gets you started on your way.

Michael
 
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I have more than a complete collection of tools (and continuously growing) and stuff for the wrenching addiction. (Damn, another tool chest?)

Agree generally with getting a set of metric sockets 8mm to 19mm to start. Then piece meal add extra size sockets as jobs come up. And racket wrench to go with all.
Individual jobs will pop up, and its a trip to the hardware store for that one piece to get the job done. Probably grab a 1/2 drive breaker bar, and mbe a high quality torque wrench.

MIchael above has a picture of a gear wrench spanner set, those are very nice in spots. The definately get a JIS screwdriver set, I have a Hozan set bought from Amazon, that is fine.

Really I stood back and asked.. What do I use the most? And the answer is the set of Lisle Hex Key drivers with 3/8 in drivers. I use near constantly every job..
Then there goes with that my friend and kinda a piece of my soul... the old 3/8 inch drive Craftsmen ratchet I have had probably for 40 years or better.
Sometimes I just pick it up and foole with it siping a beer, (like now)... reflecting all the multitude of cars and motorcycles that it has wrenched on, from stupid simple jobs to engine builds.
The weight of my gearhead geek foole soul is with that wrench.




Cheers and beer to all!
 
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I'll add one more thing - and that is to echo what Michael said about quality tools. Good tools will last a lifetime, and you can pass them down to your kids (girls need wrenches too!). I've built my collection up over years - many new, a lot of used Snap-On. Why? Because I like the feel, the heft of them in my hand, and I could afford a few at a time. I also have some Mac, some from Hopot, impact sockets and long and short square drive allen sockets (with and without ball ends) from Harbor Fright. I have to say I normally would not buy HF tools, but for the price (about $13 USD for a whole set) I bought 4 sets for less than the price of one set from Snap-On. Does one need 4 sets? No, but it sure is nice to have options when you are working on the bike trying to loosen a bolt that is buried behind other components. If I travel, I toss the appropriate cheap tools in my travel bag and should I lose them, its only a few bucks.
 
I visit Harbor Freight sometimes, and once in a while grabbing that one tool for that one job works out. Sometimes the choice is spend $8 or $30 to get a job done, and maybe you'll wont need to do it again. You do have to be somewhat selective of what you get.
 
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I visit Harbor Freight sometimes, and once in a while grabbing that one tool for that one job works out. Sometimes the choice is spend $8 or $30 to get a job done, and maybe you'll wont need to do it again. You do have to be somewhat selective of what you get.
Agreed. If I had to go out and buy a 27mm open-end wrench, to use to hold an axle nut in place while I tighten the other side, it's pretty likely I'd buy a $20 Harbour Freight Chinese-made El Cheapo, not a $100 Snap-On. That's because I would use that wrench maybe once a year for 30 seconds.

When it comes to the common wrenches - the 8mm, 10mm, 12mm that get used every day for just about every job - those are the ones I want to be the very best quality available, because I use them so often. It is truly frustrating to use cheap tools on a regular basis, it takes all the fun out of doing the work.

Michael
 
...and WD40, vaseline, silicon grease, copper grease, chain spray and oil - for all the little things that need a dab/squirt/smear/drop...
;)...I use vaseline on my hands before starting work - to help me get them cleaned up after - also good for electrical connectors and battery posts.
Silicon grease for the side panel plug-in pins and caliper sliders.
Copper grease for brake pad pins and most nuts/bolts that might corrode and/or stick.
Chain spray for the side-stand and centre stand pivots - and used once for the 'bar switches about 18 years ago.....:).
Oil (usually the dregs from the 'empty' can) for the ign. and side case keyholes and the shed door locks and hinges...
 
Check out Aldi online too, they sometimes have some good deals on. Not the best quality but generally good enough. I think they had a T handle X set for about a tenner. You'd pay more for one.
Upt'North.
 
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