Ryan_B
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Haha, I have brand new Michelin PR4s in the garage just waiting to be mounted too... Guess we like paying too much for tires. ;-)Nervous chuckle with brand new michelins on the way......
Haha, I have brand new Michelin PR4s in the garage just waiting to be mounted too... Guess we like paying too much for tires. ;-)Nervous chuckle with brand new michelins on the way......
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Same feeling on my side about the Shinko Verge 011, half the price of the Michelin and pretty close to the same mileage, and no complaint about the grip dry or wet.For my riding ability, I agree.
Articles that I have read have quoted various motorcycle racers, magazine motorcycle testers, motorcycle tire experts, etc., who all state that tire quality has increased so much that any tire available on the market will exceed the overwhelming majority of street rider's abilities, and exceeds the demands that anyone riding on public roads will place on them. This has been my experience as well.
I was using Michelin PR tires. Their prices kept increasing to the point where I could no longer see a justification for it. I tried Shinko Verge 011 based on many recommendations on this forum. They were perfectly fine with the same mileage. I had no complaints about them, so I bought another set. A set of Shinko tires cost me almost half of what the Michelin PR cost. If the Michelin gave me twice the mileage, or twice the performance that I could actually take advantage of, then maybe. They didn't give me any better mileage, and I can't ride to the limit of the Shinko tires let alone the Michelins, so there is no increased value for me. Unless I start racing or doing track days with my ST1300, I see no reason to pay twice the price for a set of tires that isn't giving me twice the value.
As you have stated that you are a new rider, my opinion about tire selection at this point in your experience curve maybe a little different.
My opinion is that it is not advisable for a new rider on a big heavy powerful bike like an ST1300 to be riding in a manner that tire selection would make any difference for anything other than mileage. For safety, a new rider should not be pushing himself, or this motorcycle, to the point that tire performance becomes a concern. The riding skills must be learned, practiced and developed before you get to the point where you can safely push any tire to its limits, let alone a premium tire. Until then, you should not even come close to needing that premium tire performance offered by the most expensive tires. I don't think that the most expensive and what is considered the best tires on the market are needed at this point. Spend the extra money on gas to gain the experience and the proficiency that you require to need premium tires.
Compared to others you have mounted, what made it so difficult? In the end, was it shear effort or was there a “trick” that helped you mount it?I mount my own tires, and the 31gt rear in particular was an absolute nightmare to put on.
Unbelievably stiff sidewall on the rear T31 GT. I mounted non GT t32s on my 919, nothing crazy.Compared to others you have mounted, what made it so difficult? In the end, was it shear effort or was there a “trick” that helped you mount it?
The "trick" is that you MUST get the bead into the center groove of the rim. If you try and fight the steel bead over the larger rim without working the angles to your advantage, and succeed; 1) you are very, very strong, and 2) something is damaged, whether it's the aluminum wheel or the tire itself. The extremely stiff tire carcass needs to be compressed to put the bead where it needs to be for the moment of stretching the tire over the rim.Compared to others you have mounted, what made it so difficult? In the end, was it shear effort or was there a “trick” that helped you mount it?
I am assuming you went with the larger tire. How did that work out for handling? Would you recommend this? I would do backflips if I got a rear tire to get 8k miles.The dealer where I stopped only had the Michelin Road 5 in a one size wider, one size smaller for the rear rim. Ok, what choice do I have? It was/is awesome, have about 8k on the back and 4 on the front with minimal signs of wear. They are wicked sticky and great in the rain. I know what I'm getting from now on.
I "went" with the 180/55, just recently put on another the same. Handling is great, I had the stock Battleax (10k miles) and it was fine, this was a noticeable "improvement" leaning over. A few thousand miles later I put on the matching front and it was a dream in the corners, leaned right in and planted, very predictable. Wet was just as comfortable. If you are aggressive with it count on more like 5k, of course where and how you ride is always a factor.I am assuming you went with the larger tire. How did that work out for handling? Would you recommend this? I would do backflips if I got a rear tire to get 8k miles.
5k is about the most I can hope for with the PR4's. The one PR5 I tried was about the same. The one set of T-31's were pathetic. I tried Darkside, but was not comfortable with zero clearance. Don't want to compromise wet performance, so just suffer with at least 4 tire set changes a year. Really a PITA if traveling a lot.I "went" with the 180/55, just recently put on another the same. Handling is great, I had the stock Battleax (10k miles) and it was fine, this was a noticeable "improvement" leaning over. A few thousand miles later I put on the matching front and it was a dream in the corners, leaned right in and planted, very predictable. Wet was just as comfortable. If you are aggressive with it count on more like 5k, of course where and how you ride is always a factor.