Anybody know a source for an appropriate Moly Paste that would carry in stock aka a national chain?
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While Honda says that (M77) is the replacement for M60, it does not have the molybdenum disulfide content of the 60, which was deemed the minimum moly content in the Honda Service Manual. There have been some posts saying that recent rear spline failure was due to using the M77, though this is in contention. Bottom line, use M77 at your own risk.
The Loctite 51048 Nashcat referred to is considered by many here to be a suitable replacement for the Pro Honda Moly 60 paste — the M77 stuff — not so much.
You'd think that if Honda dropped one product and referred to the new product anytime somebody asked for the old one - that the new one would be fine. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
There are many many threads with even more posts that you can read until your eyes bleed and you want to hurl. Or you can save yourself some time and pain and use the M-77 assembly paste for that titular purpose and use the Loctite for the rear hub splines.
I have no direct experience of either product and have drawn my own conclusions to use the Loctite 51048 when needed based on what I've read here. It's hard to know what's Gospel and what isn't but I believe "erring" with the Loctite is far safer using the M-77 Honda stuff.
To paraphrase an old oft used homily — It's cheap insurance.
Hold the presses! There is a better spline lube. From another thread:
This is an important distinction and one that I missed when I purchased the Loctite LB 8012 product. So I will no longer recommend their LB 8012 product to others and will look for another moly paste.
EDIT: There is another Loctite product (LB 8103) that is NLGI class 2. Here are differences between the 8012 and the 8103:
LOCTITE LB 8012
LOCTITE LB 8012 is a black, metal-free anti-seize lubricant with MoS2 and rust inhibitors in a brush top form. Formulated to protect assemblies during running-in periods, it resists high static loads and the MoS2 paste ensures maximum lubricity. It has an NLGI grade of one and is resistant to temperatures up to +400C.
• Metal-free
• Protects assemblies during running-in period
• Resists high static loads
• MoS2 paste insures maximum lubricity
• NLGI Grade 1
• Temperature resistant to +400C.
LOCTITE LB 8103
LOCTITE LB 8103 is a black, mineral oil and MoS2-based grease, which is suitable for heavy loads, withstands vibration and can be used on moving parts at all speeds. It is used in high stressed joints, plain and roller bearings, splines and socket joints, and slideways subjected to vibration and heavy loads. . It has an NLGI Class 2 rating and can withstand temperatures to +250C.
• Suitable for heavy loads and withstands vibration
• For moving parts at all speeds
• For higher-stressed joints, plain- and roller bearings, socket joints and slideways
• NLGI Class 2
Jeff
This is an important distinction and one that I missed when I purchased the Loctite LB 8012 product. So I will no longer recommend their LB 8012 product to others and will look for another moly paste.
EDIT: There is another Loctite product (LB 8103) that is NLGI class 2. Here are differences between the 8012 and the 8103:
LOCTITE LB 8012
LOCTITE LB 8012 is a black, metal-free anti-seize lubricant with MoS2 and rust inhibitors in a brush top form. Formulated to protect assemblies during running-in periods, it resists high static loads and the MoS2 paste ensures maximum lubricity. It has an NLGI grade of one and is resistant to temperatures up to +400C.
• Metal-free
• Protects assemblies during running-in period
• Resists high static loads
• MoS2 paste insures maximum lubricity
• NLGI Grade 1
• Temperature resistant to +400C.
LOCTITE LB 8103
LOCTITE LB 8103 is a black, mineral oil and MoS2-based grease, which is suitable for heavy loads, withstands vibration and can be used on moving parts at all speeds. It is used in high stressed joints, plain and roller bearings, splines and socket joints, and slideways subjected to vibration and heavy loads. . It has an NLGI Class 2 rating and can withstand temperatures to +250C.
• Suitable for heavy loads and withstands vibration
• For moving parts at all speeds
• For higher-stressed joints, plain- and roller bearings, socket joints and slideways
• NLGI Class 2
Jeff
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TS-70 Moly Paste With 70% MoS2
"https://www.tsmoly.com/anti-seize-lubricants-compounds-moly-paste-with-mossub2sub-p-84.html"
"https://www.tsmoly.com/anti-seize-lubricants-compounds-moly-paste-with-mossub2sub-p-84.html"
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The 'splainin' is in what I posted above. The Loctite LB-8103 is more appropriate for splines than is the LB-8012.
While the latter is supposedly better than the Moly 77, the former is supposedly much better than the latter.
Here's the thread: https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/alternative-moly-grease-and-paste.171784/
LOCTITE LB 8103 is a black, mineral oil and MoS2-based GREASE (Not Paste)
I've got to ask, why do you think that this would be better than the LB8012?
The LB 8012 will withstand almost twice the heat.
I've been using the LB8012 on a lot of our bikes, as well as neglected police motors, and its the best stuff I've found so far.
I've got to ask, why do you think that this would be better than the LB8012?
The LB 8012 will withstand almost twice the heat.
I've been using the LB8012 on a lot of our bikes, as well as neglected police motors, and its the best stuff I've found so far.
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higher number is thicker, lower number is thinner.
You are correct....brain fart on my end
Got caught in the middle of a nasty moonsoon today on a 300 mile trip to the border and back on my CRF250L with nothing but a long sleeve cotton shirt.
2 hours in the rain, going over a couple mountain passes, and dirt/gravel/desert roads sapped whatever brain cells I had before I left.
I do stand by the use of the LB8012 though, its held up very well on these bikes.
I fixed my post, thanks for pointing that out.
I started using Loctite 8012 last year. When I changed my tire this year I noticed most of the paste had balled up and the splines were relatively dry. I made sure I cleaned the old lube out and cleaned the splines with brake cleaner (after remover o-ring). I'm hoping that the last time it didn't stick to the old Honda moly that was on it before? We'll see next tire change. Maybe the 8103 is stickier?
I'm not convinced it's the worse hijacking of a thread - there's even one respondent that offered to ride to the OP and deliver a can.
You yourself responded yesterday (31st) to check with Motion.
The OP's last response was Aug 9th[1] - approaching a whole month ... so the onus is on the OP
[1] https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/anybody-know-a-source-for-an-appropriate-moly-paste-that-would-carry-in-stock-aka-a-national-chain.173581/post-2246223
I've found that also when folks didn't either clean the old paste/grease out before applying the new stuff, and not stirring up the paste before you apply it.
What you probably did was use the top surface of the paste that had separated a bit.
Stir it up before applying, clean the splines out, then apply. You should have no issues doing it that way.
When I pull a wheel with 10k miles on it for a tire change, I find the paste still where it should be.