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[Willsmotorcycle]

HMMMMM


Yep you guessed it, 2/3s light. I made it up with Marvels Mystery Oil. I thought my oil was low last time so I used the cup to fill each quart.

Manufacturers please charge me a bit more for the full amount, it's better than me looking for something to make up the difference.

 

[Bikeric]

Do you have the equivalent of Trading Standards over your side of the pond? I really hate paying for things that are "short"......

 

[SMSW]

Couple of things to check. I've double checked my measuring cups - and some of the cheaper plastic one's have been off a bit. What does the container say? I've seen some liquids sold by the liter and the mfr makes no bones about selling less than a quart or gallon.

 

[dwalby]

was that one quart a fluke, or did you have multiple quarts that were low by that amount?

the US standard for a 32 fl oz. container is a max of 1 fl oz. low, yours appears to be 4 fl oz low.

 

[Willsmotorcycle]

It is a 4quart container labeled as 1 gallon. I had filled 3 quarts prior to that one being short. I added the 2/3 cup to make the difference and .1 quart to get the Honda spec. The Honda gauge says we are on full. I agree it could be a lot of things but if I filled 2/3 cup to much the site glass should show heavy, yes?

 

[Willsmotorcycle]

was that one quart a fluke, or did you have multiple quarts that were low by that amount?

the US standard for a 32 fl oz. container is a max of 1 fl oz. low, yours appears to be 4 fl oz low.

So with for quarts they are giving me more than they "have" to...

 

[core-aggie]

This reminds me of an oil purchase incident I experienced. I buy oil in one gallon containers (and sometimes in "five quart" containers).

Went to Wallyworld and bought a gallon container of motor oil. Came home, drained the oil, then went to fill it up with new oil.

I was shocked to discover, when I opened the "new" container, it was used oil.

Someone had changed their oil, drained the used oil into the new container, then took it back for a refund. Customer service said it was a "new trend" happening.

So whenever I buy oil now, I always open the cap to check to see if the seal is in place.

 

[Larry Fine]

Customer service said it was a "new trend" happening.

Then why don't they check before refunding?!

 

[dduelin]

It is a 4quart container labeled as 1 gallon. I had filled 3 quarts prior to that one being short. I added the 2/3 cup to make the difference and .1 quart to get the Honda spec. The Honda gauge says we are on full. I agree it could be a lot of things but if I filled 2/3 cup to much the site glass should show heavy, yes?

There are many threads on how variable the Honda gauge seems to be. Filled to the top then showing lower after a good ride or filled to top then overfilled the next eyeball check.

 

[dwalby]

It is a 4quart container labeled as 1 gallon. I had filled 3 quarts prior to that one being short.

I see, the underfill spec for a gallon is 2.5fl oz, so it appears that maybe you got shorted a bit, but not as bad as I first thought (I didn't think that looked like a quart container in the photo, but you didn't specify in the OP). However, maybe your measuring cup is a little off, or when you filled the first 3 quarts you were just a hair over on each of those pours. Seems close enough to the spec given the way you poured it out in stages.

 

[ReSTored]

Funny how the variance favors the vendor...........

I purchased a 1.2 kilo package of beef ribs at Costco and then weighted it at home. The box, the plastic wrapper and the ribs themselves weight a total of 900 grams........... 300 gr. short of what the uncooked ribs by themselves should have weighted. No hassle at Costco, I just returned the 2 packages to them for a refund. A month later, I noticed the same ribs for sale in the meat section of the store.

 

[SMSW]

Funny how the variance favors the vendor..........

Not always. I'm fond of a particular 'dunking' type cookie. The label says 680 grams. I've weighed the full container, subtracted the empty weight and the net wt of cookies has varied from 742 grams to 671 over 30 packages. The weights overwhelmingly are well over the minimum and closer to 700. (No, I've not run an average, my compulsiveness has limits. I do record the weights on the plastic lid.....)

It is a 4quart container labeled as 1 gallon. I had filled 3 quarts prior to that one being short. I added the 2/3 cup to make the difference and .1 quart to get the Honda spec.

Sounds like a rather imprecise way to measure the oil in that gallon container. I'm no longer sure you were shorted significantly.

 

[Larry Fine]

It should be easy enough to test the markings on gallon jugs.

 

[core-aggie]

Customer service said it was a "new trend" happening.

Then why don't they check before refunding?!

They do now ... when I visited customer service, they said they updated their return policy to include, "open the top and check for seal".

 

[dwalby]

Funny how the variance favors the vendor...........

yeah, I wonder about that myself. The tolerances allowed by the US standards would seem to be beyond what you'd expect for "production tolerances". I'm pretty sure modern production equipment could put 128 oz of motor oil into a container and be able to measure it to within a couple tenths of an oz, but I've never worked in that business so I don't know for sure.

Seems like a tolerance of 2.5 oz is inviting the mfr to short fill the bottle by 2 oz and be sure that they're always within the 2.5 oz standard.

 

[Larry Fine]

Seems like a tolerance of 2.5 oz is inviting the mfr to short fill the bottle by 2 oz and be sure that they're always within the 2.5 oz standard.

Also easy with modern equipment.

 

[Igofar]

While I use MMO in the fuel in all my bikes, you do realize that you just added an unknown type of oil into the oil that your clutch is bathed in right?

 

[ST Gui]

Downsizing products instead or or while slightly increasing price has been 'a thing' for a few years now. I noticed it back when ice cream was being sold in 1.75qt instead of .5gal. Not a big deal as it just means I buy an extra so I go home with 1gal+. But shorting the container of a product without noting the difference on the outside is just fraud.

Case in point some cookies I buy (part of my balanced ice cream diet) are short by six in a package. I checked several packages a few times. That's no accident. Of course the manufacture might be carefully checking to see that the package is juuuuuust within tolerance so as not to commit fraud. But ethically if not legally selling something as one weight/ item count/capacity or whatever while knowingly taking advantage of an allowed tolerance is fraud. What's ethics got to do with it. (Apologies to Tina.) It's retail Jake.

 

[Oldbikefixr]

This reminds me of an oil purchase incident I experienced. I buy oil in one gallon containers (and sometimes in "five quart" containers).

Went to Wallyworld and bought a gallon container of motor oil. Came home, drained the oil, then went to fill it up with new oil.

I was shocked to discover, when I opened the "new" container, it was used oil.

Someone had changed their oil, drained the used oil into the new container, then took it back for a refund. Customer service said it was a "new trend" happening.

So whenever I buy oil now, I always open the cap to check to see if the seal is in place.

Thanks for waking up some recent memories!!!!
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