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Whoa, is this the actually Stevia's bike or an example of a common issue? That awesome if you made the trip to help out!

For my knowledge, anything to prevent this from happening on mine? Would adding dielectric grease to this connector be beneficial? Or just watch for symptoms/issues and correct once it happens?

Thank you,
Ryan
Example of what happens. In this case, it may be similar grounding bundle that was left unplugged when alternator was replaced. Result would be power goes through remaining grounds that are plugged in. And fuel-pump connector may be easiest path to ground for power used elsewhere. However, brn fuel-pump power-wire burning up also may be sign of different fault. Not blowing fuses and flowing enough current to melt wiring is primary clue.

Don't put dielectric (rubber/silicone) grease on electrical contacts, it's not conductive and doesn't do much to clear existing corrosion. It's best used to pack into back of connectors to seal air-gap between plastic-housing and wiring to prevent moisture from creeping in and corroding terminals.

Better to use product specifically designed for contact terminals. This stuff has corrosion-dissolving components. Seals against moisture causing future corrosion. And it's conductive to improve transfer of electricity across without generating heat.
Amazon.com - DeoxIT L260-DG1
 
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Whoa, is this the actually Stevia's bike or an example of a common issue? That awesome if you made the trip to help out!

For my knowledge, anything to prevent this from happening on mine? Would adding dielectric grease to this connector be beneficial? Or just watch for symptoms/issues and correct once it happens?

Thank you,
Ryan
that burnt wire shows how a poor connection can burn/melt wires and connections with out blowing a fuse. It's like putting 20 amps through a wire that's only rated for 5 amps. see post 6 link
 

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Don't put dielectric (rubber/silicone) grease on electrical contacts, it's not conductive and doesn't do much to clear existing corrosion. It's best used to pack into back of connectors to seal air-gap between plastic-housing and wiring to prevent moisture from creeping in and corroding terminals.

Better to use product specifically designed for contact terminals. This stuff has corrosion-dissolving components. Seals against moisture causing future corrosion. And it's conductive to improve transfer of electricity across without generating heat.
Amazon.com - DeoxIT L260-DG1
Nice! Thank you, a tube is on order.
 
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Ok, we need to back up to see areas where errors may had crept in. I suspect damage may have occurred well before alternator was replaced. Summary of what we know:

27-nov-23 https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/ecu-replaced-and-now-voltage-regulator-playing-up.185491/ -
- regulator failed and sent out too-high voltage, might have been caused by corroded or disconnected sense-line sending low-voltage back to regulator
- high-voltage fried battery, caused sizzling sound @ filling station
- brought to garage in France
- they did something, now it's blowing fuses (eeidiots!)
- they cut blk wire between 2 relays to stop blowing fuses (eeidiots!)
- bike has no power no longer works, bike shipped back to UK
- "auto technician" said ECU was fried
- ECU replaced
- RR output measured 18.3v @2500rpm

30-jan-24 https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/help-needed-to-reasemble-after-alternator-change.185889/ -
- alternator replaced

31-jan-24 https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/loosing-the-will-to-live.185897/ (this thread)
- smoke coming out fuel-pump earth wire
- fuel-pump earth and power wires melted
- replaced both wires and also melted

Extremely important thing is being able to distinguish between cause and effect (results, symptoms). Background story to illustrate. I get call from neighbor about water in his kitchen:

- he originally puts down towels to soak up water
- then he had to do laundry every day to get more clean dry towels
- he sets up 4am timer so he can get up and swap towels due to water
- water is increasing and he sets 3-hr timers to swap towels
- getting desperate, lack of sleep, etc., he cuts hole in kitchen floor to drain water
- he consults with irrigation engineer to set up dams and levees in kitchen to direct water towards hole
- etc. etc. etc.

Of course fighting symptoms/effects is losing battle because actual cause of problem is ignored. All he had to do was fix faucet leak under sink and that would be it!!! That's actual problem!!!

Same in this case, we need to look at cause of blowing fuses, that's real problem! Frogs in France broke something trying to fix and caused fuse-blowing (probably fried ECU as well). Problem that caused blown-fuses was never found and repaired. Instead, they just clipped activation wire between BAS main-relay and fuel-pump relay so it doesn't power on bike. No more blown fuses, yay!!! But bike also doesn't work with no power either.

Now when bike was brought back, "auto electrician" claimed ECU was dead and replaced it. Fine... That's just one problem, perhaps... But they didn't do anything about 2nd problem frogs caused, blowing fuses caused by short in wiring!!! I suspect this auto electrician "solved" this blowing-fuse problem by bypassing fuse or using extra large fuse that won't blow. THAT's why fuel-pump wires are melting. Because frog's short is now sending extra amounts of current through wires that would've been blowing fuse originally. Problem is still there!

1. What fuse was it that was originally blowing in France?

2. Take look at that fuse (and all others for that matter). Has it been replaced with jumper or larger fuse???


None of these are proper solution to "fuse blowing". Find that short and fix it!!!

 
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