radar, laser, etc???

RP3

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This has probably already been addressed, but here goes.
I'm seeking opinions about radar detectors and the like.
Do they really work to warn you before it is too late or is it just an early warning that you are about to pay some road tax?
Do any LEO's have a personal or professional opinion?
 
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My radar detector has paid for itself many times over. I consider it as necessary as the ignition key. With the growing pressure on LEOs to generate income, speed traps are becoming more common and devotion to speed enforcement has increased exponentially. There is no protection against instant-on radar, as a recent "driving award" I just received proves, but a detector HAS saved my butt too many times to count.
I use a BELL.
 
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I just purchased a V-1 and am very satisfied with its performance. More than adequate warning time in my opinion. I believe it to be essential when touring on the slab.

Doc
 
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My radar detector has paid for itself many times over.
Same here, my Valentine One has paid for itself MANY times over!

There are some good detectors out there. I like the Valentine because of the directional arrows that let you know from which direction the signal is coming.
 
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My radar detector has paid for itself many times over. I consider it as necessary as the ignition key. With the growing pressure on LEOs to generate income, speed traps are becoming more common and devotion to speed enforcement has increased exponentially. There is no protection against instant-on radar, as a recent "driving award" I just received proves, but a detector HAS saved my butt too many times to count.
I use a BELL.
Amen! to MBST1100's post. I have a Passport 8500 that has saved me more than once!!! I did find it necessary to couple the audio alarm signal into my Amplirider audio amp, since it was way too easy not to pick up on the LED warnings quick enough and I needed something that would get my attention immediately!
 

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I have run a V-1 for years and it has "saved" me many times. However, radar detectors do not give you diplomatic immunity. Like all tools, you need to learn how to use it. If you are running by yourself, no radar detector will save you from instant on. Also, there are so many things (door openers, burglar alarms, etc) that operate on the same frequencies as police radar, as to render them almost useless in urban areas. Laser radar is virtually impossible to defend against, no matter what the advertisements for detectors say. The beam is so narrow and focused as to virtually eliminate any useful scatter that the detectors rely on.
Best defense:
-good radar detector
-be very vigilant and look as far ahead as possible
-tuck in behind (1/4 to 1/2 mile) a "rabbit" who is running at the speed you want
-travel at or near the speed limit if you are by yourself and your sight lines are limited.

Do these things and you will reduce, but not completely eliminate, the number of tickets you get. If you persistently run well above the speed limit, consider them a "tax on getting there".

Rod
 

nm6r

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My radar detector has paid for itself many times over. I consider it as necessary as the ignition key. With the growing pressure on LEOs to generate income, speed traps are becoming more common and devotion to speed enforcement has increased exponentially. There is no protection against instant-on radar, as a recent "driving award" I just received proves, but a detector HAS saved my butt too many times to count.
I use a BELL.

+1 (except the part about no protection against instant-on radar)

It's true, one would have no protection against instant-on radar if they were the only vehicle on the road. My experience has shown I was able to pick it up at least once before I was the target.

Laser is the one that will get you as the beam width is narrow enough you aren't likely to pick it up until you are the target. Then it's too late. Fortunately, laser is not used nearly as much as radar for a few reasons. It is not useable while the LEO is in motion, it has to be right on the vehicle that is the target so it requires a lot more attention from the LEO and it's more expensive for the departments to upgrade.

Ray
 

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Echo the comments above regarding my Passports, I have an 8500 x50 in the car and a 9500ix on the bike. One downside I've heard is that if you are pulled over the LEO will show no mercy if he spies your radar detector. I'd rather not be pulled over but even the best RD is no substitute for sharp eyes and situational awareness.
 

nm6r

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One downside I've heard is that if you are pulled over the LEO will show no mercy if he spies your radar detector.

I have often thought the same thing. That's one of the reasons I went with a 2-piece radar detector. The antenna is located behind the plastic of the front fairing and the control unit is in the fairing pocket. The last thing anyone needs is to be distracted having to look at a radar detector display on a motorcycle. I hear the band detected and strength of the alerts in my helmet speakers.

The added benefits of this type of arrangement is theft protection and weather protection. Out of sight, out of mind from thieves. It's also out of the weather all of the time and never needs to be taken off and put away.

Ray
 
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I'm a retired LEO, Yes I would have been lees likely to give a warning to someone with a radar detector. That said: I ride an ST1300 and also a brandy new 2010 Mustang GT....both feel very good when fast. I recently bought a Escort 9500xi, not because I am trying to breal the law...on purpose....but more because I strongly disagree and distrust speed and redlight cameras which are about to be used in NJ.

What is the best way to mount them on an ST1300? Will they work properly, excluding ladar, in a tank bag?

Theft and rain are concerns but I can't permanetly mount under the fairing because the Stang needs the Escort love too.
 

indypup

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I have my V1 mounted on a dash shelf. You can get a rain cover from Legal Speeding.com

The Radar Cover places the radar detector inside a form fitting enclosure. This protects the radar detector from moisture, dirt, and dust.



It's not hidden though and I have to remove it at night, etc.

The LEOs usually just look at my driving record and see past speeding tickets and then give me another one to add to the collection. A clean driving record is your best chance of getting a warning IMO. ;)
 

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I've been meaning to get one for a while. I need to read through this section and pick out a good one for a good price and pull the trigger. I'll be hiding mine as well. I do venture into VA on occasion and I'm likely to forget to turn it off so at least if I get picked up by a detector detector, I might be able to flip it off real quick and pass a quick inspection by one of VA's money grabbers.
 

Rodneypieon

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Hi I teach radar and laser for my service and have been since 2005. First radar and laser are two different ways to do speeding enforcement. Radar is not vehicle specific. Laser is vehicle specicfic. A properly trained laser operator can get a reading in 1/3 of a second - no detector I know can work that fast. Most lasers ranges start at about 600 meters (600 yards roughly) and go out to about 6 km ( about 3.6 miles). In excess of 100m (100 yds) even with an orange and yellow reflective safety vest you can't see the officer yet or make her/him out clearly and since the person is speeding they have even less time to assess what is out in front of them. My opinion - a laser detector is a waste of money.

With radar if you have a properly trained operator, they work the set in stand by mode till they see a speeder and then turn the set on and try and get a lock. In standby mode the radar set does not transmit any radio waves so there is nothing to detect. If you have a good operator they will probbaly get you 85% of the time. The value in a radar detector here is if the officer runs the set on all the time or was trying to track someone else then your detector will pick up the waves before the officer sees you and it works. Most mobile radar sets these days can track two vehicles simultaneously in stationary mode and the cruiser also if you are moving.

The particular set I use tracks the strongest signal which is usually the closest vehcile to me and my set also then displays the fastest vehcle in the pack in the direction I tell it to watch. Most modern radar sets can tell which way the car/truck is coming and you select the direction you like.
Most traffic officers have sets with radar cones in their front and rear windows so it doesn't matter which way or direction you are coming from you can be tracked if you are parallel in travel to the cruiser in either direction.

Everything hinges on the radar operator being well trained enough to operate properly so it is a hard question which way to go detector or not as far as radar goes. The best comment I have know of for speeding was made by a member of the judiciary up here who apparently said " we all speed just usually to the level we can afford". In Ontario, on our super slabs, the limit is 100 but it is opennly acknowledged the average speed is about 120.

Also in realtion to detectors your local laws are important to. In Ontario if
we have the grounds to search for your detector we can search anywhere in your vehicle including disassembly if warranted and we don't have to restore your vehicle back to its original state just like a customs inspection at the border. In a cage it is usually easy to spot the detectors
but in a bike that has no obvious signs of a detector, removal of tupperware would be the logical first step.

The first question in my mind would be how fast do I need to get there and
what am I willing to pay for that.

Rod
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thumperjdm

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I worked traffic briefly in the late '90's, which included radar operation.

Posts #7, #8, and #15 are spot on.

Staying behind a faster "rabbit" car is never a bad habit. If you're alone on the road, your detector will only alert you that your bank account is about to get smaller. And if you see truckers doing 55mph, then there's a patrol vehicle in the area.
 
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I use a Cobra with ear buds into an amplifier that has a priority input. This way I can listen to XM radio and when I get a radar hit it interupts the music with the alarm. Works great and has saved me several times...

 

st1300doug

Detectors work! Some better than others. You get what you pay for. Being a Cop for 15 yrs., a GOOD cop will tag you no matter what! Why? Pulse beam, hills, delayed beam projection, stop watch, pace method, Lydar (Aircraft) and a few other unprintable methods. BUT...80% of the time....you'll get the advanced "blip" you need to know something is ahead!!!;)
 
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Funny your LEO friends and the "10+ rule" That's about where I usually feel comfortable on the ST. Mustang....feels comfortable at anything above zero. I guess there is somehting to be said for having that very capable cage around you when in hyperdrive.

I can't remember ever writing a ticket for less than 10 over...usually much more than that. I honestly don't think of myself as now being on the other side of the fence...more like sitting right on top of it! No authority, but no-one looking over my shoulder to make sure I'm doing the right thing/setting a good example. Yes, my dept. did often do a records check to make sure we were behaving out of state and/or off duty. If I got into a accident or got a ticket or was in anyway involved in any police action I would have had to write a report giving full details to my Col. My Troop Comander or Bureau Chief then had to follow up and determine if IAB should investigate. Boys will be boys may have been ok back in the day, but not during the 25+ years I worked there.
 
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