Helmets Minor crash / No marks on helmet / Replace helmet anyway?

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I was involved in a minor crash on the 4th of July. Aside from a bruised hip where I landed on my cell phone and a few other minor aches, I'm fine. I've had it drilled into my head from an early age that anytime I fall while in motion, my instincts are to roll rather than slide to dissipate the energy. Post crash analysis revealed grass/dirt stains on my jacket, but I couldn?t find a single mark on my helmet. A friend of mine said that DOT recommends replacing the helmet regardless of the circumstances in the crash.

I hate to toss anything that I can?t find a problem with, but can you guys come up with one or more compelling reasons why I should replace it?

Thanks!
 
Well, how much is your head worth? That's the most compelling reason I can think of.

+1

I have seen comments from helmet manufacturers say that a dropped helmet may be OK but if you have weight in the helmet (your melon) it will damage the foam inside the helmet so it can't protect you in a later impact.

So if you can say for certain that the next time you need it the crash will be similar you may be OK but otherwise it should be replaced. Of course we were not there and we cannot see your helmet. If it came in contact with the ground with my head in it I would be cutting the chin strap and hanging it on the wall next to the deer antlers.
 
The helmet is designed to absorb the kinetic energy of your head at the moment it impacts a solid object. In doing so, it destroys all the absorbing layers. If the helmet did not impact anything while your head was in it, it did not destroy the absorbing layers. You are the only one who knows exactly what happened to the helmet.

Did it or did it not impact a solid object while your head was in it? Why replace it if it has not been used? Why take chances if you're not sure?
 
If the helmet didn't have any impact at all, then it's ok... you just have to ask yourself, did it have impact or not?

The internal compression material is what they are worried about... once compressed, it's done it's job ;)
 
If your helmet never took a blow I wouldn't replace it, I've dropped mine while gasing up etc. put a little nick or ding in it and never felt the need to replace it. But that's me, if you have any doubt buy a new one, drill a hole in the other one an make a lamp out of it! Glad the spill wasn't too serious.
 
How old is the helmet? If it has some age on it, this might be a good excuse to upgrade. The fact that you asked the question indicates that you're concerned; are you going to worry about it working if you crash again? If it were your wife or kid's helmet, would you replace it "just in case?" If you're not going to worry about it, keep it. If it's going to bother you, why not treat yourself to a new one?
 
I purchased the helmet a few months ago. I never felt my head touch at all.

It may sound weird, but when we were kids, my brother and I spent a HUGE amount of time climbing trees and building treehouses. For whatever reason, we decided one day to learn how to fall without getting hurt. We started by standing on the lowest point of the garage roof, jumping off, and rolling as soon as we hit. Within a half hour, we were jumping from the peak! Ever since then, whenever I've fallen while in motion, I automatically hit-n-roll. I've used this extensively while playing soccer, and have had to employ it a few times while riding bicycle and rollerblading. I learned to roll so that my head doesn't hit.

I fully understand the issue with the inner layers getting crushed. I just figured that if I had hit my head with any force that would have crushed the inner layers, it would have left a mark on the outside. But as others have said, it's best to be safe than sorry!

Thanks for the input!
 
If it's a Shoei or Arai, both companies will inspect helmets free if you send it to them.

--Mark
 
+1

My helmet only showed minor scratching, but it's a one shot item, your head is worth the investment.

Replace the helmet, you KNOW it makes sense....... better safe than the alternatives.
 
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I would not replace a few months old helmet that didn't even have a mark on it, but that's me. I would inspect the white foam layer for a crack or some sign of the foam being compressed.

As far as a one shot item, I don't know. Back in the late 60s people that had concussions Doctors had kids play football in motorcycle crash helmets. I was playing middle linebacker against a team that the entire backfield wore crash helmets and I guaran-dang-tee you they used their helmets more than one shot on me.
 
Glad you are ok!

I personally, would replace the helmet. Your head is worth the $300 or so insurance.
 
I am intrigued that folk don't see a helmet in the same way as, say, an airbag.... if your helmet has been in an accident then it's been in an accident......

Try having an accident without one and you will get the picture.. oh wait, maybe you wouldn't as you might be on life support, or dead.

Blunt?

Yup.

But hey, it's your head.
 
If it's a Shoei or Arai, both companies will inspect helmets free if you send it to them.

--Mark

Yep, wife actually totalled her bike on a mountain curve and had scratches on the surface of her Arai Profile. I looked at it carefully and even removed the liner to inspect inner surfaces. I couldn't find any indentations or visible indications, HOWEVER, we heard that Arai will inspect them for only the cost of return shipping. We sent in her helmet and they stated that the helmet was not damaged and suitable for use. She's still riding with it.

We would have replaced it if we couldn't get an independent thorough inspection that was more than just visual inspection.

I too have heard that Shoei does the same thing.

If you're helmet is neither, you may want to contact the manufacturer to see if they will inspect it or provide a discount or whatever.
 
Well if it were me I'd continue to use the helmet, here's why: First off, the fact that you can't see any marks on the outside is telling me that you probably didn't impact the ground with it. What color is your helmet? If it's black like all of mine have been it doesn't take much to put a mark on the paint. Second, what are the odds of you having another significant accident where you need the protection of the helmet? Third, what are the odds of landing on the exact same spot on the helmet if you do have that accident? Pretty small indeed.

The easy answer is always going to be "replace it" but I'd continue to wear it and I wouldn't lose any sleep over my decision.
 
One of my first rides with my new Nolan 102 (a few years ago).... I pull up to Nyener's house in Iowa, put the helmet on the seat, and as I reach out to shake hands, the helmet falls off and bounces on the driveway. Terry says "Are you gonna get a new helmet??" I say I just did!!! I finally replaced it 4 years and 50000 miles later.
 
I have absolutely no doubt I would put it on and use it. Hitting the road will leave a mark.
I own a pricy helmet and I have dropped it on a concrete floor. Since it is a Euro Standard helmet the shell is a little softer and resilient than say an older Snell certified helmet. I have complete faith that the shell is not cracked or otherwise damaged. The foam could be damaged if my head was in it on the trip to the floor and if that had happened I might think about the decision differently but if an expensive helmet is not tough enough to survive a fall to the floor then really how much protection can it really offer. You fell to the road from around 6 or 7 feet at head level. Most of your injury was from the fall to the road. After that, it is burns and abrasions unless you run into an immovable object. A high side might increase the height a few more feet but that is close to the protection capabilities of a bicycle helmet. The 100 meter slide is where we really I appreciate the hard shell, but if the scenario involves a solid object with a high kinetic energy I quickly lose faith that a helmet offers enough protection, or leathers, or boots, or gloves, or????
 
I am intrigued that folk don't see a helmet in the same way as, say, an airbag.... if your helmet has been in an accident then it's been in an accident......

Try having an accident without one and you will get the picture.. oh wait, maybe you wouldn't as you might be on life support, or dead.

Blunt?

Yup.

But hey, it's your head.

You can see the air bag deployed, or evidence that it was (BTDT!). No evidence of the helmet doing it's job here... scratches... nicks... whatever.

If it was over 3 y/o, and had any sign of a hit, then I would... but I don't see that here based on what the OP said.

If you want to waste your money, go ahead. It's like every 3k miles changing your... can't say it... LOL!!! :D
 
Here's what happened, for those who are curious...

I was on a neighborhood street, traveling between two fairly close stop signs, so I was moving at 20-25 mph max. The '99 Taurus that hit me was parked on the right side of the road. When I was about two driveways away, the brake lights illuminated, alerting me to the fact that it was occupied. Since there was no oncoming traffic, I moved over a few feet to the left, putting me in the other lane. At about one driveway way, the left turn signal came on, and I moved over almost to the curb on the left, figuring if they for some reason started to drive off, I'd be past them without a problem.

As I started to pass the car, it suddenly pulled out and hung a left turn towards the driveway on the left side of the road, to use it as a turnaround to go the other way. I felt it hit my right pannier and instead of stopping, the car seemed to accelerate, as if the driver panicked. I cut the handlebars to the left in an attempt to keep the ST moving more or less straight ahead, but the car completely shoved me off the left side of the road. At that point, the ST was pretty much sideways and the tires were digging into the grass, and it started to fall over. I decided it was time to depart the ST and I jumped as hard as I could away from the ST.

I impacted on my left side in the grass, in a motion kind of like when you dive over something. I do that fairly often playing indoor soccer. I immediately went into the "hit-n-roll" motion so that I'd continue to move away from the ST. Unfortunately, I had my cell phone hanging on my left hip and it took the brunt of the impact. I wouldn't be nearly as sore if the cell phone hadn't been there, so lesson learned! It’ll be tucked in a fairing pocket from now on.

After a few rolls, I came to a stop on my back. The couple that lives in the house of the yard I rolled in happened to be standing near their front window. They heard the impact, looked out the window, and saw me rolling across the grass. They immediately dialed 911 and headed out the door towards me. I laid there for about 30 seconds, checking myself out. Other than my hip, I felt fine. I sat up, then stood up, and declined having an ambulance sent to the scene. I told the 911 operator that I'd head to the hospital on my own to get checked out, which I did.

Three X-rays confirmed nothing was broken. When the doctor first came into my private “curtained” area, I could see his face cringing a little as he was anticipating the worst. I guess they assume the worst when they’re informed they have a motorcycle accident victim to check out. One of his first questions was, “Were you wearing a helmet?”. I said, “Yes, and a motorcycle jacket, and motorcycle pants, and boots, and gloves”. His face lit up and he said, “Oh really? That’s incredibly refreshing to hear!”.

My '99 ST is not a small bike as you all well know. I have the brighter bulbs in the headlight and I wear a day-glow First Gear mesh jacket. I by no means attempt to hide from anyone. The '99 Taurus had the stock side view mirrors without additional convex mirrors, so I imagine the little old lady driving it may have glanced at it, but didn't move her head around to give her the complete picture. In retrospect, I should have given her a quick blast of my Stebel horn, but the scenario of what happened didn't occur to me. It sure will from this point on! My mindset while riding is that it’s my responsibility not to allow anyone to hit me, rather than assuming it’s everyone else’s responsibility not to hit me.

I do a lot of cycling as well and approach it the same way. It kills me though, to think that I’ve pedaled my bicycle from the Canadian border in Maine to Key West Florida over six trips (2400+ miles), and I’ve never had an incident. I even spent 6 hours riding around Manhattan without a problem. And within a half mile of my house on a quiet neighborhood street, some little old lady about takes me out!!!
 
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