Accidently touched positive battery to frame - sparks

Mine is slightly different from @STRider 's version.
Yeah, it appears they changed it at some point. Maybe in 96 when they did the alternator upgrade and changed a number of things under the left sidepanel?

Those clips in my earlier post are from a service manual that I found *cough, cough* on-line.

My first edition hardcopy manual accurately shows what's on my bike, FWIW.

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IIRC my '97 looks like the 2000 version Christian_64 posted, it only has the vertical retainer bar, nothing horizontal.

On mine I never recall having to remove the negative battery cable before removing the retainer, so my experience is different than STRider. I can access the positive terminal directly after dropping the retainer down, and the negative battery cable is still attached.
 
As Dwalby said you might have dodged a bullet here. Just thank your lucky stars you don't have a bike full of ECM modules and canbus systems etc, etc, etc. If you did it would be real expensive,
all can bus is, a communication line that allows all the modules to talk to each other and a scanner. Module will store fault codes and you need a way to read them. An auto has and uses many different types on communication lines and have since computers were first used. An ST1100 with abs trac control has a hi speed com line ( don't know which one) Once you understand how it works it's not all that difficult. And yes Tom is correct most can lines are about 2.5-5 volts.
 
A completely Luddite misunderstanding of modern Canbus systems. CAN transceivers are short circuit protected by design. An accidental short will result in no damage or "expensive" repairs. At most a simple clearing of fault codes once the short is removed is required. :rolleyes:

From Google:
"Signals are extremely low current signals and, by design, no damage will occur if either CAN High or Low are shorted to each other, B+ or ground. I have seen many shorted CAN signals caused from rodent damaged wires or faulty control modules and no damage was created by the short. Note that power-train CAN buses can not operate on "single wire mode". If either CAN high or low is shorted the communication will stop on the entire bus. Usually body related CAN buses can operate in single wire mode. If you do accidentally short either CAN signal you are likely to induce fault entries into the vehicle control modules that will need to be cleared after the wiring is repaired."

Tom
If I had a bike like a New BMW with all their computer controlled modules and fancy doo dads I sure would not want to find out what a short would do or not. ;)
 
I'd expect a Luddite to prefer smoke to be their electrical short warning. :thumb:

Tom
Actually I have quite a bit of training in electronic's and just to let you know a electronic board can be rendered useless by only a half a volt or less on the wrong terminal. It doesn't take much so you don't need to see smoke....but I guess you knew that. Also had static electricity blow one before. Seen it happened to another technician at my shop. These newer chips can't take it like the older ones.
 
Actually I have quite a bit of training in electronic's and just to let you know a electronic board can be rendered useless by only a half a volt or less on the wrong terminal. It doesn't take much so you don't need to see smoke....but I guess you knew that. Also had static electricity blow one before. Seen it happened to another technician at my shop. These newer chips can't take it like the older ones.
yea you can melt a foil circuit with a 1/2 volt but why can drivers (in a computer not talking about Russ) still work after being shorted......... you can screw up anything if you know the right way to do it
 
yea you can melt a foil circuit with a 1/2 volt but why can drivers (in a computer not talking about Russ) still work after being shorted......... you can screw up anything if you know the right way to do it
Before I retired when the boards went bad on copier machines yep the hard drives were ok. Most calls were after a storm and when power came back on boom a power surge caused the power supply board to go. Also had people stick paper clips into copier machine paper feed and pick rollers trying to get paper jam out. Clip accidently falls into machine and shorts out low voltage power supply board. But yeah driver is ok. I think its like motor and clutches and solenoids do not get affected like electronic chips. These things were so delicate that you handled them with a glove and grounding clip to avoid any static electricity.
 
Before I retired when the boards went bad on copier machines yep the hard drives were ok. Most calls were after a storm and when power came back on boom a power surge caused the power supply board to go. Also had people stick paper clips into copier machine paper feed and pick rollers trying to get paper jam out. Clip accidently falls into machine and shorts out low voltage power supply board. But yeah driver is ok. I think its like motor and clutches and solenoids do not get affected like electronic chips. These things were so delicate that you handled them with a glove and grounding clip to avoid any static electricity.
I was referring to not hard drives but the drivers that control solenoids, motors, injectors. In auto those wires can get shorted to ground, shorted to voltage and the computer does not fail it shuts down that circuit. auto/bike computer controlled systems are fairly durable but not bullet proof.
 
I was referring to not hard drives but the drivers that control solenoids, motors, injectors. In auto those wires can get shorted to ground, shorted to voltage and the computer does not fail it shuts down that circuit. auto/bike computer controlled systems are fairly durable but not bullet proof.
Same thing with a copier machine. For instance say as a tech I get a call for a machine that won't feed paper. Now if its electronically related I get a fault code. This code will tell me my paper feed motor or clutch is not rotating or engaging. So I pull out my trouble shooting book or lap top software and plug it into copier machine. My trouble shooting would look like this a visual inspection and then ohming out the clutch, motor and wire harness. If thats all good I would put the machine in diagonostic mode to see if the 24 dc operating voltage to get the motor/clutch to operate is present. If my 24 volts is not present then I'm looking at a driver chip on my low voltage power supply board. I either unsoldered it and replace it or if its one of those etched circuit boards it get replaced.
 
Update on battery short: no headlights at all and left hand indicator has gone. Amy suggestions plz.
 
is the battery strong enough to start the bike?

No logical explanation as to why an external short could have affected internal electricals, so my first guess would be your battery is marginal let's rule that out first.
 
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