I'll be 70 and probably riding competition only off road stuff or a convertible (too proud to ride a trike).
First, a zero emission motorcycls would imply that they do not emit anything but the term never takes into account the notion of where they get their energy from.
... and consider the fact into account that you first have to build those... the whole production from mining bauxite, copper, ore, etc... and you'd have to "recycle" the old vehicles, firing up scrap furnaces...I believe that that the hydrogen fuel cell electric cars (2021 Honda Clarity, Hyundai Nexo and Toyota Mirai) would be a much cleaner and possibly cheaper alternative...
That's how I understood it.Wonder if this means "all new motorcycles" from 2035 with anything older grandfathered in or does it mean any motorcycle at all.
" The British government plans to ban the sale of new petrol-powered motorcycles. From 2035 all new motorcycles must be zero emission. "
"Pedal bikes are back againThen, we're all going to be dusting off the ol' Schwinn that's been dry rotting in the garage/store room for all these years.
This is probably the most salient point. That, and the fact that my father instilled into me the ethos of "quit arguing, be part of the solution, and you'll be happier."At one point the world was lit by whale oil. Things change.
This, to me, is the problem. The obvious answer that most don't seem to realise, is that we could look to flip the situation - I wonder what would happen if sales taxes were diverted to usage taxes. No tax to buy fuel or vehicles, but you get taxed by using them.they are stymied in trying to come close to the energy density of petroleum.
My highschool Geography teacher, Mr Price, was a man I fondly remember for two reasons - his humour, and his views on freedom. I remember the debate well - one kid in the class was misbehaving, and rather than reprimanding them for the "you can't tell me to do sh--, I have the right to freedom" - he calmly replied "how free do you all actually think you are?"What troubles me at a very basic level is being told what, where, and when I can own, purchase, operate machines, and control my activity.
For close on two decades, I've been unhappy with UK politics and steadily working on plans to emigrate. The last 8 years, I lived somewhere that didn't have natural gas, and the electricity supply would randomly cut out. I had an oil tank, an open fire, and a diesel generator. For the last few months I've been living on a farm with bio-fuel heating. In the future, at the moment, I'm considering "van life" while still continuing to work in IT.What's going to happen when the electrical grids fall apart?
Already there has been talk about taxing miles driven. This is how the Gov will regain revenue from Vehicles. Big Brother will be watching you.PS: Once the government realizes how much tax revenue they are going to lose from fuel taxes, they might think twice about banning internal combustion engines.
What the big lie is all you are doing is trading pollution for pollution. As you run your electric motor powered vehicle you are producing ozone. Which I thought was a no no. Every time you charge your electric vehicle you are producing emissions. There are those who say there will be more electric magnetic field pollution tied to all these motors introduced into the enviornment. There is net zero gain here but the lie goes on.... and consider the fact into account that you first have to build those... the whole production from mining bauxite, copper, ore, etc... and you'd have to "recycle" the old vehicles, firing up scrap furnaces...
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The most efficient department in any government always seems to be the department that conceives new ways to generate tax revenues, and they have already figured this one out. Various governments have already begun looking in to taxing miles driven as opposed to taxing fuel purchased, simply because projected EV sales will significantly reduce fuel tax revenue. There has already been a mandate in Europe that the GPS system that is built-in to every vehicle that is produced, whether it is accessible to the driver or nor, must be functional and can not be disabled. First step down the tracking of miles driven path?PS: Once the government realizes how much tax revenue they are going to lose from fuel taxes, they might think twice about banning internal combustion engines.
We don't need to commute if we have the luxury of working from home. Not so easy for the brick layer, plumber, the grocery store clerk, the gas station attendant, the toilet paper factory worker, etc., etc., etc.. The people who fill these jobs usually live farther out of the town centre because what these jobs pay does not afford them the financial means to live in town. What the pandemic showed is that society can't function without people doing these jobs. Most of them, at least at current pricing, can not afford an electric vehicle either. How will they get to work to do the jobs that we have learned society can not function with out? Effective and affordable public transit will need to be drastically expanded to accommodate many of these people and where they live. Public transit in to rural areas in not affordable or effective in my experience. Time will tell I guess.but also, working in IT, the pandemic demonstrated very well that we don't need to commute... so I might be riding in an all electric bus instead...
... and consider the fact into account that you first have to build those... the whole production from mining bauxite, copper, ore, etc... and you'd have to "recycle" the old vehicles, firing up scrap furnaces...
You're right @ST1100Y, aren't we doing that now? It has always been if you cut a piece of wood you have to clean up the sawdust and get rid of the scrap. What alternative do you suggest? I just think fuel cell cars and the process of building them, procuring the materials and recycling scrap will be better than than the same steps involved with battery powered cars.
Emphasis added, and yes, I agree, that's why I said that I was only talking for myself, not for wider society.We don't need to commute if we have the luxury of working from home.
How about breaking the loop of "needing" a new phone every three months, a new computer and TV every six months and a new car every two years?You're right @ST1100Y, aren't we doing that now? It has always been if you cut a piece of wood you have to clean up the sawdust and get rid of the scrap. What alternative do you suggest?
State governments in the US have already figured that one out. They attach a surcharge to your annual vehicle registration if it is an EV to make up for the lost gas tax revenue.Revenue loss from gas taxes is a real issue.
With EVs on the way, what comes after the gas tax?
With a gas tax, the more you drive, the more you contribute to road maintenancedriving.ca
Broken that loop decades ago as my motorcycle bought new is now 21 years old. Same for my old 16 year old Toyota. 14 year old Samsung tv so yeah I'm on the band wagon. But now that you mention it come Jan 1 2022 they are going to shut down the 3G network forcing me to give up my 10 year old flip phone....now thats cruelHow about breaking the loop of "needing" a new phone every three months, a new computer and TV every six months and a new car every two years?
A provoking concept though...
You have to add the production and delivery of the electricity as well, especially when most of the electricity comes from thermal power plants burning fossil fuels and producing emissions.If you calculate emissions, you must include the manufacturing process including raw materials, the mining of raw materials AND the ultimate recycling of the vehicles. From what I have read, the batteries can only be partially recycled . The advantage of ev's is not nearly as great as we are being led to believe..