Idle adjustment cable

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It looks like my Idle adjustment cable is seized solid. (part 16029-MCS-003). Is there any simpler way to unstick this, or do I have to remove the throttle body and replace it. Robert Claridge previously posted his repair (https://www.st-owners.com/forums/forums/st1300-articles.546). I'm just hoping there is a simpler method that doesn't involve taking the throttle bodies off.

Is there a video showing throttle body removal?
 
It’s been a long time since I was that deep in my ST1300 but I think trying to free it with a penetrating lubricant can be done by just removing the air box. If it cannot be freed at that point you are at the point of removing the throttle bodies. The TB will be right there and ready to be removed.
 
It’s been a long time since I was that deep in my ST1300 but I think trying to free it with a penetrating lubricant can be done by just removing the air box. If it cannot be freed at that point you are at the point of removing the throttle bodies. The TB will be right there and ready to be removed.
Thanks, but I don't think that's gonna' work ;-(
 
did you try pushing it in or pulling it out ? not sure which but i know the cable is normally in a locked position. there will be others giving correct input soon
 
It looks like my Idle adjustment cable is seized solid. (part 16029-MCS-003). Is there any simpler way to unstick this, or do I have to remove the throttle body and replace it. Robert Claridge previously posted his repair (https://www.st-owners.com/forums/forums/st1300-articles.546). I'm just hoping there is a simpler method that doesn't involve taking the throttle bodies off.

Is there a video showing throttle body removal?
The throttle adjustment cable is not a cable in the sense of a cable within a sheath. It is just a flexible tube that links the adjustment knob with the adjuster screw at the throttle body. If I remember correctly it is rubber coated. Usually what happens is the tube sticks to the rubber mat underneath the throttle bodies and gives you the impression that it seized when it's just stuck. You can try squirting some silicone into the cavity. I have also found that if you remove the adjustment knob from the spring clip that holds it, you can straighten that cable out and then the adjuster should work fine. If, after that it still doesn't want to turn then the problem will be the adjustment screw at the throttle bodies which will necessitate taking it apart to the throttle bodies to free it up. you probably wouldn't have to remove the throttle bodies but you will have to get to them, which means removing the tank and the air breather.
 
I don't think you have to remove the throttle bodies to even replace this cable. I've adjusted and lubricated the end of the idle cable assembly where it connects to the shaft of the throttle butterfly actuators. (if your cable slack adjustment at the throttle is almost maxed out, you can take up some of that slack at the throttle body)
You just have to remove the gas tank, then the air box and it's right there under the rubber mat. Like Brent mentioned, it rarely seizes and if straightened out will more than likely turn. With the engine off, try turning your throttle grip a little, taking pressure off the cable and it might turn easier. Then if that works blip the throttle a little when the engine is running every time you adjust the idle.
Good luck...
 
I'm still not getting it. Okay, the idle adjustment "cable"/whatzit is a metal something that is encased in the plastic cover. If I had a new one, by itself, then I could rotate the throttle stop screw knob and the other end would turn? The black throttle stop screw knob should be removable from the end of the cable/whatzit (it's not moving). I guess I'm not seeing how it would be possible to replace the cable/whatzit without removing the throttle body...doesn't seem possible
 
They're saying it's not a cable in a housing, it's a coated cable, that it sticks to the rubber mat, and you should be able to break it loose by straightening it and turning it, probably in both directions, and perhaps while pushing and/or pulling.

(I didn't know fuel-injected bikes had or needed idle speed adjusters.) It's part #2 here:

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I'm still not getting it. Okay, the idle adjustment "cable"/whatzit is a metal something that is encased in the plastic cover. If I had a new one, by itself, then I could rotate the throttle stop screw knob and the other end would turn? The black throttle stop screw knob should be removable from the end of the cable/whatzit (it's not moving). I guess I'm not seeing how it would be possible to replace the cable/whatzit without removing the throttle body...doesn't seem possible
Im sure you have seen these flexible socket extentions. This is the same design as the idle adjustment cable. The cable, however is coated in rubber. Under the throttle bodies is a rubber mat, as well as a bunch of rubber hoses. As the cable is routed through this myriad of rubber obstacles, it rubs and sticks to said obstacles. When the adjustment knob is in the holder (which can be temporarily removed) the cable is twisted and winding through the maze, making it more apt to binding. If you remove the adjustment knob from the holder, it will usually straighten the cable some, giving it the most freedom to turn. Sometimes, if you blindly spray a bit of WD in the abyss where the cable is going, it will help as well. If after all of this, you still cant turn the knob, there is a chance that the adjuster is seized at the throttle bodies. In this case, you will have to remove the airbox, at which point you will have access to the adjustment screw. As @Kevcules pointed out, you will be able to service it without having to remove the throttle bodies. Hope this helps
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Here's one on eBay with 11 photos of it off the bike, showing different angles

hard to believe the guy wants to get $40 for this used part...maybe, I'm in dreamland
...With the engine off, try turning your throttle grip a little, taking pressure off the cable and it might turn easier. Then if that works blip the throttle a little when the engine is running every time you adjust the idle.
Good luck...

pretty sure that opening the throttle has nothing to do with the idle adjustment. The throttle is only connected to the butterfly valves, not the idle circuit. Inspite of all the excellent suggestions and advice, I still can't figure out how this cable actually works. What is the spring for at the wax assembly end for? I guess i have never successfully operated this cable...are you supposed to pull it out against the spring, and then turn it. It still doesn't turn at all for me.
 
Read the post by CYYJ half way down the page. Fairly common issue.


If you have to remove the fuel tank and air box to go see why your cable won't turn, you will understand how turning the throttle a little first, takes pressure off the cable and it can be turned easier.

Good luck....
 
Post 33 onwards in this thread might help, Andy: Idle Speed Adjustment-ST1300 | ST1300 Related | Page 2 | ST-Owners.com - to wit, you push the knob inwards in order to turn it, though apparently using the appropriate JIS screwdriver to turn it is preferable to turning the knob itself. There's apparently* no cable inside the tube; thus it must be more like those flexy couplings you get for 1/4" drive socket wrenches, but coated in rubber, which is why it tends to get caught on other things.

I say this mostly in theory because I've yet to diagnose why the adjuster on my bike is stuck.

* conspiracy theory apparently too
 
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(I didn't know fuel-injected bikes had or needed idle speed adjusters.)
Used to set base or minimum idle speed, after that the computer takes care of idle speed based on sensor inputs.

pretty sure that opening the throttle has nothing to do with the idle adjustment.
Opening the throttles takes the force of the throttle return springs out of the equation, meaning that less force is needed to turn the adjuster because it is no longer pushing against the force of the return spring pressure.

The type of cable that you are thinking of is a flexible cable inside of a sheath. When rotated, the inside flexible cable rotates while the exterior sheath does not.
This is not a flexible cable inside of a sheath. It is a flexible cable that has a protective coating of some kind bonded to the outside of it. The entire thing rotates as one piece as opposed to a cable rotating inside of a sheath. If it can not be rotated, it is because it is binding somewhere along its path, or the adjustment threads at the end of it are seized in their receptacle.
Remove the cause of the binding and/or free up and lubricate the threaded tip so that it can turn freely.

The purpose of the spring is to keep the adjuster threads under constant tension. This is to prevent the adjuster from rotating, due to vibrations, and changing the idle adjustment.
The same principle as the idle mixture and idle speed adjustment screws on carburetors, which also have a spring on them.
 
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Opening the throttles takes the force of the throttle return springs out of the equation, meaning that less force is need to to move the throttles to adjust them so less force is needed to turn the adjuster because it is no longer pushing against the force of the return spring pressure.

This is probably worth repeating. Similarly, it's why certain Italian supercars with six Webers on top tend to have rather strongly sprung accelerator pedals.
 
I still can't figure out how this cable actually works. What is the spring for at the wax assembly end for? I guess i have never successfully operated this cable...are you supposed to pull it out against the spring, and then turn it. It still doesn't turn at all for me.

Start reading this thread with Post #33 and continue reading from there, this link will jump you to #33 ... tap the link below

 
Read the post by CYYJ half way down the page. Fairly common issue.


If you have to remove the fuel tank and air box to go see why your cable won't turn, you will understand how turning the throttle a little first, takes pressure off the cable and it can be turned easier.

Good luck....
Not trying to be disputatious, but I think I've actually sussed out how it works...I'm sure it's more accurately described elsewhere. (I made two little videos, but I see that *.mp4 is not allowed -- what is the right video format?). Anyhow, the wax assembly is heated up by the coolant. As it warms up, I imagine an internal spring retracts the little pistons in the idle circuit, uncovering ports on the top of the throttle body (like a choke). The idle adjustment screw is on the other side of that lever and makes small adjustments to how far those ports open. Here's a photo with the wd40 nozzle on top of the idle adjustment screw. The wax assembly pushrod is below it in the photo. At the bottom, I drew a little arrow pointing out the idle air ports that are progressively uncovered as the wax warms. The throttle is not connected to that circuit...I'm pretty sure about that. It seems like an old timey way to do it...kind of a transition between a choke and an idle circuit fully controlled by the ECM
 

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goddamn, there it goes...I just didn't understand how the hell it worked (and ***** I was doing!). You all helped me avoid a typical Andy move (thinking I understand something, taking it apart, breaking it, being overcome with self loathing, then finally fixing it the right way). Yeah, the purpose of the spring on the end of the cable is to lock it in place. If the cable collar is restrained by the brass colored bracket, then pushing of the screw itself compresses the spring and enables it the screw to rotate. Thank you, thank you. I am trying to leave for Mexico on the 15th (if it stops raining).
 
(I made two little videos, but I see that *.mp4 is not allowed -- what is the right video format?)

Personally, I upload the video to my YouTube site, then post an "unlisted" link in the forum ... that way, the video is not Publicly visible, but only those who have the link can view.


(Ya, I know, people lurking this forum and others can see the link, but less probable)
 
Personally, I upload the video to my YouTube site, then post an "unlisted" link in the forum ... that way, the video is not Publicly visible, but only those who have the link can view.


(Ya, I know, people lurking this forum and others can see the link, but less probable)


They were crappy 2 second, shakey videos and not worth posting. Next time when I have a point to prove, thanks!
 
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