Attach a sidecar

This one appeared on FB, a great BMW K1200 LT with a well-built HGT sidecar. Can't find much on HGT, only 3 K1200 LTs were built and are mentioned as: HGT DE 1980s Higgins (AU) (see Highway SC).



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Since we are talking about motorcycles with sidecars, I almost have to add a picture of the only motorcycle with a sidecar I have ever owned. CJ750 bought during a holiday trip in Shanghai, China and shipped by boat to Norway which took a few months to arrive.




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You missed the missing Sarcasm emoticon, because my phone refuses to save any of them in my posts.
I guess I did. It appeared to me as being a valid question.
But I'm pretty sure you CAN tip one over if you're unused to them, or if you are careless in turns. And if you did, weight would definitely be a factor in trying to right it again.
With enough determination I am certain that a person can flip just about any vehicle. This applies to just about every four-wheeled vehicles as well but how likely that is under normal circumstances when being driven by someone who isn't being foolish is rather slim. The same applies to a side-car rig. Some of the modern more sophisticated side-cars designed for road use even allow the motorcycle to lean just about as much as it normally would making tipping them over close to impossible. I would also hope that anyone transitioning to a hack would take the time to familiarize themselves with how it handles and how to handle it. If I were considering a side-car tipping it over or its weight are not something that would consume much if any of my concern.
 
Not many experienced hack pilots here, to my knowledge.
@jfheath had one, @Nashcat still does.
psssst. Check out my Avatar. For the past 30 years a not conventional chair (leaning sidecar) but prior to that 1975-77 Jawa 350 & Jawa Sidecar, 1980-1986 BMW R80/7 & Watsonian Palma. Pictures show about to leave for, and in the Sahara Desert. Stupid, stupid, stupid..... but what an experience :oops: Note the missing spotight and mudguard... victims of the corrugations on the west east saharan road!

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Good on ya!
I was merely pointing out y'all are in the minority.
Don't really wanna own one, but the idea of flying a sidecar is intriguing.
It's a whole different animal, though.
 
I had a 1988 Venture with a California Friendship II sidecar attached. I rode many miles with my wife and son.
I sidecar rig is a completely different animal to ride. A trike is much easier to handle, but you can't have three riders on trikes, except for the Rewaco ST-3

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Don't really wanna own one, but the idea of flying a sidecar is intriguing.


I’ve purposely tried flying my hack, but haven’t succeeded, probably due to the extra width of this model car, plus I usually have 120 pounds of furry ballast in the seat.

What most people don’t understand, and I’ll admit I did some head scratching, is the rig flys when turning toward the side with the car. Everybody first assumes that you can normally lean the bike away from the car, but it doesn’t work that way.

John

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What most people don’t understand, and I’ll admit I did some head scratching, is the rig flys when turning toward the side with the car. Everybody first assumes that you can normally lean the bike away from the car, but it doesn’t work that way.
It's like doing a wheelie: you're effectively trying to drive the bike (the tires) under the center of gravity.
 
I am going to talk Uk side of the road. Chair mounted on the left. Driving on the left side of the road.

Just like a normal car taking a left hand corner very quickly, the passenger is thrown towards the driver. All of the weight is on the right hand wheels.

The sidecar, being much lighter a much easier way of throwing itself towards the rider, there is relatively little weight, it can just swing up over his head.
This happens with very little effort. Put the bars on full lock left and set off even slightly too quickly, the sidecar will lift. Especially if it is empty.
I used to keep two small concrete paving blocks in the boot of the sidecar.

it is quite a dangerous situation, you’re steering left because there’s somewhere on the the right that would rather not be. Oncoming traffic; a bollard; the hedge on the other side of the road. The only way you can get the chair back down again is either to steer right into oncoming traffic, or get your weight over the sidecar. That is a clever trick if you can do it - you are already off balance.

So mostly, riders of unloaded sidecars will enter a left hander very cautiously. The smoothest way is to accelerate slightly so that the bike is going faster than the sidecar, to make the turn easier. So you have to slow down more so that you can do that.

Right hand corners are much more fun. There is no way that the bike is going to lift over the sidecar. Well, not much. You’re supposed to slow down so that the chair can go round the bike. But where’s the fun in that ? Much more fun not to slow down at all. The front wheel has massive understeer, ie it slides sideways to the left, so you have to steer more to the right. And it has a safety mechanism built in because take it too fast and the bike does try to go over the chair - the rear wheel lifts off the ground so there’s no drive.

It’s expensive though. The tyres wear rapidly if you do that, and if you have spoked wheels, the rear spokes are forever breaking.

Mostly, riders and pillions have a very exaggerated lean when turning left, or use the sidecar stays as a footrest so that they can transfer their weight.

It’s not difficult. It is different, but weird when you first ride one expecting to lean and/or counter steer - something that you do without thinking. It is natural. Sometimes you push on the left bar and the bike goes left. Sometimes you turn right slowly and you are pushing on the left bar. How does the bike know what to do? And if you are thinking about that as you approach a bend, I guarantee that you won’t get round it. That is what it feels like when you first ride a combination. Weird. But it doesn’t take long to have both skills.
 
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