“Serious Threat to Life” - Honda Pan European Review

ST1100Y said:
Well, the important clarification comes near the end at 06:30, but maybe he should have opened with that...
Click to expand...
Bloody right he should have.

I am really disappointed with RyanF9. Normally, his stuff is thoroughly researched and backed-up with solid data and analysis. He is one of the few bike-related YouTubers who actually understands the engineering issues on which he speaks.

....but this time, he muffed it pretty badly.
 
Yeah, I saw this video on a Facebook Group here in the UK. So what... those of us who own a Pan will be only too well aware of the reported 'weave' and that it only applies to the 1300. We are all riding old bikes and our covered mileages and experiences will way exceed anything that a road tester will cover. He is telling us nothing new and I'm curious as to who this video is aimed at?

I only own 1100s, I took a 1300 for a ride many years ago and just didn't like it, no actual specific reason, just didn't like it.
 
At a previous job, one of the managers had this sign in his office -

"When the horse is dead, get off. Beating it won't help!"

Such an old topic with verified data that has been beat to death and then he wallows all over the ground with it.
Must have been a slow day at the F9 office ... ;)
 
I enjoyed the Video, nice to see my home town,as well as a ST1100 . He is probably running out of material to video. What I don't like is the Ad , thought Fortnine was his Sponsor.
 
jfheath said:
According to one report, there was a tester who insisted that every single ST1300 that came off the production line had to be given his approval before it could be released for sale. He apparently tested every single machine. The report I read was written by the tester himself. A chap from the uk. I did have a link to it, but I wouldn’t know where to look now.
Click to expand...
The report that you are referring to was from an article in Canada Moto Guide that I had posted years ago. Below is a link to that article but it is no longer publicly available without creating an account, which I have no interest in doing.
ST1300 Pan Weave

The article was an interview with Dave Hancock, who was the head of product development for Honda Europe at the time that the ST1300/Pan European was launched. The weave was identified with the initial model year 2002 ST1300/Pan European. The gist of the article was that the weave was found to be caused by the clearances with the attachment points of the swing arm and/or the engine at that location- I can't really remember which. The Honda engineering department found that the corrective action was that each motorcycle had to be individually shimmed at this location as the clearance varied slightly on each motorcycle. According to Dave Hancock once the fix was proven no ST1300/Pan European ever left the factory until he had personally test ridden it and signed off on it being fit to be sold and that no ST1300/Pan European ever left the factory exhibiting the weave after that. This lasted until Honda changed the design and the problem was said to be eliminated.

Despite what Dave Hancock stated in the article the issue of the pan weave has persisted whether it is myth or reality. I personally suspect that many people who claim to have experienced the weave really have not and are misidentify whatever movement that they did feel as the weave because of what they have read/heard about it, kind of like confirmation bias. That is just my suspicion as I have never experienced the weave myself having ridden two ST1300's extensively, and because I have never experienced it I do not know what it feels like myself.
 
Mellow said:
Still haven't seen the video.. it's on my list, right after cutting off my big toe.
Click to expand...
That would make you a 'Nine Toe Joe Over A Video' - has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
Might be the basis for a good old country song ... ;)
 
Uncle Phil said:
That would make you a 'Nine Toe Joe Over A Video' - has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
Might be the basis for a good old country song ... ;)
Click to expand...
Are you channeling @Obo ???
I rather like it as an acronym for Joe too,... NTJOAV. Just tell me how to say it.
To me (as you and @Flexit have mentioned), it's a non-issue, as I'm well aware of the origins, discussions, "fixes or remedies", and the continual hysteria by some.
I'm one who can safely say it's never been a problem for me (2008 model) because I rarely ride that fast, and not for long if I do, and will likely never take it to the track.
Essentially, I'm saying the same as most others here, except to add I LOVE my 1300, always will, and never give this "issue" another thought, until someone brings it up again.
Next, do we want to talk about how running my 1300 Double Dark will kill me?
 
Andrew Shadow said:
The report that you are referring to was from an article in Canada Moto Guide that I had posted years ago. Below is a link to that article but it is no longer publicly available without creating an account, which I have no interest in doing.
ST1300 Pan Weave

The article was an interview with Dave Hancock, who was the head of product development for Honda Europe at the time that the ST1300/Pan European was launched. The weave was identified with the initial model year 2002 ST1300/Pan European. The gist of the article was that the weave was found to be caused by the clearances with the attachment points of the swing arm and/or the engine at that location- I can't really remember which. The Honda engineering department found that the corrective action was that each motorcycle had to be individually shimmed at this location as the clearance varied slightly on each motorcycle. According to Dave Hancock once the fix was proven no ST1300/Pan European ever left the factory until he had personally test ridden it and signed off on it being fit to be sold and that no ST1300/Pan European ever left the factory exhibiting the weave after that. This lasted until Honda changed the design and the problem was said to be eliminated.

Despite what Dave Hancock stated in the article the issue of the pan weave has persisted whether it is myth or reality. I personally suspect that many people who claim to have experienced the weave really have not and are misidentify whatever movement that they did feel as the weave because of what they have read/heard about it, kind of like confirmation bias. That is just my suspicion as I have never experienced the weave myself having ridden two ST1300's extensively, and because I have never experienced it I do not know what it feels like myself.
Click to expand...
Then you are discounting the data obtained by RIDE magazine with instrumented ST1300s? Their methodology seemed sound and they did publish it.
 
dduelin said:
Then you are discounting the data obtained by RIDE magazine with instrumented ST1300s? Their methodology seemed sound and they did publish it.
Click to expand...
No I am not discounting it, nor am I affirming it. For me to do either would be foolish as I have never seen this data or that article. I did not write that the weave did not exist or that it ceased to exist after Honda made changes. I wrote According to Dave Hancock. These were claims that were made by him in that article, not by me.
 
Last edited:
Uncle Phil said:
At a previous job, one of the managers had this sign in his office -

"When the horse is dead, get off. Beating it won't help!"

Such an old topic with verified data that has been beat to death and then he wallows all over the ground with it.
Must have been a slow day at the F9 office ... ;)
Click to expand...
There are lots of alternatives.
If you see that beating a dead horse is not achieving results you can always:
1. Buy a stronger whip.
2. Change riders.
3. Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
4. Appoint a committee to study the horse.
5. Arrange to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increase the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appoint a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Create a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Compare the state of dead horses in today's environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harness several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declare, "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Provide additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
22. Declare the Horse as parked
 
Slydynbye said:
There are lots of alternatives.
If you see that beating a dead horse is not achieving results you can always:
1. Buy a stronger whip.
2. Change riders.
3. Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
4. Appoint a committee to study the horse.
5. Arrange to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increase the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appoint a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Create a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Compare the state of dead horses in today's environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harness several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declare, "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Provide additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
22. Declare the Horse as parked
Click to expand...
One more -
23. Outsource the dead horse and riding it to overseas to cut costs. ;)
 
I thought he was trolling us as he sat next to an 1100 and pointed to a GL1200 to illustrate a point about the V4 engine. Then he talked about the weave while video keeps showing him riding the 1100. A real head scratcher.
 
irunamok said:
I thought he was trolling us as he sat next to an 1100 and pointed to a GL1200 to illustrate a point about the V4 engine. Then he talked about the weave while video keeps showing him riding the 1100. A real head scratcher.
Click to expand...
He may have been scratching other parts of his anatomy and that caused the issues ... ;)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom