I don't get it...

ST1100Y

ST1100Y

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... why such an otherworldly, impractical, unsuitable design... :unsure:

no payload abilities...
not suited for passengers...
obviously not suited for even the slightest rainfall...
individual taste and slaps vary, but I find it revolting...

If they really want "the big change", why don't they build something useful and make it look at least a little more appealing...

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Verge TS Pro – The All-Electric Motorcycle Without Compromise

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ST1100Y said:
... why such an otherworldly, impractical, unsuitable design... :unsure:

no payload abilities...
not suited for passengers...
obviously not suited for even the slightest rainfall...
individual taste and slaps vary, but I find it revolting...

If they really want "the big change", why don't they build something useful and make it look at least a little more appealing...
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Like you say, tastes very. I kinda like it.
@ST1100Y I'll give you no payload, no passengers, but why not suited for rainfall? How is this bike different from any other street fighter style regarding weather?

I view bikes like golf clubs (not that I golf but fits the analogy). You wouldn't go to play with just one club in the bag. I have multiple bikes for multiple reasons. This looks well suited for buzz around town or commute to work. Don't need storage or passenger comfort for that.

That said, I'll probably never buy an electric bike. I've tested them in the past and am left with: Meh.
No sound, no shifting, no passion, just boring. I'll spend the extra 8 cents per mile to hear the engine roar and to be involved (upshift, drop clutch, grab next gear as front wheel's about to land, rocket through shift-twist, shift-twist. Grab brakes, tap down, down, down, drop clutch again and roll-on through the corner. Etc.)

vs. electric: twist and go faster, reverse twist and go slower, twist more to go faster. Meh.

Later,
Kent Larson in Minnesota
 
I happen to remember when the STs design was way out there. And where is the STs roar, I hear the Jetsons
But just try to make me ride something else. O, wait, what are those 3 other bikes in the garage for?
Love them all !
 
DesmoRonin said:
Not really an e-bike fan (yet??), but I'd ride one. $45k for the Ultra is a big ask for sure, but the spec sheet claims it's quite fast, and theoretical range is actually quite respectable.
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$$$$$$$$ is the primary reason behind the reluctance to buy EV's, regardless of the number of wheels. The industry is still not waking up to that fact. As government support dwindles, so will those with nothing more practical to offer us.
Once the business becomes competitive and the government drops its salesman stance, we may see some viable EV's.
Just my opinions, take them for what they are worth.
 
ST1100Y said:
If they really want "the big change", why don't they build something useful and make it look at least a little more appealing...
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Exactly who is the sole arbiter of use and aesthetics. So you don't get it. You don't have to. It's not as though any one motorcycle has to please everybody. From a business standpoint it only has to please enough people to make its ROI enough to keep making it.

Sometime it's enough for someone to get on and just — ride. Not go shopping. Not go camping. Not cover vast distances. Not brave the elements to show they can. Just ride. Not everyone. Just someone. And that fine. Choice is good.

All this brouhaha reminds me of a Honda commercial I saw here a couple years back. I think it was for a CB1300. A guy gets up early one morning in maybe a desert area. He's wearing jeans and a jacket. No leathers maybe not even a full face helmet. I starts the bike and just — rides. No panniers - what was he thinking? No camping gear. Is he insane? No rain gear. Not even a wind screen ***** was he thinking? Just — ride? Who in their right mind would ever ride without purpose? Without errand? Without a bunch of riders? One of the best commercials Honda ever made.

If I'm not mistaken there are a tonne of other bikes that can't carry a passenger. That aren't suited for travel in inclement weather. That have no panniers or actual payload capacity. That doesn't bother me because I'm not the demographic for that machine.Yet they get a pass. Maybe because they ICEcycles and by default superior — just because.

I didn't ask for a GoldWing and was given a Zundapp 125 and told to like it. Or the other way 'round. I have free will and choice. So I'm ok with the Verge. In fact I'm digging it if only for the fact it has no beak. But there are other pluses for me.

Ultimately I'm the only one any bike needs to please. And if I'm happy with it anyone else can pound salt.
 
I'd say there's nothing about the Verge that makes it impractical at being a motorcycle. The significant factor of a motorcycle is its two-wheel tract. There was some contention not too long ago that a Can-Am and trikes "aren't motorcycles" because their third wheel doesn't fit the sensibilities of some riders. So by definition the Verge is and does what a motorcycle is and does. It makes no pretense at being anything other than what you see. It's fit for its purpose. Get on and just — ride.

Further as an eV it's where ICE vehicles were and one point in time. Coming into their own. No string of service stations. If you want to cover ground — get a horse. Eventually motor vehicles supplanted horses in almost every capacity. There there are those who choose to saddle up and just — ride. My choices may not be anybody else's. Or anybody else's. But I'm not about to assume that I can make a choice for anybody other than me.
 
Oldbikefixr said:
$$$$$$$$ is the primary reason behind the reluctance to buy EV's, regardless of the number of wheels. The industry is still not waking up to that fact. As government support dwindles, so will those with nothing more practical to offer us.
Once the business becomes competitive and the government drops its salesman stance, we may see some viable EV's.
Just my opinions, take them for what they are worth.
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It's been a huge barrier no doubt. Kia appears to be slowly getting there. My brother has an electric Niro as a company car. He commutes to with it and has a charging station at work. Also uses it on weekends when it suits. Says it's dramatically cut his vehicle costs but not everyone has a company car and "fuel" provided to them, granted it's a taxable benefit. At least up here it is but beats paying with after tax dollars for your own vehicle.
 
ST Gui said:
All this brouhaha reminds me of a Honda commercial I saw here a couple years back. I think it was for a CB1300. A guy gets up early one morning in maybe a desert area. He's wearing jeans and a jacket. No leathers maybe not even a full face helmet. I starts the bike and just — rides. No panniers - what was he thinking? No camping gear. Is he insane? No rain gear. Not even a wind screen ***** was he thinking? Just — ride? Who in their right mind would ever ride without purpose? Without errand? Without a bunch of riders? One of the best commercials Honda ever made.
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I don't remember the commercial, but if he got up in a desert area...did he just sleep on the ground with the scorpions and snakes? No camping gear. No rain gear. Oh...he slept in the trailer the support crew brought along. Now I understand. It was all made up without a shred of reality. Got it!

I read the article and agree totally with @ST1100Y. It's about as useless as ...well, some phrases come to mind, but I'm not sure Mellow would allow me to leave them here, so use your imaginations. :D :)

As for the comments about rain...the front fender has no use. On my NT700V, I only needed a small extension to keep rain, mud, stones, etc from hitting the front of the bike and radiator. This thing? It has no use...like the rest of the bike.

Eventually, people will realize that EV cars and bikes are all commodity items. One is the same as the other. There's no soul to an electric engine. No thrill to listen to it. If you want a comparison, just listen to the first minutes of the Bullitt chase scene...and then go listen to your electric toothbrush. Which one gives you a thrill? Which one do you turn the volume up to enjoy the more? (Hint: It ain't the toothbrush. ;) )

The marketing folks try to make it seem like this bike is phenomenal. It's not. The 0-60 mph (100 kph) figure is slower than my F900XR. The S1000XR has more horsepower and a higher top speed. And all for about half the price.

It's a toy. An expensive toy. Nothing more. And yes, it is our choice to buy a useless expensive toy ... or not.

Chris
 
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