I don't get it...

ST Gui said:
Like so many other motorcycles:

no payload abilities...
not suited for passengers...
obviously not suited for even the slightest rainfall...

All useless impractical unsuitable designs. And most 'importantly' and definitely pejoratively — toys.
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Yeah, but... ;)

Strap a set of bags on it, and you start changing that list. Hmm..."no payload abilities". My luggage expands to give me 134 liters. Side cases that expand to hold 38 liters each and a top box that expands in two stages to 58 liters. Plus a pillion seat to strap more onto. I can easily pick up a gallon of milk, loaf of bread and some eggs on the way home.

"not suited for passengers". But if you're traveling by yourself all the time...why go there in a vehicle built for five passengers? Besides, it's more fun on the bike.

"obviously not suited for even the slightest rainfall". I wish I'd known that years ago before I started riding all year long in Seattle. I wouldn't have done it for the past many years. I've heard it said that there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad gear. ;)

I wouldn't consider my Subaru Outback XT a "toy"...but that turbo is definitely fun and responsive. That car only gets about 5000 miles a year on it. On the other hand my XR got 23,000 miles on it in 14 months. It was and is my "daily driver". Just because it has bags on it, doesn't mean it isn't fun...what you buy a toy for. It simply means it has some practical use that lets you do more than you would if it was only used as a toy.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
I wouldn't consider my Subaru Outback XT a "toy".
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Nobody ever considers their toys "toys". They consider other people's toys "toys". It makes them feel better.

Daboo said:
Yeah, but...
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Don't tell me what I know. Address all that to the post I quoted. Apparently my sarcasm was too subtle. Quote the author and school him 'cause I'm way ahead of you. You're moving the goal posts.

Every point you think you're schooling me on was made by somebody else. Every point you make applies to the Verge though obviously the range is an issue for someone who wants to go cross country. That goes to fit for purpose.

The Verge is an expensive way to go. Haters will say "a fool and his money" to appear to posses some kind of expertise. The truth is — whatever the vehicle if it works for you that's all anybody really needs to know. But there will always be judgement from some erroneous sense of entitlement and ego.

Any given rider or driver may find any bike or vehicle useless or impractical — for a stated purpose which is often relevant only to that individual. Regardless of how useless or impractical any vehicle maybe for me why shouldn't I be happy that it's a good or great fit for someone else?

It's oft said "It doesn't matter what you ride — just ride". But it's oft just talk that's talked and not walk that's walked. Or ride that's rode.

The Verge is niche tech. That make it expensive. So what. Can't afford it don't buy it. Don't like it don't buy it. I don't know why it should trigger anybody. As trick as the bike is and as much utility can be gained by throwing on soft luggage etc if I really wanted one I might end up having to move to Canada.

That would make it very impractical — for me. For anyone else? That's not for me to judge.

;)
 
I have to say, I think it looks awesome; however, the photos in post 1 and 40 betrays two different "flaws" I'm not jaded, we're getting there but... photos 1 then 40,
1 - c'mon... you're only gonna have that reflected angle with a dull street light from the distance; any light from the solar system will have you answering that age old question; that you should never answer, does this [actual] outer perimeter make me look fat?
40 - always a good angle for a bike photo; here again awesome pic, but... couldn't you clean the inlet grille; you know, that whole perforated sheet that covers the right side of the ... battery, it looks like the intake of a garbage room exhaust fan at the holiday inn
Notwithstanding the performance and endurance specs, every 300 cc anything bike is still miles ahead
 
I like the proliferation of different ideas and forms that come out, doing things off the wall and in varying design we can do things unheard of before.
I cannot think of anything more depressing than us all riding the same cookie cutter bikes.
 
St-Gerard said:
I don't mind the looks, but I can buy a lot of Gas for my St for that price, which is still available most every where.
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Exactly. Fit for purpose. People buy eVs knowing that can't just blindly drive off and expect a charging station to be wherever they need it. Instead they map out a trip from station to station and by and large do ok. There are eV forums full of BTDT drivers and hints and kinks. That's not for me. I don't really want to plan anything. On my two rides to MT I didn't plan a thing. Every night my two riding buddies got out a paper atlas pouring over it like Lewis and Clark without Sacagawea. They enjoy it. Me I catch some TV then say wake me at first light.

But I do see the utility of many owners who have an L2 charger installed at home and keep eV travel more local. A couple people I know have access to charging stations at work. I was at hospital for some vaccinations and saw rows of charging parking spots. So fit for purpose wins the day.

It's not all electrons and roses for eVers though. Some thoughtless eVers park in charging stations and leave their cars parked long after they're fully charged.Then there's RAM 3500/F-Whatevers parked across lanes so the chargers can't be used. That's just the minor stuff. People suck.

Fit for purpose. Purpose is individual not universal. I know this. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
ST Gui said:
Some thoughtless eVers park in charging stations and leave their cars parked long after they're fully charged.
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The same was happening hear when they first rolled out the charging stations. Billing was by the amount of electricity consumed so it didn't matter how long you left your car plugged in. People were using them as privileged parking spots because they are usually located close to the buildings so they would just leave their car there and plugged in even though it was charged. I was told they smartened up and changed that and now they are charged by time so people don't abuse it anymore.
 
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Can't tell you how many times at a busy AM PM the guy sitting at the pumps on the phone or laptop after shopping inside and getting no gas. Seems to be getting into the habit stage. I think entitled people drive everything including bicycles and roller skates.
Funny story, Had a guy pull up next to me while I was getting gas in bike. Wanted to share the pump by pulling hose over front tire to his truck, smiled because he thought it was a cute idea. I did not think it was cute and informed him so in clear and concise terms
Andrew Shadow said:
The same was happening hear when they first rolled out the charging stations. Billing was buy the amount of electricity consumed so it didn't matter how long you left your car plugged in. People were using them as privileged parking spots because they are usually located close to the buildings so they would just leaving their car there even though it was charged. I was told they smartened up and changed that and now they are charged by time so people don't abuse it anymore.
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