Kenwood / Autocom AT-2 Confusion

KrazyKooter said:
Do you already have a radio? I don't know if these are available, but this is the one I have. I still haven't hooked it up, yet, but may within the next month or so.

https://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22281
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Krazy Kooter,

No I don't have a radio yet. I am not really sure what radio to get. I wanted to get the AT2 or TK-3200 to power from my Pro Avi. Autocom pulled them and the 1402 from their website. I found a pair of TK-3200U2's but I am not sure if they are programmable. They don't have a "P" in the model number so I am thinking they are programmable. I wanted to get a pair for a trip this summer. One for the ST and one for a cager.
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I have the software for the 3200 series radios and can program them, the pitfalls are many (I am a autocom dealer and I almost purchased the wrong radios online before.)
here are a few of the issues:
1. Any one who buys the 3200s can send them to me for programming I will only charge yu the return postage.

2. Be sure you get the correct radios and most of the time the supplier will program them for you.

3. Be careful purchasing tk3101s used or new, the power adapter is no longer available from autocom (102P), I am not sure about the 1402 power adapter for the 3200 series, Since Topgear is no longer the importer it is a question of whether they are out of some products and no longer replacing them or the products are no longer made, no one is quite sure about anything right now.

4. Do not try and power the 4 watt radios through the autocom, it will cook the unit.

5. Anyone who needs free programming give me a call 918-446-2245 Kieth

or tulsatruckcenter@sbcglobal.net
 
Thanks Keith!

I am trying to avoid the pitfalls you mentioned with the 3200. I have found a pair of TK-3200U2 which I think will work but I am not 100% sure. What type of radio do you use?

You mentioned Top Gear is no longer the importer for Autocom. Do you know who the new importer is?

I have an email into TopGear asking them is they still sell the 1402. I will call them tomorrow as well. If they do not sell the 1402 then I guess I am not really tied to the TK-3200 anymore. I guess I could go with anything even a TK-3202 (4 watt) since I will not be powering it from the Autocom. I thought I saw someone mention you can find DC power adapters for the radios so you can still power them from the bike and not have to worry about batteries. I'll have to do some research.

Bike to bike comms has become a little bit more involved that I thought. I am not very smart at all when it comes to radio's. Learning as I go. So if you have any advice please pass it on.

Thanks for your offering of free programming on the 3200's, I may take you up on that!
 
FYI, do not buy a aftermarket 12 volt power adapter, it will power the radio but since the power does not come through the autocom unit it will get into a ground loop and howlllll , We have the 1402 in stock and I will get you a source for the 3200s today. Kieth
 
Here is a link for the tk3200 programable radios:


http://www.ahernstore.com/ketk215uhfha.html

this was the best deal I could find but I would call them (they are closed today) and check to make sure they are compatable. i.e. refer to the old 3101 FRS/GMRS radios and its frequencies when talking with them to confirm the setup. If they say the radio comes with 50 available channels, tell them no thanks as this version is not programable nor the proper channels. The reason you want the FRS/GMRS channel availabilaty is to allow talking to anyone else. While the FRS channels are low on power all FRS radio frequencies are the same so you can talk to anyone else who has these radios or radios with frs/gmrs , There is no standardazation on the GMRS side of things although one can check the frequency charts of other radios and find comparable frequencies but they are not the same channels. i.e. Kenwood channel 15 on the 3101/3200 is 464.7250----On a Motorola 9500 the same frequency is on channel 22, this holds true for a rhino frs/gmrs. so do your homework before purchasing.
 
In case it didn't get posted earlier, this page has a cross-reference for different manufacturers' channel numbering schemes.

GMRS was moved from Part 90 (Private Land Mobile Radio Services) to Part 95 (Personal Radio Services) of the FCC rules in the late 1990s. The 3101 and friends are grandfathered in for GMRS; newer radios are not and have to be limited to part 90 frequencies as a way to keep them off the public service bands.

--Mark
 
Thanks for the info Kieth!

I bought two TK-3200LU15P's from Victor at e-radio in Madison, WI this afternoon. Before I bought them I mentioned I was concerned that this model may not be programmable. Back earlier this year MLRickards bought the same radio and couldn't program it. Before I bought the radios Victor at e-radio programmed the Autocom AT2 FRS/GMRS frequencies and had no problems. Evidently there is an LMR version out there with the same model number that is programmable.

On Channel 15 I had him program it to 462.6375 Quiet Talk setting 25, frequency 156.7. I believe that is a standard STOC channel????

Thanks for the Frequency conversion chart Blrfl!

Now I just have to work on the PTT switch.
 
Bandit-One said:
On Channel 15 I had him program it to 462.6375 Quiet Talk setting 25, frequency 156.7. I believe that is a standard STOC channel????
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I selected that to fill a spare channel in my radios and it's sorta stuck. (Which I guess is about as close to "standard" as you get around here.)

--Mark
 
Well, I'm glad my pain has helped others! Of course, reading this thread will probably send me back to anger management class over Buy.com listing radios that are not interchangeable on their website!! :mad:

I still have the non-programmable version if anyone has an interest. Will sell it for a nice price. Or, does anyone know of any charitable type organizations who might be able to make use of that particular radio? At this point, I'd rather donate it to a worthy group than have it sit collecting dust in the closet.
 
MLRickards said:
Well, I'm glad my pain has helped others! Of course, reading this thread will probably send me back to anger management class over Buy.com listing radios that are not interchangeable on their website!! :mad:

I still have the non-programmable version if anyone has an interest. Will sell it for a nice price. Or, does anyone know of any charitable type organizations who might be able to make use of that particular radio? At this point, I'd rather donate it to a worthy group than have it sit collecting dust in the closet.
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MLRickar,

This thread has been has been a great resource!

If I hadn't come across it I probably would have gotten non programmables.

Thanks to all who have added to this thread especially you MLRickar!
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amnesia said:
Does anyone have the software and cable to program a 3200L? If so I'd really like to hear from you!
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Yes I got the software and cable and offer forum members free programming of these radios. :run1: You just need to pay for shipping.
BTW Mine were sold as TK-3200LU15P and have the sticker ProTalk. The box was labeled TK-3200L and had a white sticker L-1093. The software read it as TK-3200L LMR (UHF). I paid $159 on eBay which is a great price compared to an AT2 of almost $300! Just make sure that it is a unit which cannot be programmed by the keys.
 
I just bought a Kenwood TK3200L on Ebay from a Motorcycle shop that was closing them out. It included the battery eliminator kit, etc. He advertised it as a Autocom model. He included the " Programmed exclusively for Autocom" sheet with the channels and frequencies. My question is when I try to talk to one of my regular FRS radios, I can not, I get garbled voice like the channel is slightly off. I'm trying in one of the lower channels, 3 or 4. I thought they were the same.
Any help will be appreciated.
Bob
 
If the chart of frequencies has a quiet tone and scrambler code next to the frequency then it will have to have the codes removed. Send it to me and I will fix it for you. Kieth 918-446-2245

ps be careful, the old 1402 power adaptor can only be used on the pre 2009 autocom units. The older super pro avi, pro 7 sport, had a power transformer built into the autocom unit. The newer Logic and super pro automatic have the transformer built into the battery that goes on the radio.
The radio requires 9 volts not 12 . Kieth 918-446-2245
 
Clarification:


Pre 2009 systems: Super Pro AVI, Pro 7 Sport, transformers were built into the autocom and 9 volts was provided via the gray 5 pin cord. When plugged into a 101P (old 3101 battery replacement) and the 1402 autocom 3200 series radio power system.

This power system was limited to a 2 watt radio...........the 4 watt 3200 would burn out the Autocom.


2009 Systems: Logic, Super pro Automatic, and Logic Wireless can power the newer 4 watt Kenwood radio. The transformer is built into the battery case and not the autocom unit. It has more capacity.......and can handle and disapate the heat that the old transformers could not. The only version of the 4 watt radio is the correct one, it can be programmed on the computer (new software) I think the latest version is the 3330 and in the UHF version one gets 16 channels and you can provide the chart and quiet tones that you want. Good Luck Kieth
 
STOC# 889 said:
My question is when I try to talk to one of my regular FRS radios, I can not, I get garbled voice like the channel is slightly off.
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What's probably happening is your 3200 is set up to use a wider channel bandwidth (10 kHz) than your FRS radios (5 kHz). When you listen to a wide radio with a narrow one, it will sound distorted, and if you listen to a narrow radio with a wide one, the audio will sound soft. (Why is explained in post #6 of this thread.) If your 3200 can hear your FRS radios but the audio is soft, the channel deviations are mismatched. If it's still garbled, the scrambler is on.

I believe the 3200 can be programmed for narrow if you want it that way. GMRS existed first and uses wide channels; FRS came along later and was supposed to be shoehorned in between the GMRS channels and used narrow channels to avoid interference. Somebody got the bright idea that the two could share some of the existing GMRS channels but didn't really think out the channel bandwidth issue. :doh1:

You can see if your radios' channel layouts match up by looking at this chart. If what you got from Autocom doesn't match one of the existing layouts, PM me with the channel numbers and frequencies and I'll add them to the table.

--Mark
 
The frequency chart that came with the radio says the quiet talk settings are off. The channels 1-7 match up with the two way reference material sheet from your link. I can only assume the radio was programmed according to the chart that came with it. A buddy a work has a programmable radio, we will check the frequencies. But I do not think we'll be able to check the wide or narrow.
I'm connecting to a Super Pro AVI.
Thanks for your help.
Bob
 
The software I have can make that change, but it usually does not make much difference, I can usually send or recieve to another radio one in wide and one in narrow and we can still talk.....???
 
Usually the audio levels are pretty low, so the wide radio doesn't deviate beyond what the narrow one can deal with. (Or the AT-2 may be programmed narrow.)

If the audio's strong and garbled, it's probably scrambled.

--Mark
 
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