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Does that mean we can bring back the Kawasaki Mach III? :D

JetRanger said:
will increase the cost of food for people
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Impossible I say! I was told that food prices (at least at the supermarket) would be reduced drastically. Still waiting.

I was hoping 'renewable' meant this would be some kind of organic fuel that reproduced in the tank over night. I guess not.
 
interesting concept, but as I'm reading it the only thing I can think of is how much of this fuel can actually be produced from "renewable feedstocks". Then the article mentioned that at the very end. But, I'm in favor of anything that's renewable, even in incremental amounts, if its technically and economically practical.
 
JetRanger said:
It's called alcohol and will increase the cost of food for people and farm animals.
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We already have that situation due to the mandatory addition of ethanol (E5, E10, soon E20...), mainly produced from palm oil, corn, soybean oil, rapeseed oil, wheat, triticale (as well as minor amounts from vegetable waste, wood, straw; but inefficient hence subsidized...)
And since (of course) farmers look to get the most buck per acre (while suffering under the knuckle and gagging contracts from the grocery chains), do we suddenly have to import expensive wheat to keep baking bread...
And it seems likely that the emissions caused by the import transportation + productions for the ethanol (like deforestation to maintain oil palm plantations/monocultures in Indonesia and Malaysia and ship the mesocarp over here on crude oil freighters) outweighs the alleged reductions of CO² emissions by that E5/10 crap...
Not to mention the extinction of rainforest wildlife and the impact on the native population... :cautious:
 
ST1100Y said:
We already have that situation due to the mandatory addition of ethanol (E5, E10, soon E20...)
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Don't forget that the addition of ethanol reduces mileage (specific energy of ethanol is approx. 60% of gasolione) so the added cost reduces efficiency.

Specific Energy and Energy Density of Fuels | Neutrium

Specific energy and energy density are useful measures of the energy that will be released from a given weight or volume of fuel when it is burned. This article provides a quick reference for common values of specific energy and energy density.
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Color me skeptical. The whole greenhouse gas emissions and climate scares have been shown to be "much ado about" nothing. The only thing they've done is to bankrupt Europe.

We used to think oil came from dinosaurs. But we don't seem to be running out of oil.

Somebody is hoping to make buku bucks out of this and I'll bet it isn't going to be any of us.
 
JetRanger said:
Don't forget that the addition of ethanol reduces mileage (specific energy of ethanol is approx. 60% of gasolione) so the added cost reduces efficiency.
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I'm sure that's been mentioned here before. I know that ethanol reduces milage and promotes rusting. I didn't know of the 60% figure. That's a huge penalty. Like tariffs I'm sure refineries will reduce the cost of this new fuel so the consumer doesn't feel the pain.
 
ST Gui said:
I was hoping 'renewable' meant this would be some kind of organic fuel that reproduced in the tank over night. I guess not.
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Still far from this...

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Daboo said:
Color me skeptical. The whole greenhouse gas emissions and climate scares have been shown to be "much ado about" nothing. The only thing they've done is to bankrupt Europe.

We used to think oil came from dinosaurs. But we don't seem to be running out of oil.

Somebody is hoping to make buku bucks out of this and I'll bet it isn't going to be any of us.
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We're constantly finding new sources of oil and ways to extract it (like fracking), but it's still a non-renewable resource which means we can run out. And nobody paying attention to the source of oil ever really believed that dinosaurs were the source. Calling oil a "fossil fuel" is very misleading.

Along with climate change, this is very easy to look up.
 
Daboo said:
Color me skeptical. The whole greenhouse gas emissions and climate scares have been shown to be "much ado about" nothing. The only thing they've done is to bankrupt Europe.

We used to think oil came from dinosaurs. But we don't seem to be running out of oil.
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I am old enough to remember pre catalytic converter days, we travelled to Caribbean in the early 1990s and the air quality on busy streets was noticeable from at home. I also remember the smog warnings on the radio in the 1970s so I am a believer that legislation made a huge difference in air and water quality. Nixon might not have been the the best but his introduction of the EPA was a good thing for all of us.
I don’t think any knowledgeable sources claimed that oil came just from dinosaurs but rather all organic matter from that period. There definitely is a finite amount of oil and if used at an ever increasing pace it won’t be around in an easily accessible form for long.
 
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