“Serious Threat to Life” - Honda Pan European Review

Many of us have ridden the ST at 130mph+ for extended periods of time with no drama. Many factors at play. I am nearing 450,000 kms on 2 '04 ST's and have never encountered the issue and have had both at 130+ mph for miles on end for a fairly long time (gotta love Montana interstates!!)
Didn't Honda do something with the swingarm pivot bearing to address this?
 
Uncle Phil said:
I've always felt that it had something to do with the position of the windshield and creating aerodynamic lift.
To me it felt like trying to drive an old pickup truck with too much weight in the back and the front got 'light'.
When I dropped the windshield all the way down I did not encounter the problem regardless of top speed.
The nice thing about that section of the Autobahn I was on I could triple digit as long as I liked without fear of a ticket!
And I would still often be passed .... ;)
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It wasn’t just the windscreen adjustment because I explored that and luggage and suspension preload and tire choice and pressures trying to zero my 2005 in remove or minimize the onset. I was under 5’ 7” while riding my 05 and I always had the windscreen all the way down or at most up about an inch and a half. It is a complicated issue. Perhaps not all 1300s did it. I think that the combination of aerodynamics around the blunt front fairing and somewhat flexible aluminum frame set the stage for an oscillation feeding the weave. RIDE found something like 4 to 7° of yaw and roll measured at the luggage rack. It definitely isn’t something that starts in the forks going back-and-forth. I’m a light rider never weighing more than 165 pounds geared up and besides running max rear shock preload and the correct fork spring preload (for my weight) the factor that did the most to minimize it was replacing the OEM caged ball bearings in the head stock with tapered roller bearings. Of course by that time my bike had 96,000 miles on it and I don’t know if it was just learning the correct suspension settings by then or the steering bearing preload or both that “fixed” the weave.
 
dduelin said:
It wasn’t just the windscreen adjustment because I explored that and luggage and suspension preload and tire choice and pressures trying to zero my 2005 in remove or minimize the onset. I was under 5’ 7” while riding my 05 and I always had the windscreen all the way down or at most up about an inch and a half. It is a complicated issue. Perhaps not all 1300s did it. I think that the combination of aerodynamics around the blunt front fairing and somewhat flexible aluminum frame set the stage for an oscillation feeding the weave. RIDE found something like 4 to 7° of yaw and roll measured at the luggage rack. It definitely isn’t something that starts in the forks going back-and-forth. I’m a light rider never weighing more than 165 pounds geared up and besides running max rear shock preload and the correct fork spring preload (for my weight) the factor that did the most to minimize it was replacing the OEM caged ball bearings in the head stock with tapered roller bearings. Of course by that time my bike had 96,000 miles on it and I don’t know if it was just learning the correct suspension settings by then or the steering bearing preload or both that “fixed” the weave.
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The one I was on was headed for 'police service' before the ruckus started.
There were lots of factors I'm sure, I'm just explaining what my experience was.
Some had the issue, obviously some didn't - but if it occurred, you sure knew it and you knew it was not your imagination! ;)
The thing that bothered me the most about the video was how he tried to tie the ST1100 to it which was a bit of deceiving journalism.
To me it's like comparing the old C10 Concours to the C15 Concours - two different bikes designed by different groups of engineers.
 
I really like Ryan F9. There are many things to learn from his free videos. They're not all gems, but I can usually glean something useful from most of them.

This was one of my least favorite videos, especially because it confused the ST100 with the ST1300, but "pan weave" was real even if it was dramatized here. We live in a world of click bait. These are far from the the worst examples. I will keep watching his fun (and mostly informative) videos while using my best critical thinking skills to ignore the fluff.
 
It was 50-60F here in NC today, so I took my new-to-me 2006 ST1300 nabs on its first road trip from home base in central NC to its new garage in WNC near Maggie Valley, about 250 miles. After I brought it home I had the local dealer do a 16k service & install new Dunlops. The bike came with a Givi 400 liter top case, so that was on. I think it’s actually 40-liter but the turbulence it caused at I-40 speeds (+) was a bit uncomfortable at times. I wondered if the rear wheel was loose. The Givi will be off unless absolutely necessary. Aside from Asheville & construction traffic, a pretty good ride. I was wondering why Honda discontinued the ST. It was a little too easy to go a little too fast. Is that bad? Can’t wait to get into Smoky Mountain twisties.
 
I think I watched a different version of this episode. He was rather complementary to the 1100 pointing out the differences between the 1100 and 1300, the geometry of the two, the differences in handling…I thought he was impressed with the timing belt and the power the 1100 had. Unfortunately pulled up the one article one pulls up on every google search for a 1300… it would have been better if he debunked it, that would have made it a better video. However here we are…..
I wish the owner of the 1100 had replaced the right bulb of the headlight before filming it, other than that looked like a nice 99-02 ABSII.
;)
 
Yeah, I watched this PoS this evening and was disappointed.

RyanF9 is normally an excellent source of good information, insightful analysis, and rigorous engineering input (he actually has degrees in physics and philosophy) - but this was a smarmy, non-factual mess, and the mixing of the ST1100 and the ST1300 was very clumsy and totally unfair to both bikes.

The two motorcycles are entirely different except for a superficial physical resemblance, and both have their merits and demerits - but the "Pan-weave" issue is entirely an ST1300 problem.

....very disappointing......
 
kiltman said:
I think I watched a different version of this episode. He was rather complementary to the 1100 pointing out the differences between the 1100 and 1300, the geometry of the two, the differences in handling…I thought he was impressed with the timing belt and the power the 1100 had. Unfortunately pulled up the one article one pulls up on every google search for a 1300… it would have been better if he debunked it, that would have made it a better video. However here we are…..
I wish the owner of the 1100 had replaced the right bulb of the headlight before filming it, other than that looked like a nice 99-02 ABSII.
;)
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I didn't watch the video as I don't care for most of his videos.

As for the headlight, different countries have different rules about headlights. Was it "stock" internet video from who knows where or did he video it?
 
Except for the beginning of the video where he displays the ST1100 while talking about the weave issue occuring with the "second" generation of the bike, I think on first view, it's a pretty good endorsement of the ST1100. He should have displayed the ST1300 when referencing the weave issue. They're only second generation in model prefix; they're two different bikes standpoint of frame [well, maybe part of half of a frame... no?],engine, rake and wheelbase.
But, as marketing goes; got a new product? Want to sell as many as possible? How about a 1974 Ford midsize, I know... we'll call it... a Pinto II ! Naw, that won't work....
 
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