A Spyder Story : Anyone got a cat ...... ?

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.... ' cos my garage has now got enough room to swing one.

For the first time since September 1999, my garage does not have an ST. A few days ago I didn't mind about it finally moving on, but today reveals a different hidden emotion.
It has been the home for my first ST1100T (2nd hand, my milage: 31,551 miles); ST1100AY (50,757 miles); ST1300 A6 ( 69,183 miles); ST1300A-9 75,0065 miles).

Garages in the UK don't really deserve the term. It is just about possible to drive a car into one without scratching the paint off - providing you haven't added a layer of wax, and assuming that you can get out by the back window, 'cos the doors will not open wide enough for a 6'4" giant like me. For 18 months I had the ST1100AY and ST1300A6 at the same time. The two ST's were very cosy and it was a serious tessilation puzzle to fit them both in. But it has been a good workshop and for the last few years I've enjoyed the benefit of a motorcycle ramp which helps me to move around the bike much more easily to service it.

But life happens. Way back in July, putting the bike on the centre stand, my calf muscle snapped and that left me rather immobile. The bike sat on its side stand for three months, while I learned how to hobble. Slowly the calf has mended and I can walk almost normally, but it is taking a while for my brain to realise that the limp isn't necessary. I sorted out the blown fork seals which greeted me when I first ventured into the garage after three months of looking rather like an old man, and decided that I'd do the brake lines. HEL seemed to be the way to go, but unfortunately they do not fit the post 2007 models, or the ABS models. 2 weeks of trying to make them work and failing - I got my money back and HEL altered their website. So instead, I ordered replacement HONDA lines for the majority of flexible hoses. I also ordered the stuff to do a full winter engine service. But first the MOT. Fork seals done, old brake lines reinstalled. MOT passed without issues. But riding was a problem. I no longer had the strength in my upper leg to get my feet off the footrests quickly when coming to a stop. I can flat foot on both sides when stationary - and even stand off the saddle. But balance with my right calf was still dodgy. It's all improving day by day. But too late ......

When I retired many years ago, I sensibly found a mattress that could store enough money to buy us a new motorcycle when the time came. I'd been looking for a new model for a while but couldn't find anything that would tempt me away from from the Pan. That was the reason for spending money on the brake lines - maybe I would keep it.

A few weeks ago, a good riding friend posted a picture of his new steed. 8 years older than me, he struggled with the heavier pan, and he had been enthused by the NT1100 - but it wasn't the replacement for the pan - taller and less comfy for the pillion, so he changed again and posted a picture of his new-to-him Spyder.

So back at home we started talking about the possibility - would that do for us ? We didn't know, so we were invited to see our friend, his wife and Spyder. To sit on it, and talk about pillion cornering on a bike that doesn't lean. The friend's model we liked - but it didn't suit us - and it seemed to put a damper on the possibility. The seating position was tight, and I could not lift my foot up onto the brake pedal, with my heel on the footboard. The pillion seat was too wide for comfort. Basically, we didn't fit.

But we went an hour up the road to a CanAm dealer anyway, and drooled over the various models in stock. "We are just looking, we're not buying one today". We knew that - this was just a recce. One second hand one caught my attention immediately, Pristine, extremely low milage and considerably less £££ than brand new. I sat on it. Perfect. My partner sat on it and had a stupid grin on her face. So we paid the deposit. And went away with a list of things to do before completing the process....

Meanwhile, there is no room in the garage for it. Part exchange offered me £1500 for the ST1300. I thought it was worth at least 4K especially given the stuff that I have replaced to keep it going. I'd rather give it away to my brother. If I do that I'm only losing the £1500 part exchange value. If I part exchange it I will feel that I am losing £2500 from the £4000 in my head. So I am up on the deal !

So the last few days have been tidying up - doing as much of the remainder of the service that I could get done - which was limited because I hadn't yet got all of the parts. The bike ramp is no longer needed. I've got my value out of it and it owes me nothing, so I gave that to a friend who arrived very grateful clutching a bottle of Glenfarclas for me. But then yesterday, the parts arrived - the engine service kit and the Brake lines and too late to do anything with them. However, after dark I got the oil changed, but brother will have to do the air filter and the spark plugs. Brake lines will wait for another day. He'd already arranged insurance and I was picking him up this morning. I took him through the important bits how not to lose the top box or saddle bag. How to put the seat back on. Which were the HISS keys and which were the normal steel bladed keys. And he rode it away into the sunset - literally. Wearing a helmet and sitting astride it, the Pan sounds very different from when you watch someone else riding it away. It looked and it sounded beautiful.

A couple of days ago I was feeling upbeat about passing my well loved steed onto my brother as a Christmas Pressie. I was looking forward to getting my own new mode of transport. It will give us a good few years of touring. Tomorrow I'll feel exactly the same as I did a couple of days ago. But tonight the garage is empty and there is an unexpected feeling of sadness and loss. I think I'll go into the garage and enjoy the space - plenty of room to swing a cat.

For some reason our two 16 year old felines are nowhere to be seen !
 
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I would have guessed if anyone by now would be rolling his ST back over ... to lift... I wait til about June when my buddy Mike comes over ... to get it on the kickstand, well, nevermind. Every time I get a nibble on my VStar I withdraw the ad, I know I'm headed there and this would be a perfect bike for Dick Van Dyck We're all headed in that direction for sure, and could I ever find another? It's great that you worked with the aftermarket supplier a bit and who knows, maybe they re engineer their product. I'm still ripping around on the XL600 for the next couple of months which is only 345 wet, but it takes a bit more than the 700 lb Yamaha [edit] to keep upright; all of these bikes seem to be high cenre of gravity; next thing I look at is wheel base and they don't help me there either. Weight doesn't matter, I ain't picking it up if it drops anyway. I don't think you're a cruiser bike type but, the comfort, the low centre of gravity, the ease, the heel toe shifter zero effort required, and shaft drive! Couple draw backs; you have to order ahead of time the exhaust gaskets to replace the oil filter and two O Rings every six years for the carbs, I know you're not that technical and you don't like to get your hands dirty .... oh, it's gonna hurt 😫 In all seriousness, weebles wobble but... no trike for me
Here on the lower mainland, there's lots of guys I talked to with even the 650 I think it is version and most of these bikes that are being driven guys have kept them a long time they don't fetch worth a heck; nobody wants an old carbed bike; another thing I've also noticed is that these bikes seem to remain on the roads earlier and later in the season; I guess if you put a few more miles on an old air cooled carbed bike who cares; but I think it's more that they run well in cooler climates What is a wash I think is that the forks conceal the fork seals; mine are so far so good [15 years] but it's hard to get in there and clean anything [edit] and keep the rubber side down, don't know how I did that, must be an omen, the only bike I [or anyone] have never scratched

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Is the expression 'hardly enough room to swing a cat' just an english expression ? I suspect it has nothing to do with our feline friends, and more to do with the standard punishment for disobediance on board ship - the cat o'nine tails.

I seriously considered the Flexit, @Flexit - having grown up with a couple of bikes and sidecars in my younger days (as a kid with parents and as my own bikes before and during a very young family.)
But being a passenger in a sidecar takes some getting used to. And once we saw the Spyder again - our focus went in that direction.
 
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Mine's only half a chonk, at 14 lbs, with probably a 3-lb tail. It can hurt you when he gets it swishing. More swingable and can use two hands on that fat tail.

Haven't heard the phrase in a long time, took me some time reading to understand.
 

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I got a neighbor up the street that harbors two cats, much to the dismay of his immediate neighbor, I think he hates them, but he hate's his neighbor worse. I had two cats before I got married the first time; had to find homes for them since my wife was allergic to them. Do people still say that? I'm "allergic" to cats? I know I'm old now, but at least I'm just old, to be so dumb. Did manage to find good places for both of them
The first one I don't know where I got it, the second one, I used to fix freezers for a guy that was in his '70's and ran the Dickee Dee Ice Cream operation in Edmonton, which maybe is why I'm not a big fan of the Can Am two wheels in front tricycle... anyway, having peddled those things... So, the cat took a liking to me and he said, you should keep it. Well, it kept me, safe from harm I might add
There is no such thing as a responsible cat owner; you can train them, they're smart, but, they don't care; whatever's happening, well that's your problem... hmm... reminds me of someone I ... when they want to dig up the neighbor's petunias...
I had this guy investigating me while I was changing a zone valve in a suite a few months back; reminded me of a time long ago
 

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Only a 'guest cat' for two weeks, once a year... the critter of my GF's daughter #1... 🐈‍⬛
Totally cool feline, never any issues with the travel and relocation, just demands to get out the box the instant its set on the floor, steps out slowly, meows an "OK I'm here..." gets her pats, purrs and feels right at home...
'Lady Crapsalot' is a tad nocturnal though... like attempting to dig through to New Zealand in her litter-box in the middle of the night ;)... or visiting me in bed, purring loudly like a Detroit 60ies while poking her wet nose into my face to receive a few pets and rubs from me so she lays down and dozes off for some time...
And then of course there is the morning ritual of FEED ME!!!... and the smell of cat food on an empty stomach... nah, no coffee before I got my food... merciless... :laugh:

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Big day today. My Spyder RTL Limited arrived, looking brand new - although it is 4 years old, it has only 8000 miles on the clock. So I spent some time checking out the controls and reading stuff and then took it for a ride.

Nice isn’t the word. Definitely not. I knew that it would be very different, but I expected my years of riding a motorcycle and sidecar would stand me in good stead. Not the same, but I expected similar issues to which I expected to be able to adapt quickly.

But there is a lot to relearn. It feels as though it is going to tip over to the side; you feel every horizontal variation as the trike tips first one way, then the other.

It is nothing at all really, but I am super sensitive to it. I feel it in the car when I am a passenger, but not when I am driving. My drive is on a slope. Turning left out of the drive puts my right front wheel significantly lower than my left front wheel, so I am turning left and I feel as though the whole thing will tip to the right. Leaning off to the left helps a bit, or it would if I had thought of doing it earlier. But instead, my right leg automatically shoots out to stop my bike from toppling.

So I have learned behaviours which I now need to get rid of.

Eg the nearside camber disappears, which elevates the left wheel (Uk remember). That leans me to the centre of the road and I need to turn away. So what I need is to accelerate gently and force the steering to the left. What I do without thinking is what I would do on a solo bike and counter steer to the left. So I push the left bar - which of course makes me turn right, towards the centre of the road.

So I spend the rest of my hour ride gathering information- forcing myself not to lean at all (difficult to do); gently accelerating around the bend; trying not to tense up.
It will come, and is exactly the sort of thing I had to do with the sidecar - but it seems I have lost that skill. My arm and legs ache.

Lots of hard work to do, and then it will become fun.
 
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Popped out again this afternoon. Same 16 mile ride, same roundabouts.

This time, having slept on yesterday’s experience I was more able to analyse what the Spyder was doing and what I was doing to make it worse. It didn’t prevent me from doing it, but at least I was able to recognise and correct it earlier.

Mainly, the road surface changes so that the nearside (left front wheel) is lifted slightly. This makes the bike steer to the right - downhill - slightly, which I naturally correct by counter steering with a tad of pressure on the left bar. And that is where the error is, ‘cos that turns me to the right. The power steering on the Spyder is very responsive. Today I caught myself as I was about to do it and said ‘Steer it left, John’.

I also found that I was more sensitive to the left wheel lifting than the right, and could use the power to gradually accelerate around the clockwise roundabouts. Taking the left hand bend exit from the roundabout gave me more problems.

That has to be muscle memory or reflex from riding with a sidecar 40 years ago. Turning left had to be treated with kid gloves because it would lift the chair. Right hand curves could be taken at some speed - the weight was transferred to the chair and the worst that could happen was that the rear bike wheel lifted, reducing drive and correcting itself. Riding like that didn’t half get through rear tyres and spokes though.

So today I was actually riding slower, but it was definitely progress. At home I rode my right front wheel onto the higher slope of my drive as it exits ont the road. The bike lurched over to the left and it felt for all the world that it would topple. I put on the parking brake, stopped the engine and got off to take a good look. There was a fraction of lean on it, that’s all. It was nothing like what it felt like in the saddle.

So this is all mind games.

Except for the final climb up the gentle hill to our valley at the end of this afternoon’s stint. The adjacent valley had been cold and misty, and the road was damp. As I accelerated, quite gently, the rear started to wiggle about a bit. I guess that the wide rear tyre was losing grip.

But today was good progress - I can tell because yesterday my arms were aching from gripping too tight. Today I was forcing myself to relax my arms and no such aches and pains.

Someone wanted pictures. Let’s see what I can do.
 
One of my best friends, whom I taught to ride over 50 years ago, moved from two wheels to a Spyder RT a couple of years ago. After getting used to it all this time, including a couple of classes, he recently had a full alignment done. He says that the ride and handling are incredibly improved.
 
Making progress.

Some roads that I rode last time which un-nerved me because they raised the left front wheel slightly, are no longer an issue. Roads that have quite a camber which require me to ride on the wrong side - raising the left nearside front and lowering the right offside, are still a concern. But every time I go out, I see and feel an improvement.

Many years ago, I bought some training one to one with a class 1 police instructor who worked with st1100s, and who raced bikes as a hobby. We had a couple of excellent days together. This was my first motorcycle for 20 years and before that I’d ridden bike/sidecar combination. I was tentative about leaning very far fo corners.

He told me not to lean with the bike. Let it go over - so if you are turning left, you’ll feel this by your weight transferring to your right buttock. Your legs lean, but your head stays upright. And that is important, because your brain isn’t used to processing images that are coming in at an angle. So it keeps your eyes level.

Later you’ll be able to modify this, but for now ……

And that little trick worked. So I tried that on the Spyder for these little road undulations, and it worked again - except the bum cheeks were working in the opposite direction. Bike raises on the left, left bum cheeks takes the weight, right bum cheek lifts. It seems that if my bum stays level, all is well with the world.

Just need to conquer the off camber road surface, otherwise I’m going to have problems overtaking !
 
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